Discussion i hope heaven isn’t real

[allidoiswish]

Hi to whoever's reading this! so i've been religious my whole life, my whole family is religious too, but these past few years I've been thinking that if the heaven I've known really is real, i wouldn't really like it. so would it even really be heaven for me if so? i know this is kind of stupid but i always wished i'd be reincarnated and have a peaceful and happy life where i can be pretty, confident and etc… am i really religious if i think this? I do wish hell is real tho. i think id genuinely lose my mind if all the evil people on this earth didn't suffer after dying.

 

[scary]

It's not stupid to wish that, if reincarnation were real I think most people would want a better next life. I think you can still be religious even if you don't believe in every aspect of it, the core of Christianity is that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for our sins, but personally I don't think that automatically means you're required to believe in Heaven really.

I've thought about Heaven not really being 'Heaven' to me either. Unless all of my problems fade when I'm in it it wouldn't really be a 'Heaven' for me.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I have this feeling too. We weren't a deeply religious family but, I was raised to believe my dead family members went to heaven.

While it's cruel to say it- I have wondered whether they would keep all of their character quirks. In which case- would that mean- that after the initial hugs 'hello', would I then be met with a bunch of judgement and lectures over how I lived my life? But- without that- would they really be them?

How will they deal with the fact that my Dad would now have two wives? Two families effectively- my Mum died young. I doubt either would want to share him!

Plus, I'm just tired of knowing I exist. I really don't want that experience forever. That doesn't sound like heaven to me.

And- do we even get any choice in it? In which case- how can it be heaven- when there's no freedom to choose?

I also have major problems with a God who created this world. I'm hardly a fan! So- I kind of doubt I'd be admitted anyway. Many of my friends were atheists too. So- would that mean they weren't there either? And- if they denied those people but then let a bunch of paedophile, child molesting priests and other criminals in- I'd say there was already something very wrong with the system.

Plus- why wouldn't a heaven created by the same God as this earth be so different? Life here wasn't designed to be fair. Why would anyone assume that that would be different in an afterlife?

 

[allidoiswish]

I have this feeling too. We weren't a deeply religious family but, I was raised to believe my dead family members went to heaven.

While it's cruel to say it- I have wondered whether they would keep all of their character quirks. In which case- would that mean- that after the initial hugs 'hello', would I then be met with a bunch of judgement and lectures over how I lived my life? But- without that- would they really be them?

How will they deal with the fact that my Dad would now have two wives? Two families effectively- my Mum died young. I doubt either would want to share him!

Plus, I'm just tired of knowing I exist. I really don't want that experience forever. That doesn't sound like heaven to me.

And- do we even get any choice in it? In which case- how can it be heaven- when there's no freedom to choose?

I also have major problems with a God who created this world. I'm hardly a fan! So- I kind of doubt I'd be admitted anyway. Many of my friends were atheists too. So- would that mean they weren't there either? And- if they denied those people but then let a bunch of paedophile, child molesting priests and other criminals in- I'd say there was already something very wrong with the system.

Plus- why wouldn't a heaven created by the same God as this earth be so different? Life here wasn't designed to be fair. Why would anyone assume that that would be different in an afterlife?

I have this feeling too. We weren't a deeply religious family but, I was raised to believe my dead family members went to heaven.

While it's cruel to say it- I have wondered whether they would keep all of their character quirks. In which case- would that mean- that after the initial hugs 'hello', would I then be met with a bunch of judgement and lectures over how I lived my life? But- without that- would they really be them?

How will they deal with the fact that my Dad would now have two wives? Two families effectively- my Mum died young. I doubt either would want to share him!

Plus, I'm just tired of knowing I exist. I really don't want that experience forever. That doesn't sound like heaven to me.

And- do we even get any choice in it? In which case- how can it be heaven- when there's no freedom to choose?

I also have major problems with a God who created this world. I'm hardly a fan! So- I kind of doubt I'd be admitted anyway. Many of my friends were atheists too. So- would that mean they weren't there either? And- if they denied those people but then let a bunch of paedophile, child molesting priests and other criminals in- I'd say there was already something very wrong with the system.

Plus- why wouldn't a heaven created by the same God as this earth be so different? Life here wasn't designed to be fair. Why would anyone assume that that would be different in an afterlife?

I've actually been thinking a lot of the same things, and it's kind of unsettling how many questions come up once you really start pulling at it. The idea of heaven sounds comforting on the surface, but when you think about identity, relationships, fairness, and even whether you'd have any real choice or autonomy it gets complicated fast…. I've also wondered about whether people would really still be themselves without all their flaws, and if they aren't, then what does that even mean for seeing them again? And the whole fairness aspect, who gets in and who doesn't raises a lot of doubts for me too. It's strange because these beliefs are supposed to bring peace, but the more I think about them, the more questions I end up with rather than answers.. but it's weirdly comforting to know I'm not the only one thinking about all this!

It's not stupid to wish that, if reincarnation were real I think most people would want a better next life. I think you can still be religious even if you don't believe in every aspect of it, the core of Christianity is that Jesus is the son of God and that he died for our sins, but personally I don't think that automatically means you're required to believe in Heaven really.

I've thought about Heaven not really being 'Heaven' to me either. Unless all of my problems fade when I'm in it it wouldn't really be a 'Heaven' for me.

I get what you're saying, and I've been circling around a lot of the same thoughts too. Part of me understands holding onto the core of it without needing every detail to make perfect sense, but at the same time the details are kind of what make it hard for me to fully believe. like, if heaven is supposed to be this perfect place, I don't really know what that even means in a real, personal way,especially if it changes who we are or how we feel. And the idea that everything would just be okay there almost feels a bit disconnected from how complex life actually is. I guess I'm still trying to figure out where I stand with all of it, but it's nice knowing someone else is questioning it too.