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I'm feel very disappointed with life as well. The things I thought that would feel amazing I found out that feel only kinda good. But they aren't amazing enough and don't feel good enough for me to want to stick around here. There's only one thing that I truly want now, which is why I'm still sticking around, it's almost an impossible thing but I decided to give it one last chance and if a miracle doesn't happen before my deadline, ph well, there's no point in waiting anymore I'll just be wasting time being bored to death with life. Then on top of that I would feel pain for not living with the "thing" I want the most plus depression and I think bipolar disorder, plus ptsd and a bunch of other stuff. But honestly I feel like maybe I could deal with all those stuff if I felt like life could feel good enough like it could give me actual real pleasure and make me feel good and not just bore me. Because I get bored with almost all the things that other people find fascinating and love very much and sometimes even choose to live for those things only. It's just boring to me, I don't know, maybe we are feeling the same, maybe we are the same in some kind of way. In any case, I love you, hope you'll find whatever it is you are looking for! And I support you, whatever your decision is!❤
Alec, I'm so curious about that one thing you want!
people who cant find money to do stuff
This is me, LMFAO FOCKERS. I'm sad to think you'd be bored by me. But, I am bored by myself, too, so I don't blame you. The limits of poverty are effing boring. :(
 
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LMFAO FOCKERS. I'm sad to think you'd be bored by me.


Not true. I definitely dont look down upon anyone. I probably didn't phrase that well enough to be meaningful in a universal context.

If you dont have the means then you dont have it. I dont see the person as less than or boring. That's just life. I value good, wise and hard working people and the like. For example, if you were a struggling teacher then its expected you will not have extravagant means. It would just be nice to see simple things reciprocated especially if we are good friends. I'm the type that would share / spend my last dollar on a friend. I'm happy to pay for dinners or drinks as long as I'm not being taken advantage of. Invite me to your home offer me an apple, a drink or something! Or be there for me unconditionally as a friend by chatting with me (I'm a super chatty ADHDer at times.) These are very simple niceties that show me you care and go along way with me in the reciprocation department.

Money has never been a big deal to me even when I had none and lived on the poverty line. I think most want to be around people who are doing and achieving similar things because thats your natural circle and its inspiring. As such my friend circles expanded based on that natural dynamic.

However dont make me feel guilty b/c I can and choose to do it. Most of the people I know (which are the people I was referring to) can do it but simply don't prioritize it. I find these people to be boring because they'd rather sit on a cruise ship with an expensive unlimited drinking pass doing the same ole year after year. Or they go to the same destination in Miami, Vegas or Mexico every year. These are the people who I think need to venture out more. There is an entire world outside of the US! Americans as a whole tend to be very insular.


Prime example of nonsense: I have a friend who changes her car every few years to the latest and greatest "luxury" vehicle: Benz, Beamer, Audi, etc. She wanted to go to a conference looking good to attract an accomplished, high net worth man. The clothing she was going to wear was very dated and not complimentary for her figure. She contacted me to help her pick out something. I spent my entire day online shopping for a nice business dresses to perfectly compliment her. (I have a good eye for fashion.) We settled on something that was drop dead gorgeous for her. Guess what happened??? She was too cheap to pay the $10 expedited shipping fee so the outfit didnt make it to her on time.

My thoughts:
  1. She wasted my f'in precious time!
  2. Her priorities are off. How do you afford a $500+ car payment but cant afford $10 for shipping?
  3. You wanna play with the big boyz by signaling wealth (vehicle) but you're too cheap / broke to afford the lifestyle. This type of behavior is off-putting to me. This is the type of person who would split a dinner bill with me then expense the entire 2 person tab to their employer. (Which means you basically stole my money.) I am thouroughly disgusted by these types of people. And yes I know people who do stuff like that.

Despite my accomplishments I am still driving the same modest car I bought 20 years ago. I dont care. I choose to spend on things I enjoy such as trips, my latest hobby or fashion items that retain a value. If I have anything considered high fashion and super expensive its typically something I found new or near new in a second-hand store at a deep discount. When I get tired of it I sell it right back to consignment. In that sense everything I own has value / utility.
 
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Money has never been a big deal to me even when I had none and lived on the poverty line.
Kudos to you for having successfully moved up the social-economic ladder. Social mobility is on the decline. People's circumstances at birth—specifically, what their parents do for a living—are a huge factor in how far they get in life.

I think most want to be around people who are doing and achieving similar things because thats your natural circle and its inspiring. As such my friend circles expanded based on that natural dynamic.
Totally agree. I like to be around people who're doing and achieving similar or more things because I want to be inspired. Some people do the opposite - hanging out with less successful people - so their inflated ego can be constantly stroked.

I find these people to be boring because they'd rather sit on a cruise ship with an expensive unlimited drinking pass doing the same ole year after year. Or they go to the same destination in Miami, Vegas or Mexico every year. These are the people who I think need to venture out more.
LOL. You'll find us boring then. When my husband and I go on vacations, we mostly stay at resorts, all we do is f*** and eat. Sightseeing is more like a side activity. When we f*** 5 times a day and being in a constant food coma really doesn't leave much extra energy to venture out. We don't travel around often. My husband flies around for business trips, so when he catches free time he just wants to relax at home. He also works from home whenever he can.

Despite my accomplishments I am still driving the same modest car I bought 20 years ago. I dont care. I choose to spend on things I enjoy such as trips, my latest hobby or fashion items that retain a value. If I have anything considered high fashion and super expensive its typically something I found new or near new in a second-hand store at a deep discount. When I get tired of it I sell it right back to consignment. In that sense everything I own has value / utility.
I drive a Honda. I don't even bother getting it washed. I wait until it rains, and then I drive the car out for a grocery shopping trip. The rain washes the car well enough. My husband hates driving in San Francisco, so he just Uber everywhere. I never buy luxury accessories. I only buy cheap clothes from Forever 21 and H&M. We also choose to spend on the things we enjoy - dining out.
Darkness definitely has overtaken this part of the universe, hopefully this will be over soon in order to pave way for an actual golden age. Would be cool to see humanitree wage a war against the moon before everybody nukes each other during WW3. What if all along the solution to all of Earth's problems, the cure to this Draconian virus has always been obliterating the moon?
LOL. What's so special about the moon? I think human society will eventually become like in the Hunger Games or the movie Idiocracy. PS, true socialism and true democracy have never existed, don't exist and will not exist. Slavery has always existed, still exists and will exist - just under different names and disguises in different societies at different times.

Basically often the least able and genetically fit people have the most kids. Like in the movie idiocracy.
So true.
 
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LOL. You'll find us boring then. When my husband and I go on vacations, we mostly stay at resorts, all we do is f*** and eat. Sightseeing is more like a side activity. When we f*** 5 times a day and being in a constant food coma really doesn't leave much extra energy to venture out. We don't travel around often. My husband flies around for business trips, so when he catches free time he just wants to relax at home. He also works from home whenever he can.

NO WAY!!!!! You're killing me right now. :pfff::pfff::pfff:

I totally get it. When you're living the high life its wonderful to sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labor especially if you have to fly around for a living.

A girl that loves to eat fine foods, dick it up and live the lap of luxury is a SURELY a friend in my head. HA!!! Your marriage is alive and you are enjoying the rewards of luxury. I'm sure you could tell me all about the Prince of Monaco and his buddies at your hotel. I've never seen that side of life. That would not be boring to me. I have only seen that life here and there temporarily peeking through the curtains of a friends dating life. I had friends that dated Wall St. MDs and Football players. I attended the fabulous parties in the Hamptons and Miami as their guest. But never have I had the first hand experience as the girlfriend.

You have options and that is something to be envious of! And you drive a honda.... Surely you wouldnt be a stuffy person! You sound like you just need some good girlfriends to bond with...some who leave the BS pretense behind. I cant imagine you bonding with the average SV wife. They would probably be interested in showing you their latest Birkin bag and a bunch of shallow chit. BTW I have nothing against Birkins I'd probably own one too if I were a multimillionaire.


