I believe there is. The unmanifest, pure bliss without any kind of pain and perverted minds. We are the observers inside a vehicle, the driver inside a car. This place though is a fallen state of manifasted heaven, a material one which was perfect but for some was not enough. The lust for more feelings, bodily that is brought it to this state. Delayed gratification, no pain no gain. Sounds familiar? No wonder we want to gtfo from here. May the ones who did this and enjoy it choke though, and they will, entrophy takes its toll. You cant eat the cake and have it too. Even then, its not a better cake, its shit cake, made of tears and torture of others, for the big delayed gratification gains. When we end up at home see you the good ppl who dont take this shit as smth good, drinks on me!