I'm afraid of karma and that I will suffer beyond death or thatthat I will be incarnated into a new life of suffering

[LetMeGoPlease]

Does anyone feel the same. I feel so tortured. I just want to be annihilated, no suffering, no consequences, no responsibilities, just sweet non-existence.

 

[Pluto]

Yes I feel the same. If only it was as simple as killing the body.

 

[charlie_z]

Does anyone feel the same. I feel so tortured. I just want to be annihilated, no suffering, no consequences, no responsibilities, just sweet non-existence.

Absolutely. I was raised in a religious household and was taught that self-annihilation was the one Mortal sin that could not be forgiven. That such an act was deemed so foul and repugnant to God, that His punishment was especially severe. This admonition has stayed my hand in the past. The idea that I would have to endure profound suffering in the following existence seems unbearably cruel.

 

[motel rooms]

No. They tried to brainwash me into believing in "spiritual" bullshit as a child, but my brain is nice & dirty again.

 

[LetMeGoPlease]

Yes I feel the same. If only it was as simple as killing the body.

Right? I wish my soul would dissolve into nothingness.

The idea that I would have to endure profound suffering in the following existence seems unbearably cruel.

It's such torture. And people are happy that thinga like this keep us alive, because at least we're not killing ourselves. Like the pain is so hidden and unexplainable, I can't handle it. No one understands the pain of this level of stuckness. It's like burning in fire and not dying. :( :( :(

 

[Grav]

I don't buy karma but if it is such a thing I think I'm at least 51% on the good side. It would be kind of interesting if there was a whole floaty place and funky light beings. Probably just blackness.

 

[Onthe29th]

So, I looked it up and a lot of sources say that the only unforgivable sin is going against god. You can look it up too if you'd like. My parents told me suicide was a sin growing up too (though they didn't say it was unforgivable)

 

[Rain_Hermit]

Ironically,you will acheive salvation after all the suffering you are put through in this life.Even after someone puts you through hell and back you shouldn't retaliate,else you will be reborn onto the mortal realm again to suffer.You are born disabled,blind,deaf because of something you did in your past life.Almighty God will punish you for something you don't even remember and if you commit suicide to escape you will be left in this plane for the rest of eternity never attaining salvation.Sounds like tyranny,no?

 

[Eternal Oblivion]

Don't worry about it.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Evidence/arguments, guys. Let's just stop claiming magical stuff happens without backing it up.

 

[jimmy7754]

It's hard enough anyway

 

[Twiceler]

I think all religious people (or anyone who presume existancy of god/gods/spirits/ghosts/afterlife/magic, etc.) are immature for suicide imo. Same as if they were kids. This also works conversely, so maybe kids are not more foolish than a religious people to make decisions. But anyway, being a pro-suicide i can't blame them for doing that, cause ctb is always a right choice, there is only SI between you and the purpose. If i broke the rules, please don't ban my account, delete my post and i will never say something pro-suicidal ever again, i swear. That's my first post tho.

 

[Grav]

immature for suicide

Maybe I'm too tired but I'm not sure what you mean by that, please explain. Thanks.

 

[GentleJerk]

Some of my previous thoughts on suicide and the law of karma.

"Aside from the two well known references to suicide in the Buddhist Dharma, there are the self immolations. Over 150 Tibetan monks just since 2009.

The most well known is the Vietnamese monk who recited a prayer for Amitabah Buddha before setting himself on fire, as a protest against Catholic rule in 1963. The argument is that this was an act of self-sacrifice, death for the sake of others aimed at moving the hearts of the oppressors and calling attention to the suffering of the people.

This is interesting to consider for a chronically ill suicidal person, who has a tendency towards Buddhism or a belief in karma and reincarnation...

They might consider their condition is such that he/she cannot sufficiently gain merit and help others. They might believe that they are unable to move further along their path due to the diseases debilitating effects. They may wish to ctb either in order to relieve the burden of others out of compassion, or find their way to another existence were they can gain merit and begin to help others once again.

In this way it can be thought of as a self sacrifice for the greater good. I know some people just think its all bull, but for someone with a tendency towards these beliefs Its something worth considering..."

 

[deathLiberation]

/escapingprisonplanet

 

[Darkover]

never exist is definitely better than being alive on this earth, has for karma there is no such thing it's just down to random chance meaning you could be born anywhere in the universe or nothing forever.

/escapingprisonplanet
the ones that want out. obviously they will be freed.

 

[Snake of Eden]

I think all religious people (or anyone who presume existancy of god/gods/spirits/ghosts/afterlife/magic, etc.) are immature for suicide imo. Same as if they were kids. This also works conversely, so maybe kids are not more foolish than a religious people to make decisions. But anyway, being a pro-suicide i can't blame them for doing that, cause ctb is always a right choice, there is only SI between you and the purpose. If i broke the rules, please don't ban my account, delete my post and i will never say something pro-suicidal ever again, i swear. That's my first post tho.