Remember my brain often craves novel experiences. And my personal issues cause me to crave deep connections. It is quite possible that if I had a group of really well off friends that I would be excited by all the loving and kind bonds of friendship. I value close friends and close mates above everything else in life. Due to my upbringing I've never had the opportunity to be a part of a big close knit group of couples / friends. I get very overwhelmed by people after long periods of time together. I am a natural introvert despite my wacky ways. Hence having a mate I could share my life with is ideal.
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I might end up mindf*** my therapist rather than being enlightened by him/her:

I only have one thing to say: Doctors make the WORST patients!

You're not trying to figure out whether your therapist is a Mensa scholar. All you need is someone who knows their craft, and understands human motivations very well. If he's not thinking about Aristotle in his spare time it doesnt mean he doesnt know his craft.

If you dont vibe with him or she goes down a path that you find useless, just find someone else. It may be helpful to find a PhD, with a few specialties, someone who's headed other programs and is used to dealing with smart people. That way you know they know their chit and they did something more than just pass a test to get a plaque on the wall.

Just be aware they will call you out on the intellectualization.

You didn't give any details on how your ex-bf's company was taken over by VCs.

I understand VC's very well. I was in a parallel industry.

The "ex-bf" also wanted to be the next Steve Jobs. He started his company 100% from scratch with his own idea and money in addition to some business grants. It was a tech product and he had paying companies as customers. He grew the company over 8 years. It was doing well.

Somewhere around year 9 he needed a capital infusion to go to the next phase and he got it from VC. Time passed and he didnt agree with the direction the VC's wanted to take the company. He was forced out. The company imploded without him.

Similar to your hubby there was a happy ending. He moved, consulted a bit to stash some cash then started over. He got the new business running and later raised two rounds of VC totaling over $15M. The new company is doing well and he is very successful. He named someone else CEO and retains some equity in the biz. He's now moved on to creating a new company.

The problem is that he is an anomaly. He worked 7 days a week, 16-20 hr days. Every now and then he took a few hours off or maybe closed for a holiday. Even though the place was closed for his employees he was in there non-stop. I know many others that did all the right things and it didnt turnout the same for them. All those hours and nothing to show for it? Their wives and kids struggle silently only complaining to close friends. All of those long hours was the reason our relationship didnt go anywhere. Its hard to seriously date someone you only see once a week and get a call from here and there "if" you're lucky??? As such I wouldnt call him a real "ex-bf". He was just someone awesome I dated for a period of time.

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Talking about this story makes me feel like a loser because he was the prized lone wolf in the pack. As an Asian I'm sure dating was very different for you than it was for me, however. You're seen as a prized woman so you could sacrifice some lonely nights because you had some sense that it could work out for you. Sadly other women hold on through the bad times then get tossed out when good times come around the corner. That will never be me!

I'll just say that you are very lucky to have your situation. You found your guy in college. I lived alone, went to a local college and worked part-time until I was hired into the top echelon of the fortune 100. My focus was becoming a professional earner asap. It was my only way to permanently escape the violence and the shelter / government housing / welfare system after leaving home as a teenager. If I had known that college was supposed to be the place to find a boyfriend I would have made different choices when I went to ivy grad school. However I had challenges at times assimilating with a set of peers most of whom didnt share my background or who understood nothing of my 2E struggles.

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My husband and I have summarized 3 levels of the ways people make money:
1: Make money from their lives - an extreme example is Indian sewer cleaners who wear little protective gear and die young from job hazards
2: Make money from their time - white-collar employees who work 9-5 jobs
3: Make money from money - best way to financial freedom & don't need to answer to anyone
Our goal had always been #3. My husband did grad school at Stanford. Apparently everybody who goes there catches an entrepreneurial bug and wants to be the next Steve Jobs or Elon Musk. Doing startup was not just his ambition, but his religion.
Are you still working or retired?

Just a quick correction for #2: I dont know many ivy people who work 9-5. The average ivy person is often working 12-18 hr days. Some get burnt out working 6-7 days a week. Unless you come from a family that can fund you while you while you start your own company many graduates are slaves to the capitalist system. If you are an entrepreneur its even worse. Only a few ideas have long term viability or the funding just isn't accessible for other reasons.

I do know some who worked their way up the ladder to C-suite. They are successful however they are now handcuffed to that title. The point is many are unable to move fully to #3 without some type of help whether it be a mentor, family, business connections etc.

I'm also sure that you are aware that VC money is not as equally accessible to everyone. I won't get into that but its still a bit of a "good ole boys" network. So unless you come from wealth, have connections, or fit into societal norms only a select few get the backing they seek. As such, many get stuck in that entrepreneurial loop of startup and fail. In that case they need a stable partner to ensure someone can put food in the fridge. Being a woman in that situation is nothing close to sexy!

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My personal goal was working the way up via #2 and learning #3 until I could fully do #3. I was a decent investor over the years and earned a good penny. I paid off massive student loans and created a decent stash. Unfortunately I had to leave my job after some incidents that happened to me.

There is alot of abuse that goes on in these top companies, especially to women. I started to speak up (not just for myself but also for my reports) which led to backlash from superiors. I had a target on my back. Over time I became severely depressed because I was working like a slave, getting paid peanuts and being treated like dirt despite being a top contributor as evidenced through praise and promotion in every org I worked at. Compensation structures changed drastically after the 2008 crisis. I gradually became functionally depressed and these incidents exacerbated my mental state. I eventually stopped working in the last few years thinking I would get better after a few months off. Now here I am a few years later broke and still depressed. I also burned through all my cash.

During my time out of work I tried to become a more aggressive, active investor to generate annual income. Things worked out at first then last year things took a turn for the worst. I lost a considerable amount of money. I also lost half of my retirement funds. Despite losing alot I dont have regrets. I learned a chit load of stuff.

Fortunately I made enough over my lifetime such that I am eligible for a decent amount of government benefits as a severely depressed, social recluse. I will NEVER go back to work in ANY of these companies. I'd rather go broke trying implement an aggressive investment strategy or just plain ole CTB!!!


EDIT: I'm not allowed to type anymore b/c of the way this site consolidates messages. I'll wait for some time to pass.
 
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LMFAO FOCKERS is obviously a more sophisticated writer.

I'm sincerely flattered. :heart: Its often hard for me to respond because it takes me a lot of time to organize my thoughts on a page such that one can read them fluidly. Thats part of the ADHD challenge too. I'm all over the place in my brain.

@nitrogen You write very well. I would have never thought you were not a native speaker.




Questions for you:
Why did you hate your parents by age 6? Were you an unwanted child?


I'll try to make a long story short...

Between the ages of 4-6, my parents used to leave me home alone for a few hours, 1-2 nights a week while they attended night school. I got comfortable cooking a few simple things for myself like oatmeal or grilled cheese. We were poor living in an apartment building with mice, roaches and pissy elevators/hallways. I remember a time I fell on my head and could not breath. Noone was home to help me.

When my parents were home they spent a lot of time in their room with the door closed. I was always alone even when they were home. I didnt have any friends so I spent most of my time in my room with no TV. The only TV in the house was in their room. As a result, I started to become somewhat self-reliant and likely detached.

We eventually moved to a house in a bad neighborhood. Outside of the mortgage, my parents spent most of their money on my education. I wore uniforms so my parents did not need to buy me clothes nor could they afford it. My grandmother would take me to salvation army to pick out 2-3 outfits. She spent a couple dollars total on me. People made fun of me.

After my first sibling was born I could tell something was off. They started to treat me differently. They used to blame me for everything that went wrong despite it being an accident. For example my sibling would fall while we were chasing each other and my father would beat me with a belt so bad that i had welts all over. People in the neighborhood would hear me screaming and make fun of me. It got worse when the next sibling came along.

We were of a different religion than everyone in the neighborhood and my parents were forcing it on me. Between 6 and 8 I stopped abiding. They didnt allow me to wear certain clothes in the dead hot of summer including bathing suits. Again everyone made fun of me.

