Discussion If suicide became 100% accessible (no background checks and euthanasia you could just buy something like N OTC as long as you have ID)

[FutureHanger]

Do you think the percent of people CTBing due to depression or other suffering would reduce? I imagine the amount of people CTBing simply to avoid dying of old age would be a lot higher but the only draw back is criminals would be a lot less scared to commit crimes with serious punishments if they knew they could die at anytime if they're scared they'll be caught soon and I also think it'd be used by abusers to guilt trip their victims. Plus I feel like I and some other depressed people, especially younger depressed people like myself and people who haven't been depressed for that long, would be more likely to give life another try if we knew that if the worst comes to worst we could always CTB peacefully without too much worries of SI in a couple minutes

EDIT: I believe some of you didn't understand what I meant by "the percent of people CTBing due to depression or other suffering would reduce" I think some misunderstood that as meaning that the percent of depressed people/people suffering greatly who then go on to CTB would reduce, what I meant is that the percent of CTBs motivated by depression and other suffering would reduce as more CTBs would be due to things like the fear of old age

 

[mortuarymary]

Most definitely

 

[UKscotty]

No I don't think so. In this modern age people can get quick and painless methods literally same day from Amazon.

Just making methods accessible wouldn't change things much I feel.

Like if we has an honest survey here on the forum, I bet loads of people already have all they need to CTB but are not ready yet.

 

[Pluto00]

I don't think there's any way to know for sure what would happen.

People (especially ones with shit genetics) should just stop having kids in this disgusting world.

 

[FuneralCry]

No of course it wouldn't reduce, I bet most people would decide to ctb especially as existence is so incredibly meaningless and filled with endless potential for suffering. In fact wanting to die is all that feels rational to me as existence causes nothing but harm yet there are no disadvantages to not existing.

Allowing the option of such a peaceful death would be so incredibly compassionate and relieving, it'd prevent so much futile, unnecessary suffering if people could just peacefully ctb without having to struggle in finding a way to die themselves with the risk of trying to die going wrong. It's unacceptable how we cannot just have the option to easily die in peace.

 

[4g1vvvven]

Do you think the percent of people CTBing due to depression or other suffering would reduce?

I don't know why this would be the case, when afflicted with debilitating conditions that force us to languish with negative life quality, we're least capable.
Someone who is very weak and in a lot of pain would struggle with even simple methods, I don't believe it's easy.

I think it's obviously made hard, if there was an easy peaceful OTC method, I imagine mentally ill, physically unwell, and otherwise very distressed people (high debts for example) would surge.

 

[BlessedBeTheFlame]

It would cause suicide rates to rise, since it would eventually just be used to reduce costs by cutting helping measures. Canada has a pisspoor excuse for a healthcare system (especially compared to here in Germany) and MAID is imho largely an excuse to not provide proper care. If burgers consider your healthcare system to be inferior to theirs, you know you fucking suck. Ultimately, the ringleaders here are the state and companies and if they can use euthanasia to increase profits, they absolutely will. The same exact way, mental care would fizzle out, since suicide would just be seen as the more profitable alternative.

Euthanasia is a positive thing in a number of cases, but frankly, suggesting suicide as a universal measure is as short-sighted as simply removing every way by which one can die to reduce it. The solution to ending suffering is not by simply removing anyone, that suffers, but by removing the things that cause people suffering, i.e. war, poverty, bullying. I feel like people on this site forget that the same way not everyone wants to live through their suffering, not everyone suffering sees suicide as a perfect solution. The idea of universal access to euthanasia being allowed implies the existence of a state-structure allowing it and as such a structure, that is incentivised to increase profits by cutting healthcare measures. Ultimately, this would only increase suffering longterm. Humans will always reject ideas of true immortality (statistically this is obvious) and as such suicide will always exist in some capacity. In a perfect world, nembutal would be there for the grabbing, but no one would suffer enough to need it, unless they just say "Yeah, I've had enough after 1000 years, seeya guys.". There will never be a time, where suicide is simply erased entirely, but it's not a necessary evil, since most aren't necessary.

 

[FutureHanger]

It would cause suicide rates to rise, since it would eventually just be used to reduce costs by cutting helping measures. Canada has a pisspoor excuse for a healthcare system (especially compared to here in Germany) and MAID is imho largely an excuse to not provide proper care. If burgers consider your healthcare system to be inferior to theirs, you know you fucking suck. Ultimately, the ringleaders here are the state and companies and if they can use euthanasia to increase profits, they absolutely will. The same exact way, mental care would fizzle out, since suicide would just be seen as the more profitable alternative.

