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Michelstaedter

Michelstaedter

Experienced
Feb 25, 2025
281
It will be a long text, perhaps not many people will read it, but those who do should know that I am with them in their pain, regardless of the circumstances. My guarantee is that one day I will die as proof of that support...

I've always been a loner, from elementary school through college. Perhaps being with one or a group of friends didn't soothe the loneliness inside me, and the fact that I'm writing this now, both physically and emotionally alone, proves that I've always been this way in some way, whether physically or emotionally. From a young age, I felt like what was happening to me was some kind of curse or something, especially regarding not having a girlfriend. I used to be a shy kid; I was always told that being too shy was a bad idea if I wanted to get a job or have "better" relationships, since people tend to shy away from introverts. So I thought the problem was me and my attitude. I changed with a lot of effort, I went to therapy, I took psychotropic drugs and I tried to make an effort to change, from raising my voice to ask for something, to speaking in front of the class, as well as talking to a girl, going on a date or confessing my feelings to a woman... But in this last one it was always in vain, because they rejected me, they gave me any excuse, justifiable, for why they didn't see me as a boyfriend and only saw me as "a friend", although it didn't even reach that, because it was a rhetorical word to say that they don't care about you and don't see you as anyone relevant in their lives.
Ten years ago, I began my NEET life. I left university, but I didn't graduate and was unable to practice my profession. For privacy reasons, I'll omit my profession, but it's closely related to mental health, so you can imagine what I mean. It was a contradiction in itself. I thought that studying it would help me get ahead in life, and why not? Help other people going through similar or difficult situations. After all, my goal wasn't just financial, but a way of redeeming myself for the mistakes I had made and didn't want to see others make. One of those mistakes was getting my hopes up about having a girlfriend. It got to the point where I became obsessed to the point where I started having dark thoughts, homicidal thoughts, and even thoughts of crimes that I can't describe here, and it's not worth it. In the end I managed to overcome all of that, because I realized that romantic relationships were a mere parody of what mercantilism represents: offering something in exchange for something else of more or less the same value. There's a writer named Esther Vilar (her name in Spanish, as I believe she's known as Margareta Katzen in the United States and Europe) who writes quite well about these topics and who, for 50 years now, has put into words what I'm referring to, and in a clearer way. She argues that marriage, children, and everything related to the family institution ultimately amounts to a mere commercial contract where a man has to work, strive, and give his entire life to create something that, at least in my case, makes me wonder if it's worth it, as it seems like a useless effort for something artificial and superficial. I've seen beautiful women with blue, gray, or green eyes, beautiful skin, large breasts, and round buttocks next to men who have to "pay" a great deal to have them by their side, both symbolically and literally, since there are porn actresses or escorts who do the "work" of sex in exchange for money. Consequently, I realized that my mindset of wanting to find something that was inherently useless, and knowing that this society more or less revolves around it, was like the myth of Sisyphus. For those who don't know it, it's a punishment the gods gave to a certain character, which consisted of carrying a giant boulder to the top of a mountain only to roll it back down and then return for it, eternally performing a pointless task that has no meaning for all eternity...
In the end, and it's clear to me that when I refer to being "dead while alive," it's not just a feeling, but a reality. At over 30 years old, still being a NEET, having little to no work experience, no professional qualifications, and no dreams, aspirations, or desire to live, it's like society turns its back on you beforehand. They see you as a loser, an idiot, a mentally retarded person, a social outcast who is good for nothing. The same goes for the topic of having a girlfriend. Most women won't look for a man with those characteristics. I put myself in their "comfortable high-heeled shoes" and realize that, yes, it's common sense not to look for a man who offers them nothing. That would be crazy, foolish, a waste of time, knowing that out there are hundreds of men willing to give anything to have their bodies, their caresses, their affection, and everything related to that mercantilism that people colloquially refer to as love, which is nothing more than a euphemism for a form of hidden prostitution that occurs in most relationships. Obviously, the exceptions are isolated cases, which of course doesn't mean that there aren't people who want to take a different path than the one the majority of the population chooses. A man like me, then, is dead in both spheres and therefore dead in general, because he will not leave offspring (and that is for the best) and sooner or later he will die, while suicide, hypocritically, is seen as an exit that only "losers and cowards" commit while "winners" continue consuming, continue living and continue playing in this infamy of life that makes no sense to continue participating in.

I have cried so much, I have suffered so much that I feel tired, waking up is very complicated and joys are a mere masturbation, because they are so ephemeral and generated by the fantasy that what is happening is really something worth living for.

I almost forgot, I wanted to include a bibliographic source about this author and one of her books in case you're interested:

 
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Cosmophobic

Cosmophobic

Recluse
Aug 10, 2025
265
Our situations are similar in many ways. Always having been a loner, neetdom, virginity etc

I also have 8 years on you. In your case is there any childhood trauma, however seemingly insignificant, that you think could have been a catalyst for your avoidant personality?

I was going to message you but you don't have it enabled. If you ever want to message me feel free.
 
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Michelstaedter

Michelstaedter

Experienced
Feb 25, 2025
281
Our situations are similar in many ways. Always having been a loner, neetdom, virginity etc

I also have 8 years on you. In your case is there any childhood trauma, however seemingly insignificant, that you think could have been a catalyst for your avoidant personality?