I wanted to pursue acting as a child. I was asked to be in a small movie and my parents declined because they wanted payment and believed I was being taken advantage of. I personally knew the family who was making the movie. We went to school together for years and I was in their play on weekends getting paid $15 per show. No-one knew if the movie would make money but I didnt care. I hated them for not allowing me to do it. It messed up a potential connection and a chance to build a reputation.

I figured out my parents did pot and I questioned them about it. They would tell me it was a incense. I viewed them as lying hypocrites especially consdering all the religious BS. I began resenting them because I knew what it really was and I was disgusted that they would insult my intelligence. (Now you know why they were always locked in their room.)

I hated my mom b/c she was the type that likes to rule by emotional control. She was not logical and I would talk circles around her. By 8yo I would go to my father and logically reason with him and he would say "yes" right after my mom said "no" to my requests. She would try to pinch my skin and twist it to force me into submission if I told her that her reasoning made no sense. I didnt like to be controlled and I didnt respect her method of manipulation.

My father used to scream, curse and get really angry with my mom. He knocked over furniture when he couldn't find his belongings. He would throw plates at my mom when they were having stupid disagreements about food or something else dumb. My mother would clean up the mess after these tantrums. I started to see my mother as weak and I had no intentions of being controlled like her. (Now you understand the origins of my feelings about alphamales. I REFUSED to ever rely on a man for support from that day on.) Funny thing. My mother earned way more than my father. I could never understand why she would tolerate such craziness.

I used to tell my parents all the time that I didnt believe they loved me but they ignored me. I later realized I looked different than everyone else. I had different hair and a fairer complexion than others in my family. Of course another family member confirmed my suspicions when I was an adult. I am pretty sure I am not biologically related to my mothers husband. It explains why my parents subconsciously treated me so differently.



You had lots of fun traveling around. Does that no longer interest you?

I used to travel for 2-2.5 weeks every few months. Some trips would be an active trip to explore another continent. Other trips would be to an island to just relax. I always wanted to see the world since my youth b/c we went nowhere and did nothing. I met many people on my trips including nice single men and received offers to return all expenses paid. Unfortunately I could see that our desires and lifestyles were too different for us to be compatible longterm.

I remember coming back from one of my trips extremely depressed. Halfway through the trip, I started to cry my eyes out every night. I really wanted a bf to share my experiences. The remainder of the trip felt lonely. My interest in traveling pretty much died since that trip. Sure I've taken a relaxing trip to an island here and there just to get away. But my travels desires are nothing close to what they once were. I am pretty sure that if I found I mate I'd want to explore the world with them. I would probably be depressed if I was paired yet sitting home doing "nothing" all the time.


I've lost all of my desire to live or do anything. I'm totally burned out. I'm so burned out I cant remember the last time I washed and combed my hair. It stays in a braid for weeks at a time. I combed my hair this morning and it was clumped together with lots of lint. :sick: Pretty disgusting for someone who used to take 2-3 showers a day (I've always been a bit of a germaphobe.)


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My problem now is that on antidepressants I am upbeat enough to move around my house and run basic errands such as food shopping. But I'm too lazy to pack my stuff up. I want to CTB anonymously which requires moving out and giving everything away ahead of time but I need to be sure. I cant muster up the tenacity to complete all the little things required to move forward...


If I knew then what I know now I would have aspired to be in your situation. Your version of being a stay at home wife is close to ideal for me today. Contrary to everything I've wrote about myself I recently came to the conclusion I would rather be a "Melania" than be where I am at now. At least she knows what she has to put up with and can plan ahead while her extravagant expenses are taken care of. She can even divorce her hubby and still have a mini fortune. Anything has gotta be way better than sitting home rotting, waiting to CTB??? ;-;


@nitrogen Have you considered getting a Nanny for a while? I'd definitely need a nanny if I had a kid because I'm like you when it comes to children.
 
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I can relate in some way. I am 23 as of right now, and I have been bored in life since childhood. With every new step in life I thought I'd find something to my liking, but nothing ever came up. I never had any problems in my childhood or school years, by that I mean: never bullied, not abused by adults or any other negative life changing moments, had friends, had girlfriends and some other positive moments. My family has been always supporting me both mentally and financially: supported me throughout life despite my horrible teenage attitude and always provided me with extra amount of funds to live a life. And as of present, I have plenty of opportunities and funding to flourish in life.

In a nutshell, my point is that I don't have a single reason to seek for a way to end my life from a perspective of a reasonable person. But despite that, I was never truly happy in life - always felt out of the place in this world. I lost interest or passion in anything I tried within short periods of time: from hours to months, but never longer. I have been in several relationships - all of them failed within weeks with the longest one for 3 weeks. I simply rapidly lost any interest in a person.

The reasoning to that behavior is that I was bored at the start, and I after a certain life event I realized: life is not worth living. It was one and only time in my life when I completely forgot that I have a brain. Instead, I let emotions take over and committed a series of suicide attempts which obviously failed since I had no guts to execute them. Funny enough, no one ever found it about them except for my mother who, I think, had some suspiciously extra caring behavior towards me during that time. Nevertheless, after first couple of weeks reign returned to brain, and I started to think. I started to pay more attention to others, and what was happening in the world in general. I was reading news, surfing the internet, social media and all other mass media.

Watching certain videos, reading certain news, witnessing in real life brutal and inhuman actions - all that had a strong negative impact on my view of the human kind and life. I started to have anger issues, and lost control very easily which caused self-harm both mentally and physically. At some point, being a human - felt disgusting , so as living in this maniacally hypocritical modern society. And this isn't just blind hate - I know there is good people and moments to live for. I just can't live with this understanding - pros of life simply cant outweigh cons in my case. There is just too much bad in the world for me, and I can't ignore it. I stopped trying to achieve anything in life since then.

As of right now, I think I am at the point when it is time for me. The only reason that kept me here for that long is my mother. I am the only child, and just thinking of what she will have to go through... It's the only thing that I can feel, and it tremendously hurts me. But I never had any interest in life to start with, and if my mother wasn't alive - I would end this pointless existence without any second thought. So, I believe I am making a right choice for both of us since my future existence will only hurt her - I can't force myself to pretend anymore
Camus said that, as life is absurd, the most important philosophical question is wheter commit suicide or not... So I definetely get what you mean.
 
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A girl that loves to eat fine foods, dick it up and live the lap of luxury is a SURELY a friend in my head. HA!!! Your marriage is alive and you are enjoying the rewards of luxury. I'm sure you could tell me all about the Prince of Monaco and his buddies at your hotel. I've never seen that side of life. That would not be boring to me. I have only seen that life here and there temporarily peeking through the curtains of a friends dating life. I had friends that dated Wall St. MDs and Football players.
I don't live the lap of luxury. I could if I wanted to, but I see it as unnecessary and burdensome. My dad had a mansion with a gym and a swimming pool. We used to spend 2 hrs per week on searching for the family cat. The cat is a jerk - when we called his name, sometimes he "meow" and showed up, other times he played hide-and-seek games. My parents would call me on my cell phone to tell me to eat lunch and dinner coz they didn't know which room I was in. Now my family of 3 just live in a 2 bedroom apt - nothing luxury about that. It doesn't even come with an air conditioner - AC is usually not needed in San Francisco climate.

We don't stay at luxury hotels/resorts when we vacation. We pick decent hotels near good restaurants. I mean, if all we do is f*** and eat, we don't need all those amenities in luxury resorts - a big clean bed and proximity to fine dining are all we need. It's not like we can f*** in public. Well, we did a few times. My husband made sure I knew if somebody bumped into us, I'd cover my face instead of my body parts asap.

We don't know people like the Prince of Monaco. We're not billionaires, not there yet. I'm sure you know startups are volatile, which is true even for the ones that have done multiple funding rounds.

Most of my husband's employees hold phDs from Stanford, Harvard, Caltech, MIT, some have worked in Wall St and investment banks for decades. It's a hardcore tech company that develops financial products. Funny thing is, none of the 3 founders hold a degree higher than masters haha.

