The only okay thing is to have dignity, suicide itself can help with that if it's warranted, I'm not sure how you're life is but some people shouldn't kill themselves, not because of what others think but because they don't have to, they have potential.
While I don't completely disagree with you- I think this may be more difficult to ascertain- who has the potential to turn their life around. Presumably, the person themself no longer sees that potential, otherwise- why would they be suicidal if they saw a realistic hope for a better life?
So- it will more likely be other people who point out what they should be doing to improve their lives. But- what if they don't have the energy for that? What if they try and fail- repeatedly?
I think the difficulty is- to turn things around requires both potential and vast amounts of effort. I think people sometimes have an obscurred optimism when they look at other people's lives. A kind of: 'grass is always greener on the other side of the fence' thing. My Dad once told me that 'the world was my oyster'. I could become an astronaut if I so wanted. Which is utterly ridiculous. I don't have the intelligence, youth or fitness for that. I didn't attend schools that were conducive to producing atronauts! Besides, I've never even wanted to become one! People tend to make wild claims when it comes to other people- I find.
They also don't quite know what a person is up against in terms of all the mental stuff going on and other issues. Even if they do succeed say- will it necessarily make them happy? Are all conditions curable?
That's not to say we shouldn't consider all our options. Or, that we shouldn't try. But, should we feel obligated to try everything before we decide to quit? Where does the right to choose come into it? Do we have that right?
The idea that some people 'shouldn't' commit suicide seems to suggest that it isn't ok for some. But then- who gets to make that decision? If the decision is made impulsively in hast- without considering other options- maybe that's one thing. But I wonder if anyone truly does that.
As in- settles straight on suicide without trying to work out how they might fix their problems. I tend to think it's more likely people move towards suicide when repeated efforts to change fail. When the 'reward' isn't worth the effort put in. When there seems no adequate solution. I wonder just how many make the decision in hast.
I tend to think along the lines of other members OP- is it your loved ones you want to hear this from or, anyone? I imagine most people here are pro- choice. So, by default, a lot of us likely feel we have the right to make the choice. As for family being ok with the choice, I think that's more rare.
Depressing really but, I get the sense that- even if a person has tried every treatment under the sun, a lot of families still won't concede that it might be better for them to die- to be free. Not sure whether it's still wishful thinking- that they will one day improve. Unawareness or reluctance to believe/ acknowledge just how badly they are suffering or, plain and simple- protecting themselves- from loss, grief and loneliness. Do your loved ones know how you feel and, for how long? If it has been long- term.
I wish you success and peace in whatever you choose to do too