I was going to message you but you don't have it enabled. If you ever want to message me feel free.
Thank you for your response and for reading this. It touches me to find people like me, but their pain also saddens me.

I don't consider myself to have had childhood trauma, thankfully. I'm very sorry when I read about it here, and I don't know whether to feel miserable for suffering without having experienced anything truly horrible, or fortunate enough to say that my life isn't as bad as it seems. Ironically, though, suicidal thoughts sometimes take hold of me because then existence becomes an external enemy, not an individual entity that I see either as someone tragic or as someone who suffers manageable hardships.
Perhaps my avoidant personality in childhood stemmed from my introverted nature, overprotective parents (I was the youngest of my siblings), and a time when social dynamics were changing. Gone were the days when kids played in the neighborhood, while others played alone at home with their SNES, PlayStation, or other forms of entertainment. Regarding my current loneliness or avoidant personality, I can say it's the product of bad experiences, no longer expecting anything from anyone, and also the fear of not meeting expectations. With male friends, I'm afraid of reaching a point where they might think I'm gay, and I don't want to give that impression. Therefore, I limit my relationships to only one guy who has similar issues, is heterosexual, and we can talk about anything without fear of judgment. He's the only person I go out with, literally less than five times a year. As for women, forget it, I have no friends, nor suitors. In the women of my family I have noticed the pattern of behavior that sadly pains me and is fulfilled with respect to what I said about the author and what I have perceived in society of how they act in order to relate to other people (specifically with men) and well, that is my answer regarding the probable reasons for my avoidant personality as you refer.

Regarding the messages, I'll answer briefly, almost as a confession, that a few months ago there was someone from my country with whom I exchanged messages (I didn't know if it was a man or a woman). They stopped replying and apparently never came online again. I don't like to get my hopes up about friendships, or fantasize about a girl seeing me as a human being worthy of love, and I prefer not to exchange messages with anyone. I explained my reasons in the previous paragraph, and that's why I feel the need to completely shut myself off from writing to anyone, or receiving messages from anyone. Hope is a punishment for someone who's already dead inside, like me... Although, thank you for your offer.
 
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Cosmophobic

Cosmophobic

Recluse
Aug 10, 2025
265
Overprotective parents can be very damaging to the child's developing sense of agency. It might not count as a single traumatic event but it's still a way in which you were conditioned that was beyond your control. It might be hyperbole to call it truly horrible but it's perfectly fair to say it had an effect on you and you suffer hardships because of it.

The fear of not meeting expectations is no doubt universal but I understand what it's like to feel it pathalogically. As I said, our situations are very similar.

It's actually endearing how much worth you put into an exchange given how shallow and brief most online interactions are. I will say I always reply to people eventually even if it might take a while sometimes. I can be upfront and say I'm a straight man so there's no confusion. No worries about appearing gay either. Who actually cares. I have friends that think that way and it's exhausting.

Either way, take care of yourself.
 
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Liebestod

Liebestod

Suicide Enthusiast
Mar 15, 2025
247
I read through your entire post and although I'm not a NEET I also am an incel and wanted a girlfriend for the longest time. I know I'm much younger than you but it's weird how much I can relate to this. I too had really dark thoughts, homicidal and sexually violent thoughts to be specific that I can't mention on here as I'm sure I'll get banned. Against not just people i dislike but random people in general. I was thinking about it for the longest time and became obsessed with mass murderers because of it. I don't even have homicidal thoughts that much anymore but the hole is still there. I'm only 19 and plan on terminating myself immediately after I turn 20. I just started university but feel like dropping out. I for one can appreciate your interpretation of love as it is related to mercantilism. I believe women can only truly love a certain type of man but that's not the point I want to make with this reply. I want to say ironically not in a cringey normie way that I get it. I've been alone my entire life, and partially right now after graduation I've never been more isolated in my life, the only semblance of interaction I get is on this forum and the motions I have no choice to go through to make it seem to my parents that I'm fine and not psychotic again and that everything is fine when I plan on putting a bullet in my head in less than a year from now. I remember I was so into violence that I wrote stories and playwrights about events that I wanted to enact that again I can't mention for sake of being against tos. It's strange how this forum can connect like minded people whether for mental, physiological, or philosophical reasons all in the common interest of terminating ourselves for the better of ourselves. I don't know if you know about genetic determinism but if you don't I highly recommend you read up on it because it's the only thing that has given me clarity in this piece of shit world. I wish you a good day.
 
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Michelstaedter

Michelstaedter

Experienced
Feb 25, 2025
281
I don't know if it's because I'm easily moved at certain times of the day, but knowing that you read my posts and that your responses are so touching and sad when you talk about your suffering makes me think that behind all the crap in the world, there are still details that, however imperceptible they may seem, are wonderful. And the wonder lies in knowing that one day we will all belong to death, and death will belong to us, and that will be our shared final destiny, beyond having lived and experienced things that have led us to this forum.

I am deeply grateful for the time you dedicated to reading and writing to me, and I reciprocate with my best wishes, dear friends.
 
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vanillamilkshakes

Aspiring Corpse
Aug 26, 2024
516
Our worldviews are incredibly similar. I also see existence as an incoherent joke and can't understand how most people aren't aware of how cruel and pointless life so often is. I am too, sorry for all the misery that you've experienced, you deserve better than that.

You're incredibly coherent in your thoughts and points — really well put together. I'll definitely check out the source you referenced :)
 
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