Prime example of nonsense: I have a friend who changes her car every few years to the latest and greatest "luxury" vehicle: Benz, Beamer, Audi, etc. She wanted to go to a conference looking good to attract an accomplished, high net worth man.
I asked why my husband is attracted to me and loved me for all those years. He said, "Out of women as smart as you, few are as fuckable as you; out of women as fuckable as you, few are as smart as you; out of women as whimsically creepy as you, few are not serial killers; out of women as provocative as you, few are as creepy as you; out of women as fierce as you, few are as compassionate and philanthropic as you, etc, etc. He said like 20 things - you get the idea.

When I first met my husband, one of the first conversations we had was on pets. I told him the story of a pet water snake I had when I was a child. It died a few days after I brought it home and started to decompose. Since I got it in wintertime, I was sure it was still alive and just hibernating. I changed the water in its tank many times per day to reduce the odor. As its eyes turned cloudy and white, I colored its eyes with a neon pink marker to give it some style. I was worried it would get hungry from not eating for days, so I stuffed food down its throat with a chopstick, and one day I didn't get the angle right. The chopstick penetrated its abdominal wall and the tip came out of its tummy. To make sure I didn't dump a living animal into the trash can, I poured boiling water in its tank to see if it would move at all.

There are a bunch of other silly things I've done that just turn my hubby on.

So perhaps ask your friend to try a creepy story as pickup line instead of changing cars all the time to attract high net worth men. I'm not saying it'll definitely work since I actually don't have much experience with men. Despite countless men wanted to f*** me, including my college career counselor, I've only had sexual relationships with two men - my ex-bf and my hubby. I didn't even have sex with my first ex-bf.

You're one of the most interesting ppl I've conversed with. There're other things I want to share with you and ask you, but I don't have time to write posts on weekends when my toddler is at home. If I can't get to you today, I'll get to you next week.
 
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2E = Twice exceptional. Giftedness with "disability". The "disability" can mask or equalize giftedness such that person performs average, has wide disparities like college level math in grade school but grade school level reading (for example) or just completely underperforms. The giftedness and the disability each have to be addressed individually in order for the person to reach their full potential.

The disability can be anything from ADHD, dyslexia to more challenging issues as autism. Most of these students fall through the cracks because teachers/parents arent trained to identify it and deal with it due to the masking nature of the disability. Some dont even figure it out until they are in college or on the job because they were able to "get by" in elementary school. 2E individuals often also have social challenges because they dont fit into social norms. They may be highly sensitive, stubborn or a host of other things that may challenge their ability to interact, adjust and flourish in social settings.

Contrary to what people may think people dont outgrow the disabilities and social challenges. Undiagnosed adults often dont figure it out until they are adults seeking out counseling because their lives are falling apart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twice_exceptional


Thank you for this, LMFAO FOCKERS. I really appreciate your telling me about 2E brain. You are very generous.
@azucaramargo I don't consider myself exceptionally talented, intelligent or successful. I'd say I'm above average but not on the genius level like my husband and some of our friends. I'm luckier than most people, that's for sure.

I don't have a career and I'm not quite employable, which used to bother me and made me feel insecure. My husband and I went to the same college for undergrad, but went to different grad schools in different states. We started dating in college Freshmen year. By the time he finished grad school and was about to jump on his first startup, we had been in a temporary long-distance relationship for three years. We were deeply in love and really missed each other. He asked me to quit pursuing a medical career, and instead, marry him and support his startup dream. He promised he'd make more than double a doctor makes; and since half of his income would belong to me, it'd be equivalent to me making a doctor's salary but having the freedom to do whatever I wanted. So that's what I did and his promise eventually came true. A medical degree is useless without field experience.

It's not lonely to be somewhat intelligent. There are plenty of people way smarter than me. I'm surrounded by them. I never look down on anyone with contempt, nor do I ever have a sense of superiority. I also try not to judge people or force my own values on others. With everyone out there, even if they're less lucky than I am, there's always something they're better than I'm at. I often chat up homeless people and ask about their life stories, which amaze me all the time.

I'm ok with being dominated by an alpha male. That doesn't mean I take an inferior role in the relationship, nor does it mean I'm submissive across the board. I'm ferocious when it comes to guarding my family's interests. I do whatever makes people buckle under or back off - from the old boring legal threats to black magick rituals of summoning demons. Btw, I've been exploring the realm of supernatural phenomenon and making some startling discoveries.

My parents think it's a waste of my talent to be a stay-at-home wife. I shared that sentiment before. Now I'm past it. All my husband does is providing for the family and I do everything else. Believe or not, it's no easy work. By far, I've been good at it. If one day he dies of some freak accident, I'd just live off our savings, then CTB. I won't bother going back to school or work for somebody.

No need to envy me or yearn for the carrots I've gathered. Like I've pointed out in my earlier posts, a surprising fact about happiness is that it stays rather fixed, in part due to genetics and in part due to we adapt quickly. Even if you get what I have, after a short while, you'd be as happy as you're right now.

What "failures" are breaking you down? What brings you to this website?
@nitrogen Thank you for writing to me. I admire your fierce loyalty to your family, and your efforts to protect your business; I think that requires a lot of talent, and I feel bad that your parents think you are "wasting" any by not working outside the home. I was interested to hear about your exploration into black magic. Very eclectic and cool. Please let me know if you come across any spells that allow for "Freaky Friday"-like body switches. :)

I think you're quite employable. There are non-practicing physicians all over the place: You could write for WebMD, consult for big pharma or an HMO, even teach CPR if you wanted. But, that's not the point: I really hope you find something that gives you pleasure and makes you feel good. Do you know the comedian Ali Wong? She has a bit wherein she says that stay-at-home moms are geniuses. And, I agree with her. At the risk of making any controversial political statements, I think it's a great achievement to have a man choose you to mother his children. I feel badly that someone as accomplished as you thinks about suicide; I know you and I are probably about as different as two people could be, but you deserve to feel good, and I applaud you for taking the advice of people on this forum and seeking out a therapist. Also, you are a prolific researcher, it seems, and I always admire that. Thank you for asking about my failures; they have to do with not getting what I want as far as jobs and men. And, all the failure just kind of snowballs, you know? One gets accustomed to being ignored/passed over/rejected, and it just kind of continues and sticks on one like dog poop on a shoe. My sister was a pretty talented basketball player in high school, and I remember someone advising her about playing college basketball. This coach said, "You're going to have to be comfortable scoring like 80% of the baskets in each game." I don't know the wording used, but hearing that made me realize that in addition to having the skills, one's got to also be comfortable receiving attention and being in a position of I guess power. Kind of like your husband: a genius but also able to operate a business and compete in the workaday world. Just like that, I think one gets accustomed to failure. And, it sticks to one like the scent of dog poop on a shoe. And, soon one can't even visualize oneself in a position of success. I don't want to talk about that, though. So boring. I wish I had more to offer you advice-wise, but I would kill to survive in the social circles in which you gravitate. From my own failed attempts, I know those environments can be competitive. And, so I know your life is complicated in a way mine isn't. I just want you to feel good, and I feel honored that you came to this site.
r things took a turn for the worst. I lost a considerable amount of money. I also lost half of my retirement funds. Despite losing alot I dont have regrets. I learned a chit load of stuff.

Fortunately I made enough over my lifetime such that I am eligible for a decent amount of government benefits as a severely depressed, social recluse. I will NEVER go back to work in ANY of these companies. I'd rather go broke trying implement an aggressive investment strategy or just plain ole CTB!!!

Not true. I definitely dont look down upon anyone. I probably didn't phrase that well enough to be meaningful in a universal context.

If you dont have the means then you dont have it. I dont see the person as less than or boring. That's just life. I value good, wise and hard working people and the like. For example, if you were a struggling teacher then its expected you will not have extravagant means. It would just be nice to see simple things reciprocated especially if we are good friends. I'm the type that would share / spend my last dollar on a friend. I'm happy to pay for dinners or drinks as long as I'm not being taken advantage of. Invite me to your home offer me an apple, a drink or something! Or be there for me unconditionally as a friend by chatting with me (I'm a super chatty ADHDer at times.) These are very simple niceties that show me you care and go along way with me in the reciprocation department.

