Discussion Impulsive suicides vs Planned suicides: Which is more successful?

[MimiMiku]

Impulsive vs Planned

Just wondering which tend to be more successful. I feel like both have their own reasons but I guess it is also down to each individual person.

I feel like impulsive suicides can be successful because when the person isn't thinking too hard they don't think about the pain or possible aftermath so they don't hesitate.

But I also feel like planned suicides are probably more successful as there has been thorough research + the person may have better resources to carry the plan out.
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[jeevasO-o]

I guess planned ones because you then do it carefully, to actually die and put time into it. Impulsive ones are more likely to live, since they more likely will do something easy and fast like overdosing with a few pills which most likely won't kill you. Just make you really sick and hospitalized

 

[MimiMiku]

I guess planned ones because you then do it carefully, to actually die and put time into it. Impulsive ones are more likely to live, since they more likely will do something easy and fast like overdosing with a few pills which most likely won't kill you. Just make you really sick and hospitalized

Yes I agree but if an impulsive person had the right resources in front of them do you think they would hesitate less than someone who's actively been planning I feel like a lot of people who advocate for suicide prevention tend to claim that more suicides are impulsive
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[Beholder]

I haven't done any research on but I think it depends on the availability of lethal methods.

Planned suicide has the adventage of carefully formulating the steps to succeed but frequently fails in the process because of SI or fear.
(Mine was botched because of SI. I was uninformed and really wanted to die so it was a shock for me to discover how strong SI can be).

Impulsive ones seem to bypass SI and fear even though they may not choose the best way.

So impulsive is definitely better if you have a shotgun lying around and planned is definitely better if you can't access definite death items.

 

[MimiMiku]

I haven't done any research on but I think it depends on the availability of lethal methods.

Planned suicide has the adventage of carefully formulating the steps to succeed but frequently fails in the process because of SI or fear.
(Mine was botched because of SI. I was uninformed and really wanted to die so it was a shock for me to discover how strong SI can be).

Impulsive ones seem to bypass SI and fear even though they may not choose the best way.

So impulsive is definitely better if you have a shotgun lying around and planned is definitely better if you can't access definite death items.

This is really well said :) Maybe the successful way to CTB is a mix of extensive planning and impulse:have the resources lying around and go ahead when you are at your lowest without thinking too hard…
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[jeevasO-o]

I'm sure planned ones are more likely. (No actually impulsive planned ones probably.)

Planned=
Positives: more research, likely putting time and afford into doing it right and being aware of side effects / aftermath
Negatives: more hesitation, more fear (but then it's likely they don't actually want to die yet or are unsure about it)
Impulsive=
Positives: no hesitation, direct and fast
Negatives: more likely to do something easy & quick like overdosing on OTC pills, which is more likely to just damage you instead killing you, more likely to end up with brain damage or something in a hospital due due not planning right, more regret and guilt after surviving too
Impuslive planned=
Positives: higher intent to die, direct but still with some planning, some research prob, thinking about consequences still
Negatives: idk tbh can be any of the other 2 ones
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Impulsive: You act in the moment with little or no forethought. Decision is made instantly from mostly an emotional reason without thinking or caring about consequences
Planned: You decide in advance what you're going to do, usually with thought, preparation and intention. Doing research, thinking about consequences etc.
Impulsive planned: The decision happens suddenly (impulsive) But planning occurs quickly afterward, sometimes within minutes or hours (planned)

Yes I agree but if an impulsive person had the right resources in front of them do you think they would hesitate less than someone who's actively been planning I feel like a lot of people who advocate for suicide prevention tend to claim that more suicides are impulsive
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That's true I think the more likely to work are impulsively planned ones

 

[dalemar]

Planning always helps.
I think every method requires a minimum of planning, however I think some require a lot of impulsiveness as well.
For instance, if you are only impulsive and want to do jumping, you might fail if you jump from 10m lol.
But if you are going to jump from 150m... you did the basic planning, some impulsiveness might help to succeed.
I guess jumping and guns are the ones in which impulsiveness might help overome SI.
On the other hands, for methods like SN, impulsiveness can be very negative, and cause high failure rates.
Of course you still need some impulse to overcome SI, but in this case would be only to swallow the drink real quick, and that's it, the rest is 99% planning.

 

[MimiMiku]

Planning always helps.
I think every method requires a minimum of planning, however I think some require a lot of impulsiveness as well.
For instance, if you are only impulsive and want to do jumping, you might fail if you jump from 10m lol.
But if you are going to jump from 150m... you did the basic planning, some impulsiveness might help to succeed.
I guess jumping and guns are the ones in which impulsiveness might help overome SI.
On the other hands, for methods like SN, impulsiveness can be very negative, and cause high failure rates.
Of course you still need some impulse to overcome SI, but in this case would be only to swallow the drink real quick, and that's it, the rest is 99% planning

I agree planning is very important but for some maybe too much research could make someone hesitate? Like they might find a viable method and then read about the pain level/symptoms or someone who used the same method and suffered horribly after being unsuccessful. This might make some people unconsciously hesitate. I guess this is where some impulsivity is needed to overcome the fear despite all the knowledge you know.
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[witchbimbo]

From experience of 2 attempts, both impulsively done with the method in mind prior, impulsively trying means being just as likely to experience impulsive regret and seeking help.