The problem with being religious is that you cant be picky and choosy with what to believe in to some extent. There are basic foundations (tenets) that are convincing and alluring but once you eat that bite then you are required to believe in every other little nuance. People dont get to know all the nuances that are contradictory or unpalatable right off the bat when they are brought up in religious environment. They only learn the nice or reasonable simple things like god, angels, heaven for good people, hell for bad people. It is all good and dandy, it makes total sense to a child brain. But then you grow up and realize it is way more complicated than just that and you are already entangled in the basics that you cant simply dismiss the unpalatable nuances so easily. In my religion at least, islam, you either keep the baby with the bath water or you throw them both. There is not much room for picking and choosing. There can never be a reformist islam in that sense but again within the religous indivisuals there will either be a state of total submission or a state of conflicting. From my own experience there is hardly away out unless you manage to break free from that religious inclination which i didnt find possible for me after i tried and still trying

 

[FuneralCry]

No, I am only afraid of this life. This life has unlimited potential for suffering. There is no evidence of there being anything after death. The thought of death comforts me.

 

[waitingforrest]

I don't want to impede on you beliefs, but I just wanted to add this argument. I remember talking to a person and they were berating me for being immoral, but they weren't holier-than-thou either. I think it's the lack of self awareness. No one wants to believe they are bad and will be punished. So people do all sorts of mental gymnastics to cope. What I'm trying to say is, we are all fucked up. No one is more good than others, we all have our own skeletons in the closet. It doesn't really make sense that you can be the most benevolent person, but have karma just for ctb. Although, feel free to disagree.

 

[Twiceler]

Maybe I'm too tired but I'm not sure what you mean by that, please explain. Thanks.

If someone believes in god, he is not allowed to commit suicide, cause it's bad. But he can do it in the only one case - to show the God he's a "bad guy", or he's too bad as a human so he doesn't deserve a good treatment. Just like kids act to their parents/lovers/society, when they're under 18-16 (or even adults). But again, i am sure that everyone's reason to ctb is worthy, because it's a win anyway.

 

[Crazy4u]

karma if real works both ways. It means people who hurt you, abused you, and made you suffer will face concequences. It also means that people who supported you, helped you, and were kind to you will get something in return.

Don't be hard on yourself because everyone makes mistakes.

The reason I say if karma is real is that many people get away doing horrible things.

 

[Ta555]

Or we can just, you know, say this is all religious bullshit and brainwashing and try to move on with our lives in a rational way. I'm speaking as someone who was brought up religious and still struggles with this shit to an extent.
Loving God is like loving an abusive spouse or parent. Religion is fucking awful. Or as Seneca said: Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.

 

[charlie_z]

Right? I wish my soul would dissolve into nothingness.

It's such torture. And people are happy that thinga like this keep us alive, because at least we're not killing ourselves. Like the pain is so hidden and unexplainable, I can't handle it. No one understands the pain of this level of stuckness. It's like burning in fire and not dying. :( :( :(

LetMeGoPlease, I hear you echo a great deal of my own pain. "Stuckness. It's like burning in a fire and not dying." Very aptly put.

 

[Versailles]

No. They tried to brainwash me into believing in "spiritual" bullshit as a child, but my brain is nice & dirty again.

Let me guess, were you also a Jehovah's Witness or some strange Christian sect?

 

[Dragon's Heart]

No. They tried to brainwash me into believing in "spiritual" bullshit as a child, but my brain is nice & dirty again.

As it should be.

 

[gottago222]

/escapingprisonplanet

/escapingcommunistprisonplanet

 

[toforigivelife]

I understand your fears, a lot of suicidal people have these fears.

The thought that suicides are singled out for special punishment or sent back for do over are just scare tactics used by those who have never been burdened with a severe emotional or mental illness and who like to judge those who would like to end their lives or who have successfully ended their own lives.

I see obituaries written about people who died after "an extended illness" and I think, "Suicides are often a result of an extended illness of the mind and soul."

Why would someone who is in so much pain and so troubled be punished for ending their illness and their suffering?

People who have illnesses of the body and who make the decision to end their lives are not considered suicides and end their lives without fear of recrimination so you shouldn't fear recrimination either my friend.

 

[motel rooms]

Let me guess, were you also a Jehovah's Witness or some strange Christian sect?

 

[Ta555]

I understand your fears, a lot of suicidal people have these fears.

The thought that suicides are singled out for special punishment or sent back for do over are just scare tactics used by those who have never been burdened with a severe emotional or mental illness and who like to judge those who would like to end their lives or who have successfully ended their own lives.

I see obituaries written about people who died after "an extended illness" and I think, "Suicides are often a result of an extended illness of the mind and soul."

Why would someone who is in so much pain and so troubled be punished for ending their illness and their suffering?

People who have illnesses of the body and who make the decision to end their lives are not considered suicides and end their lives without fear of recrimination so you shouldn't fear recrimination either my friend.

Beautifully said. Thank you. And completely agree with that idea of feeling like suicide is singled out for negative consequences when it comes to ways to die. I think it's a religious hangover where we're taught our lives were 'given' to us by some higher power therefore we have no right to end it, only the giver can do that. Which is of course nonsense. No one gives you life. You're just a sperm and an egg that came together at a point in time by complete chance.

 

[idiotstillwantstodie]

Ah the wonders of the neurotic mind.

Karma doesnt exist.