Money has never been a big deal to me even when I had none and lived on the poverty line. I think most want to be around people who are doing and achieving similar things because thats your natural circle and its inspiring. As such my friend circles expanded based on that natural dynamic.

However dont make me feel guilty b/c I can and choose to do it. Most of the people I know (which are the people I was referring to) can do it but simply don't prioritize it. I find these people to be boring because they'd rather sit on a cruise ship with an expensive unlimited drinking pass doing the same ole year after year. Or they go to the same destination in Miami, Vegas or Mexico every year. These are the people who I think need to venture out more. There is an entire world outside of the US! Americans as a whole tend to be very insular.


Prime example of nonsense: I have a friend who changes her car every few years to the latest and greatest "luxury" vehicle: Benz, Beamer, Audi, etc. She wanted to go to a conference looking good to attract an accomplished, high net worth man. The clothing she was going to wear was very dated and not complimentary for her figure. She contacted me to help her pick out something. I spent my entire day online shopping for a nice business dresses to perfectly compliment her. (I have a good eye for fashion.) We settled on something that was drop dead gorgeous for her. Guess what happened??? She was too cheap to pay the $10 expedited shipping fee so the outfit didnt make it to her on time.

My thoughts:
  1. She wasted my f'in precious time!
  2. Her priorities are off. How do you afford a $500+ car payment but cant afford $10 for shipping?
  3. You wanna play with the big boyz by signaling wealth (vehicle) but you're too cheap / broke to afford the lifestyle. This type of behavior is off-putting to me. This is the type of person who would split a dinner bill with me then expense the entire 2 person tab to their employer. (Which means you basically stole my money.) I am thouroughly disgusted by these types of people. And yes I know people who do stuff like that.

Despite my accomplishments I am still driving the same modest car I bought 20 years ago. I dont care. I choose to spend on things I enjoy such as trips, my latest hobby or fashion items that retain a value. If I have anything considered high fashion and super expensive its typically something I found new or near new in a second-hand store at a deep discount. When I get tired of it I sell it right back to consignment. In that sense everything I own has value / utility.
You're so sweet. I wasn't accusing you of being snobby or anything. My own poverty bores me so much. I don't know how someone (me) who loves money and material things so much could be so chronically poor. One would think that someone who loves money so much would find a way to get some, and then hold onto it, you know? I love money and the things it can buy.
 
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You're so sweet. I wasn't accusing you of being snobby or anything. My own poverty bores me so much. I don't know how someone (me) who loves money and material things so much could be so chronically poor. One would think that someone who loves money so much would find a way to get some, and then hold onto it, you know? I love money and the things it can buy.

Whats your background story? Do you mind telling me about your aspirations, etc. Or whatever it is that keeps you feeling poor and/ or like a failure?

Is that a picture of you in the avatar?

What things do you think went "wrong" in your life?

Do you think its too late to change it?

Do you really want to CTB? Do you have an active plan in mind or managing fleeting thoughts?
 
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@nitrogen @LMFAO FOCKERS

I 'd like to thank you both for sharing your stories so openly and in such depth, rather than keeping them hidden away in PMs. It has made for interesting reading. I can only apologise for my inability to contribute... It would only be dull, self pitying drivel, and quite irrelevant really.
 
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The "ex-bf" also wanted to be the next Steve Jobs. He started his company 100% from scratch with his own idea and money in addition to some business grants. It was a tech product and he had paying companies as customers. He grew the company over 8 years. It was doing well.

Somewhere around year 9 he needed a capital infusion to go to the next phase and he got it from VC. Time passed and he didnt agree with the direction the VC's wanted to take the company. He was forced out. The company imploded without him.

He moved, consulted a bit to stash some cash then started over. He got the new business running and later raised two rounds of VC totaling over $15M. The new company is doing well and he is very successful. He named someone else CEO and retains some equity in the biz. He's now moved on to creating a new company.

The problem is that he is an anomaly. He worked 7 days a week, 16-20 hr days. All of those long hours was the reason our relationship didnt go anywhere. Its hard to seriously date someone you only see once a week and get a call from here and there "if" you're lucky???

I'm also sure that you are aware that VC money is not as equally accessible to everyone. I won't get into that but its still a bit of a "good ole boys" network. So unless you come from wealth, have connections, or fit into societal norms only a select few get the backing they seek. As such, many get stuck in that entrepreneurial loop of startup and fail.

Ahh. Your "ex-bf" is a serial entrepreneur. My hubby's mind was so set on doing startups, especially when his first two projects failed, I was worried he would get stuck in that entrepreneurial loop and fail one after another. Even when this 3rd startup looked promising and was a hot deal among VCs in its early stage, the founders paid themselves only enough to get by. They paid the employees market salaries and even above-market salaries to attract top talents. One detrimental problem that startups too frequently run into is the cash burn rate gets too high and run out of money. Then the company either has to be quickly sold or take loans, otherwise, it becomes insolvent and has to be shut down.

I agree it's hard to seriously date someone you only see once a week. Relationships take time to be nurtured. My hubby had never successfully secured VC investments for his first two projects. Since he had no money to rent out an office space, our home, Starbucks, and Stanford Business School cafeteria were his offices. We agreed to not take money out of our own and parents' pockets to do startups. He goes to work at an office in SF financial district for this 3rd startup. He usually leaves home for work at 8:30am and comes home around 7pm, sometimes works from home to have a date with me while our child is at daycare.

There's a strong Stanford alumni network here in Silicon Valley. VCs, tech talents, and potential clients also cluster here. So although we don't like San Francisco, we've been staying here.

VCs are herd followers and most of their investments fail. When my hubby started this 3rd startup, he talked with a bunch of VCs, who said they'd be happy to invest only if he found a lead investor. PS, the lead investor usually puts in the most money and has the most at stake. When my hubby got a high profile lead investor that was willing to take the dive, all the other VCs followed. The VCs that turned him down before crawled back. Some VCs he had never talked with reached out to him.
 
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Whats your background story? Do you mind telling me about your aspirations, etc. Or whatever it is that keeps you feeling poor and/ or like a failure?

Is that a picture of you in the avatar?

What things do you think went "wrong" in your life?

Do you think its too late to change it?

Do you really want to CTB? Do you have an active plan in mind or managing fleeting thoughts?
Thank you for taking such an interest in me LMFAO FOCKERS. My avatar is a picture of the inimitable Chinese actress Gong Li. She is loaded, in her 50s, has no kids, and is hotter than she was at 20. She's kind of my hero. I think she's so cool.

Some days I think my situation can be remedied and some days I think it can't. I have a weird professional background.

I went to a Seven Sisters school, and worked for 6 years in hospital administration. Went back to school to do a full-time MBA, graduated in 2009 and could not find so much as a babysitting job. Went to Asia (China, Saudi) for 7 years to teach/do educational consulting... I wanted to find a husband in Asia and my fortune, too. I found neither. Started a 2nd master's in education (online) at Purdue, and flamed out just because I couldn't juggle it all, and I did not want to live as a single woman expat in Asia until I was too old to get a work visa. Came home with no savings to live with Mom and Dad 1 year ago. Work at nights as a tech in a geriatric psych ward with people who didn't even graduate high school. Have 2 younger sisters who are more successful than I am. Everyone in my family works in health care & I am so tired of health care. Sometimes I substitute teach and wait tables or do volunteer Spanish/English interpreting at a free clinic. What I should have done was stay in Asia until I saved enough money to move to a big U.S. city and try to make my way back into the U.S. job market that way.

But, alas since my parents moved to this southern island of golf and retirees, this is the only place I have to live. Owe Uncle Sam 30k on a degree I didn't complete.

I love a guy on this site, but I'm too poor to be with him. And, even if I had the money to buy his love, he doesn't even love me.