That said, I'm just one person and very driven by those I care about. Hearing from someone important after ODing is enough for me to spill and apologize. (My bf had to ask my address last time and I gave it to him out of guilt.) More planning for me would include me separating myself from my devices.

 

[MimiMiku]

From experience of 2 attempts, both impulsively done with the method in mind prior, impulsively trying means being just as likely to experience impulsive regret and seeking help.

That said, I'm just one person and very driven by those I care about. Hearing from someone important after ODing is enough for me to spill and apologize. (My bf had to ask my address last time and I gave it to him out of guilt.) More planning for me would include me separating myself from my devices.

I never considered that being impulsive could go both ways. Thank you for sharing your experience :) Our emotions seem to big obstacle. So many different things to consider.Just goes to show how difficult CTB is…
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[witchbimbo]

I never considered that being impulsive could go both ways. Thank you for sharing your experience :) Our emotions seem to big obstacle. So many different things to consider.Just goes to show how difficult CTB is…
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That's one reason I can't stand people calling it the easy way out. This forum wouldn't even exist if it were easy or simple!

I love your lil killer bunny/cat/friend that you sign off with btw, gives me a much-needed smile

 

[MimiMiku]

That's one reason I can't stand people calling it the easy way out. This forum wouldn't even exist if it were easy or simple!

I love your lil killer bunny/cat/friend that you sign off with btw, gives me a much-needed smile

I agree. I feel like the population in general would be a lot lower if it was the easy way out XD

Thank you! I found it on one of those copy and paste websites and I thought it was adorable. I also have no idea what animal it is but I don't mind what since I love all animals XD I'm glad it is able to give you even a small smile <3
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[dalemar]

I agree planning is very important but for some maybe too much research could make someone hesitate? Like they might find a viable method and then read about the pain level/symptoms or someone who used the same method and suffered horribly after being unsuccessful. This might make some people unconsciously hesitate. I guess this is where some impulsivity is needed to overcome the fear despite all the knowledge you know.
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I would say too much research without analyzing the information a little bit, can have a negative impact, for sure.
For example, if you take the SN method, vast majority of failiures occur because pleople call for help, they didn't follow a protocol, the were found and stuff like that.
So If you try everything you can to avoid those scenarios, chances of success are quite high. Same thing applies for other methods.
For example guns, yes, some people have survived those, but if you study which bullet you have to use, which gun, how to place it, etc, chances are very high.
In the end, you always need the impulse, but just impulse with no planning, no matter the method = fail is almost guaranteed.

 

[MimiMiku]

I would say too much research without analyzing the information a little bit, can have a negative impact, for sure.
For example, if you take the SN method, vast majority of failiures occur because pleople call for call, they didn't follow a protocol, the were found and stuff like that.
So If you try everything you can to avoid those scenarios, chances of success are quite high. Same thing applies for other methods.
For example guns, yes, some people have survived those, but if you study which bullet you have to use, which gun, how to place it, etc, chances are very high.
In the end, you always need the impulse, but just impulse with no planning, no matter the method = fail is almost guaranteed.

This makes a lot of sense. Ideally you need to be in a calm state of mind and the right head space even when your researching methods.
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[nikdiedtoday]

idk i think it depends on the method like i keep thinking one day while waiting for the train ill just jump in front impulsively and itll kill me before i realize fully what im doing and in my head that seems better and more effective then months of planning just to STILL have a chance of surviving (even if its slim) i think it would help with si at least and less hesitation therefore being maybe more deadly but if its like pills or something its better to plan i guess.
idk i think it depends on the method like i keep thinking one day while waiting for the train ill just jump in front impulsively and itll kill me before i realize fully what im doing and in my head that seems better and more effective then months of planning just to STILL have a chance of surviving (even if its slim) i think it would help with si at least and less hesitation therefore being maybe more deadly but if its like pills or something its better to plan i guess.

 

[MimiMiku]

idk i think it depends on the method like i keep thinking one day while waiting for the train ill just jump in front impulsively and itll kill me before i realize fully what im doing and in my head that seems better and more effective then months of planning just to STILL have a chance of surviving (even if its slim) i think it would help with si at least and less hesitation therefore being maybe more deadly but if its like pills or something its better to plan i guess.

Yes I feel like no amount of planning can help with SI and maybe it's best to not overthink.Method is important as you've mentioned I think people should consider their personal traits when deciding which way to go about CTB.
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