Most of the time it's more profitable to keep people alive but if someone can't work then yes this would be used to cut costs

Euthanasia is a positive thing in a number of cases, but frankly, suggesting suicide as a universal measure is as short-sighted as simply removing every way by which one can die to reduce it. The solution to ending suffering is not by simply removing anyone, that suffers, but by removing the things that cause people suffering, i.e. war, poverty, bullying.

Agreed, II firmly believe most suicides are preventable, just not in the way pro-lifers want to "prevent" suicides but by actually addressing the shit that drives people to suicide in the first place

I feel like people on this site forget that the same way not everyone wants to live through their suffering, not everyone suffering sees suicide as a perfect solution. The idea of universal access to euthanasia being allowed implies the existence of a state-structure allowing it and as such a structure, that is incentivised to increase profits by cutting healthcare measures. Ultimately, this would only increase suffering longterm. Humans will always reject ideas of true immortality (statistically this is obvious) and as such suicide will always exist in some capacity. In a perfect world, nembutal would be there for the grabbing, but no one would suffer enough to need it, unless they just say "Yeah, I've had enough after 1000 years, seeya guys.". There will never be a time, where suicide is simply erased entirely, but it's not a necessary evil, since most aren't necessary.

It is necessary as some people like FuneralCry who just absolutely hate existence will always exist and some people have brains wired to be depressed whilst others will have chronic illnesses that they'd rather die than have to live through for years on end, but overall you are right, suicide is the easier answer but the main priority should be to fight the systems that cause people to unnecessarily suffer to the point of seeking death.

 

[indignity]

This is a utopia. Murder is illegal because it deprives government of taxpayer money, same with suicide. It's not profitable for governments to abolish regulation of suicide, so it will never happen. Ultimately no one is within their right to stop or prevent someone from committing it, it's a violation of freedom. Particularly their right to die. The only reason why governments forcefully want to keep suicidal people alive is because they serve no purpose to them being dead. They can't be exploited, taxated, or contribute to the economy no more. If suicide was in fact deregulated, it would certainly increase suicide attempts and fatality rates, but it wouldn't be a drastic difference. It would do no harm to anyone except loss of potential profit for people whose interest is to force them to stay alive in order to parasitise from their existence.

 

[Valky]

Honestly, really not sure about that. I am sure that more people would kill themselves at that old age or when they generally get diagnosed with any terminal illness. For crime rates, don't believe so, many have the chance already to kill themselves if things go bad but they simply don't.

 

[The Schizoid]

I believe in assisted suicide/euthanasia, but I don't believe it should be easily accessible. Suicides can often be impulsive, and we don't need an over the counter suicide option.

 

[FutureHanger]

I believe in assisted suicide/euthanasia, but I don't believe it should be easily accessible. Suicides can often be impulsive, and we don't need an over the counter suicide option.

fair enough it's just a hypothetical

 

[indignity]

I believe in assisted suicide/euthanasia, but I don't believe it should be easily accessible. Suicides can often be impulsive, and we don't need an over the counter suicide option.

it should either be allowed to everybody or nobody. All or nothing. no criterias between.

 

[Hotsackage]

To all the capitalists and ableists out there, no one gets out alive, so show us some compassion and understanding. I can understand the wanting to ctb at will peacefully, it really isn't that simple I think. Maybe if we were shown support, and that human suffering is more imporant then capital gains, there would be progress.

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

in a ton of pain at the moment so can't really focus entirely. think i get the gist from the headline. that's the way things should be. will try to read commentary at a later date

 

[The Schizoid]

it should either be allowed to everybody or nobody. All or nothing. no criterias between.

No. This is wrong. We cannot have this black or white approach to it.

It's not WHO it's allowed to, it's when and in what circumstances. All people should have access to it, but we need to make sure that anyone who can CTB has made a decision that they've thought through.

Impulsive suicides are tragic, because sometimes these people are going through something extremely temporary.

 

[indignity]

No. This is wrong. We cannot have this black or white approach to it.

It's not WHO it's allowed to, it's when and in what circumstances. All people should have access to it, but we need to make sure that anyone who can CTB has made a decision that they've thought through.

Impulsive suicides are tragic, because sometimes these people are going through something extremely temporary.

Valid point, but it seems biased to me having to nitpick people based on why they want to die and what for. Anyone's desire to commit suicide, no matter how irrational, insignificant or temporary, should not be invalidated.

 

[FutureHanger]

Valid point, but it seems biased to me having to nitpick people based on why they want to die and what for. Anyone's desire to commit suicide, no matter how irrational, insignificant or temporary, should not be invalidated.

no it's not nitpicking based on reason but on how impulsive they're being, I agree and think one should wait at least a week before deciding dying is really what they want as it's easy to think that during a temporary surge of bad emotions