At the start of this week, I was thinking a lot about carbon monoxide poisoning. But, if I take my medications regularly I can kind of muddle through enough to shower, return e-mails, and keep applying for big-girl jobs, etc.

I was so interested to hear about your international career, and all your powerful positions. I never had what it took to get in the big multinational corporations -- except to come in and teach English to their non-U.S. executives, but I have dreamt about it.

Unlike you, I haven't logged enough official working years in the U.S. to qualify for unemployment benefits. I was sad to see you write that you don't want to return to the corporate world. Don't you miss the prestige and the cash and the access to accomplished people? Some days I feel like I would sell my soul for the corporate seal of approval.
 
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I think what I get most out of this thread is that you can have textbook definition of happiness: good family, good health, good job and you can still be unhappy in life. Fulfilling society's pressure to have children will not change that. You need people that mentally and emotionally stimulate you. I think especially for OP, it sounds like you have post partum depression.
 
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I only have one thing to say: Doctors make the WORST patients!
Just be aware they will call you out on the intellectualization.
I tend to intellectualize because, for one, I'm aware that intuition and common sense are often unreliable. For two, I try not to let emotions cloud my judgment. I rely on logical reasoning and empirical evidence - perhaps I'm a human/Vulcan hybrid like Spock, minus that silly haircut and eyebrows.

As an Asian I'm sure dating was very different for you than it was for me, however. You're seen as a prized woman so you could sacrifice some lonely nights because you had some sense that it could work out for you. Sadly other women hold on through the bad times then get tossed out when good times come around the corner. That will never be me!
My hubby usually only spends time at work and at home, very rarely goes out with friends. He's competent in social situations, but he's not a social person if that makes sense. I'm not ok with lonely nights; luckily he's a family man.

I'll not allow myself to hold on through the bad times and then get tossed out when good times come around the corner, either. When my hubby asked me to quit my pursuit of becoming a trauma surgeon and marry him - by then, we had been dating for 7 years - I said in a joking way, "You're asking me to spend the rest of my life with you, promising you'll cherish me for as long as you live, asking me to make huge sacrifices. If one day, I find out you cheated on me or you don't mean what you say, I'll dig up a basement, tie you up, stab you hundreds of times before you're allowed to bleed to death. You'd better think long and hard about whether you really want to marry me. This is your last chance to back out." Of course I won't really do it even if things go south between us, but what I said etched in his mind. Since then, when we shop for properties, he'd say make sure we get the ones that already come with a basement, the more soundproof the better, so I don't have to dig one up.

I was a decent investor over the years and earned a good penny. I paid off massive student loans and created a decent stash. Unfortunately I had to leave my job after some incidents that happened to me.

During my time out of work I tried to become a more aggressive, active investor to generate annual income. Things worked out at first then last year things took a turn for the worst. I lost a considerable amount of money. I also lost half of my retirement funds. Despite losing alot I dont have regrets. I learned a chit load of stuff.
What happened last year? What types of investments have you been doing if you don't mind me ask?

You sound like you just need some good girlfriends to bond with...some who leave the BS pretense behind. I cant imagine you bonding with the average SV wife. They would probably be interested in showing you their latest Birkin bag and a bunch of shallow chit. BTW I have nothing against Birkins I'd probably own one too if I were a multimillionaire.
I don't have good girlfriends who can truly bond with me. Shallow and dumb people are more interesting dead than alive. The human body is always fascinating, but the human mind is often banal. I can't be completely open with my girlfriends; I usually just say what they want to hear.

I don't have guy friends either. I used to have some back in college until I realized they all just wanted to f*** me.

My toddler is napping right now, so I catch some free time to write posts :heh:
 
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What happened last year? What types of investments have you been doing if you don't mind me ask?

Equities. Teaching myself momentum investing. Market volatility was unreal. Money lost = education. Wouldn't happen again. I understand it well now and have a good sense of risk management.
 
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I remember a time I fell on my head and could not breath. Noone was home to help me.

When my parents were home they spent a lot of time in their room with the door closed. I was always alone even when they were home. I didnt have any friends so I spent most of my time in my room with no TV. The only TV in the house was in their room. As a result, I started to become somewhat self-reliant and likely detached.

After my first sibling was born I could tell something was off. They started to treat me differently. They used to blame me for everything that went wrong despite it being an accident. For example my sibling would fall while we were chasing each other and my father would beat me with a belt so bad that i had welts all over. People in the neighborhood would hear me screaming and make fun of me. It got worse when the next sibling came along.

I hated my mom b/c she was the type that likes to rule by emotional control.

My father used to scream, curse and get really angry with my mom. He knocked over furniture when he couldn't find his belongings. He would throw plates at my mom when they were having stupid disagreements about food or something else dumb. My mother would clean up the mess after these tantrums.

Wow! If I were you, I'd hate your parents, too. I mean, you were neglected, mentally and physically abused, made fun of, etc. Now I'm even more impressed at how you turned your disadvantages around and climbed all the way from the bottom to the top of the socioeconomic ladder, which is a lot harder to climb than most people would think.

How are your two siblings faring? I bet they aren't as high achieving as you are.

I screamed at my child at the top of my lungs a couple of times. There were also a few times when I almost lost my shit and was about to smack her. My hubby rushed to the scene and took over to let me cool down. Lexapro definitely helps to reduce my impulses. I rarely scream at her these days.

It saddens me because I had never raised my voice at anyone before. Both my husband and myself were shocked at my reactions. I learned a long time ago that the best weapon against my husband is my tears, so I almost never yell at my hubby. My hubby's mother used to take out all her stress and anger on him and screamed at him when he was a child. I really don't want to remind him of his childhood trauma and see his abusive mother in me.

Overall, my child is happy and I'm the person she trusts the most. I feed her well, play games with her, give her hugs and kisses, take her to parks, playgrounds, zoo, library, mall, etc whenever I can.

I'm so burned out I cant remember the last time I washed and combed my hair. It stays in a braid for weeks at a time. I combed my hair this morning and it was clumped together with lots of lint. :sick: Pretty disgusting for someone who used to take 2-3 showers a day (I've always been a bit of a germaphobe.)
Aww. :aw: I wish I can give you a hug (only after you shower, lol). I'm a germaphobe, too. It takes me 15 minutes to brush my teeth each time. PS, I always ask my hubby to take a shower and brush his teeth before we engage in anything intimate. He whines about no spontaneity and calls me a buzz killer - I won't budge.

Have you considered getting a Nanny for a while? I'd definitely need a nanny if I had a kid because I'm like you when it comes to children.
We hired a live-in nanny when our child was younger and was unable to sleep through the night. Our personal space was already invaded by the child, having another person live with us to further invade our personal space was unbearable. So as soon as I felt that I could handle our child alone, we let the nanny go. Daycare is a better solution in the way that not only do we get some personal space back, but also the child gets to play with kids of her age.
 
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Thank you for taking such an interest in me LMFAO FOCKERS. My avatar is a picture of the inimitable Chinese actress Gong Li. She is loaded, in her 50s, has no kids, and is hotter than she was at 20. She's kind of my hero. I think she's so cool.
I love a guy on this site, but I'm too poor to be with him. And, even if I had the money to buy his love, he doesn't even love me.

I loved her in Memoirs of a Geisha. She's killing it!


Can you tell me more about this guy? Have you ever met him in person? How long have you known him? You shouldnt have to buy his love. In my head most Asian women have an easy time dating (clearly thats not always the case). What do you think has hindered you from finding a guy? Would you have considered dating a Saudi man?

I hope you dont find my question offensive: have you ever considered looking for an American man on one of those instant bride / sugar daddy sites? (I'm asking just for informational purposes to understand your purpose and views on internet dating, not because I think you should be a rent-a-bride.)


I went to a Seven Sisters school, and worked for 6 years in hospital administration. Went back to school to do a full-time MBA, graduated in 2009 and could not find so much as a babysitting job. Went to Asia (China, Saudi) for 7 years to teach/do educational consulting... I wanted to find a husband in Asia and my fortune, too. I found neither. Started a 2nd master's in education (online) at Purdue, and flamed out just because I couldn't juggle it all, and I did not want to live as a single woman expat in Asia until I was too old to get a work visa. Came home with no savings to live with Mom and Dad 1 year ago. Work at nights as a tech in a geriatric psych ward with people who didn't even graduate high school. Have 2 younger sisters who are more successful than I am. Everyone in my family works in health care & I am so tired of health care. Sometimes I substitute teach and wait tables or do volunteer Spanish/English interpreting at a free clinic. What I should have done was stay in Asia until I saved enough money to move to a big U.S. city and try to make my way back into the U.S. job market that way.

Wow...2008 crisis screwed every profession. I have a feeling the medical profession saw an influx of people at that time. And with the innovation and consolidation across healthcare systems as of late, I can imagine that finding a job is becoming more of a challenge every year.

Student debt is a B! I know some people who left my grad program without a degree and are in your predicament. I'm sorry to hear this.

I get it. You did all the right things; went to all the right schools and still arent where you want to be. I feel that way too despite what you may see as a success story. There's a theme here...

Are there any other careers / industries you would like to try?


At the start of this week, I was thinking a lot about carbon monoxide poisoning.

Are you worried about how it will affect your parents / family? They always say suicide rates are lower in Asian families (excluding India). I always thought it was due to strong family bonds.


I was sad to see you write that you don't want to return to the corporate world. Don't you miss the prestige and the cash and the access to accomplished people? Some days I feel like I would sell my soul for the corporate seal of approval.


I've never been attracted to prestige. I only wanted to be compensated appropriately for my ideas and hard work. I never cared about being around executives. (Who knows maybe that was part of the problem??? ). There's so many people trying to get in good and ride their coattails. I never bothered with that type of stuff because i know thats not an area where I can win.

Its very male dominated with almost no diversity despite all the things you see in media about companies wanting diversity. You have to fit in a box in order to thrive. There are alot of unspoken rules. The rule everyone figures out early is that you cant always be the first to leave at night even if you finished your work. If you do, that lands you on the boss' list for a low bonus or possibly the first to be labeled an underperformer. Another rule: if there is a single woman and a married woman both working in the same area, it is expected that the single woman will have no problem staying late when needed (and its needed alot). And NO--the difference isnt necessarily factored into your compensation. Another example, a man with a family will get a higher bonus than you despite that fact you both hit all your goals. Why? Because hes a man and they know that a happy settled man will be focused and stay around.

Theres also a lot of games they play with you if you dont play ball. In one company, me and a guy each ran the most high profile teams in that division. At one point we were working 18-20 hour days as well as part of the weekend. I remember we both started speaking up for our teams because everyone was getting burned out. Guess what they did? They swapped us both out of our positions and put two people in our roles who didnt even have the background we have. Why? Because they were "yes men". So that left me and the guy with no team. They reassigned us to BS projects as "punishment". He left. I stayed. Then they came back to me offering another high profile project and a new team because they knew I was the only person they had who could do it. How would you feel if that were you? In that world a small handful of men call the shots. Everyone else is just hoping to stay afloat.

I dont miss any of it at all. In fact many of my friends left as soon as they got married. Or they stockpiled cash, left the company, took 1-2 years off, then started independent/ entrepreneurial ventures. In that world most people find themselves stuck chasing the proverbial carrot as @nitrogen mentioned. I'm officially done!
 
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I loved her in Memoirs of a Geisha. She's killing it!
@LMFAO FOCKERS, thank you so much for being curious about my pathetic situation. I read your reply last night at my glamorous night-time hospital job, and I felt as if you had spirited me out of the rubble -- back into the world (e.g., college, high school) when career counselors and coaches and the odd professor was interested in my future and eager to bet on this horse (aka me).

To answer some of your very kind questions, I'm a white broad. I'm not Asian-- just a wannabe. My search for a husband has been color-blind, and my failure to launch can most likely be attributed to my own shortcomings -- impulsive, spazzy behavior, poor time management/money management, blah, blah. The list goes on and on. I like that line from Rolling Stones' "Beast of Burden": "You keep on tellin' me I ain't your kind of man. Ain't I rich enough? Ain't I tough enough? Ain't I rough enough?" Whatever the case, I did not eliminate suitors based on well, anything, I guess. If they were in
terested in me, they were given a chance. I have done some sugaring. I just can't go back to that. It was exhausting and required too much work, and ultimately blew up in my face (fear the unattractive wealthy man with a wounded ego). And, arguably got in the way of my more serious prospects. I haven't done any traditional online dating, but I have met people online. When I lived in Asia, it was almost always in big cities, so socializing was easy. Now that i live in the middle of nowhere, USA, I realize one must be more creative if one wants to meet someone. I am torn between needing to get the EFF out of S. Carolina and my parents' home (i.e., not wanting to put down more roots) and being lonely, uninspired, crushingly poor, and twitching for distraction in the present.
The other SS'er whom I like lives overseas. I met him once when he visited the U.S. We've known each other since late August. I am a older than he is and I guess I thought because of the way we met (e.g., through a suicide website), we could have a non-traditional relationship, and I could be on the fast track to wife- and motherhood without waiting a million years for dudes to see if they liked me. Neither of us is in a position to float the other one, and that is pretty much what needs to happen -- at least for a bit of time-- when one moves to another place to start a life with someone else. I made a valiant effort to find work in his neck o' the woods --even though it was the same country from which my parents had had to rescue me one year prior. I couldn't find work there this time around. You know what I mean, who nowadays is in a position to support someone who doesn't work? I want to work. I need to work. I don't have savings. You know what I mean? Whatever.Which guy wants to take on a broke, older woman? Isn't part of the appeal of the older woman that she has some cash? But, in all seriousness, what kind of a future did I hope to have with someone who actively wants to off himself? But, ol' AzucarAmargo thinks with her panties and not with her head. So, there's that.

I honestly feel my (white) parents would be relieved if I were to ctb. They would be initially inconvenienced and sad, but I truly think they'd be relieved. In fact, I don't think they'd miss one day of work or one of their trips. I don't think my mom would miss a hair appointment, and my dad would still take his daily bike ride and make his morning smoothie. And, they'd finally regain the use of their guest room. They have given up that I will give them any sort of joy. And, sometimes I give up on this, too.

There are many fields I'd like to enter, but as you know, companies aren't interested in people's curiosities or whims . An MBA from a school like Thunderbird School of Global Management was not the ticket I thought it would be to help me transition from clinical-research administration to medical-equipment sales. The economy didn't help, and that I barely graduated by the skin of my teeth, didn't help either (I found the coursework surprisingly challenging.),. But I have a strategy worked out for targeting certain job positions /companies/ geographic locales in which I might have half a chance. I spend a ton of time contorting my C.V. to try to appeal to these companies --- changing my job titles and accomplishments, and the nature of my duties , all the different software programs with which I'm oh-so-familiar, etc., etc., etc. If my strategy proves fruitless , I will be forced to re-pivot, and like get a public-school teaching certificate or strengthen my qualifications as a hospital butt wiper, so I can adjust my expectations and hunker down to make money in the quickest way possible. I will know very soon if/when I will need to re-pivot. My network is kind of weak: most of my international contacts were lovers, or friends I knew through lovers, and when those things fizzle out, it's just awkward. "Hey, remember me? I used to date your friend? Well, I'm still man-less and job-less! Can you help me out?" Also, which men are in the habit of sticking their necks out for women's careers if they're not interested in sleeping with the women? I learned that the hard way. I do have one male friend who is married who has been a great advocate for me and my career, and I'm grateful to him.

I SAVORED your description of the corporate world. So interesting!!!! It really sounded like you were describing a sorority or something. Very nuanced and intriguing portrait. You is kind,. You is smart. You is important. (Did you see that movie? :)) The way you communicate is addictive: all the questions and the way you establish time/place/people so quickly and enticingly. I don't read anymore, and I have no vocabulary. , but your writing is really good at "bouncing back. " I don't even know how to say it. You stay on-topic, and ask questions that really advance the discussion. I don't know how to talk anymore. There are remote opportunities for financial writing. You could do that in a snap. Do you have a blog or something? You should be writing. What about you? What are some of the ideas you've batted about in your head for future work? Do you have a support network? My dad threw around furniture, too. I wish I had your C.V. to call my own, and feed into the meat grinder of these online Applicant Tracking Systems (ATSs).

Thnak you so much, and I hope we can stay in touch. Thank you for lavishing me with such high-quality attention. :) I hope you can extend to yourself the same hopefulness that you did to me.




I loved her in Memoirs of a Geisha. She's killing it!
Yeah, she's amazing. I would love to be her. Actually, I erred. She does have one kid.
 
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I was interested to hear about your exploration into black magic. Very eclectic and cool. Please let me know if you come across any spells that allow for "Freaky Friday"-like body switches. :)
I just read some books on demonology, exorcism, step by step guide for how to safely summon the 72 demons of Goetia to make them do stuff, etc. Each of the demons is proficient in several areas and all of their powers can be used alone or in combination. I tried a few rituals, the results are too amazing to be attributed to coincidences: the gender of my child was revealed the day before her conception; I was told I was gonna get a parking ticket the next day, although the type of violation was off; a family member's end-stage acute myeloid leukemia was miraculously cured. These are what I can think at the top of my head at this moment. There are more.

There are sexual demons, like Beleth and Sitri, that are said can cause, for instance, a named individual to be inflamed with passion for you, to encourage another to yield to the temptations of your seduction, to give you an aura of lustful power, to urge sexual attraction into a calmer and more genuine love, etc. Perhaps you can try to work with them for your man problems.

I've also been looking into the research done by the University of Virginia School of Medicine Division of Perceptual Studies on reincarnation, near-death experiences, psychic abilities. It appears that reincarnation is real - bad news.

I think you're quite employable. There are non-practicing physicians all over the place: You could write for WebMD, consult for big pharma or an HMO, even teach CPR if you wanted. But, that's not the point: I really hope you find something that gives you pleasure and makes you feel good.
My medical career never launched after medical school. The consulting, writing and pharmaceutical jobs require previous experience of working as a physician, which I don't have.

I almost got an internship opportunity at a mortuary earlier this year. I find embalming interesting - the embalmer gets to suck the cadaver's organs out with a big trocar; suture the cadaver's mouth shut, reconstruct a crushed skull, etc. That's the closest thing to what a trauma surgeon gets to do for someone no longer in a medical profession. FYI, I'm not a bat-shit crazy psycho.

Long story short, it's the largest family-owned mortuary in Northern California. The owner was very interested in me during the interview. He asked when I wanted to begin and what kind of work schedule I wanted. Then I mentioned I had to leave work before 4:30pm because I have to pick up my child from daycare. As soon as he heard this, I saw a flicker of disappointment and hesitation pass in his eyes. He said, "Ohh, so you're a mother." Then after a moment of awkward silence, he told me he needs to discuss it with the manager. A couple of days later, he rejected me with the excuse of me being over-qualified. That's just BS! It was totally because I'm the mother of a young child.

One gets accustomed to being ignored/passed over/rejected, and it just kind of continues and sticks on one like dog poop on a shoe. Just like that, I think one gets accustomed to failure. And, it sticks to one like the scent of dog poop on a shoe.
:pfff: This analogy made me cackle, maybe because it's so fitting and I step on dog poop all the time.

And, so I know your life is complicated in a way mine isn't. I just want you to feel good, and I feel honored that you came to this site.
You're so sweet. Reading other people's sad stories don't make me feel good though. I wish the world is a better place for everyone.

Some days I think my situation can be remedied and some days I think it can't.
I've been feeling like this for the past ten years.

I love money and the things it can buy.
The fact (based on scientific research) is, the joy from buying commercial goods almost fades instantly. It feels good when you first get it, but won't last long at all.

However, to not intellectualize too much, I'm gonna add a bit of my own intuition here - Having money doesn't necessarily make people happy, but not having money definitely makes people unhappy.

It also brings to mind the famous Maslow's hierarchy of needs as demonstrated below. Needs lower down in the hierarchy must be satisfied before individuals can attend to needs higher up. As you can see, money can't satisfy all the needs, especially the higher needs.
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What I should have done was stay in Asia until I saved enough money to move to a big U.S. city and try to make my way back into the U.S. job market that way.
Why not go back to Asia and continue teaching? Even if you don't teach/do educational consulting, you can always teach English. Before I immigrated to the US, I was attending school in China obviously. Besides my Chinese English teacher, I also had two English teachers from Canada. They were an old couple in their 60s. My Chinese English teachers taught boring grammar, reading, writing, etc. My Canadian English teachers taught us lyrics in pop songs, trained us on English speaking & listening skills. They had a good time teaching us. Got taken out for dinner by the students' parents all the time.
 
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I just read some books on demonology, exorcism, step by step guide for how to safely summon the 72 demons of Goetia to make them do stuff, etc. Each of the demons is proficient in several areas and all of their powers can be used alone or in combination. I tried a few rituals, the results are too amazing to be attributed to coincidences: the gender of my child was revealed the day before her conception; I was told I was gonna get a parking ticket the next day, although the type of violation was off; a family member's end-stage acute myeloid leukemia was miraculously cured. These are what I can think at the top of my head at this moment. There are more.

There are sexual demons, like Beleth and Sitri, that are said can cause, for instance, a named individual to be inflamed with passion for you, to encourage another to yield to the temptations of your seduction, to give you an aura of lustful power, to urge sexual attraction into a calmer and more genuine love, etc. Perhaps you can try to work with them for your man problems.

I'm totally sold. This is right p my alley. Hearing about your success with these spells gave me such comfort. Thank you for telling me.

I've also been looking into the research done by the University of Virginia School of Medicine Division of Perceptual Studies on reincarnation, near-death experiences, psychic abilities. It appears that reincarnation is real - bad news.


My medical career never launched after medical school. The consulting, writing and pharmaceutical jobs require previous experience of working as a physician, which I don't have.

Residency or no residency, if you have that piece of paper, you are a hot commodity. . I'd be thrilled to take a break from my own dismal job search to find you some opportunities to keep your spirits up., and remind you that if you could get through med school, you are not at a loss.

I almost got an internship opportunity at a mortuary earlier this year. I find embalming interesting - the embalmer gets to suck the cadaver's organs out with a big trocar; suture the cadaver's mouth shut, reconstruct a crushed skull, etc. That's the closest thing to what a trauma surgeon gets to do for someone no longer in a medical profession. FYI, I'm not a bat-shit crazy psycho.

Long story short, it's the largest family-owned mortuary in Northern California. The owner was very interested in me during the interview. He asked when I wanted to begin and what kind of work schedule I wanted. Then I mentioned I had to leave work before 4:30pm because I have to pick up my child from daycare. As soon as he heard this, I saw a flicker of disappointment and hesitation pass in his eyes. He said, "Ohh, so you're a mother." Then after a moment of awkward silence, he told me he needs to discuss it with the manager. A couple of days later, he rejected me with the excuse of me being over-qualified. That's just BS! It was totally because I'm the mother of a young child.


:pfff: This analogy made me cackle, maybe because it's so fitting and I step on dog poop all the time.

It's supposed to be good luck, right? This happens in Paris, too, apparently. Lot sof stepping in dog pop.


You're so sweet. Reading other people's sad stories don't make me feel good though. I wish the world is a better place for everyone.


I've been feeling like this for the past ten years.


The fact (based on scientific research) is, the joy from buying commercial goods almost fades instantly. It feels good when you first get it, but won't last long at all.

However, to not intellectualize too much, I'm gonna add a bit of my own intuition here - Having money doesn't necessarily make people happy, but not having money definitely makes people unhappy.

It also brings to mind the famous Maslow's hierarchy of needs as demonstrated below. Needs lower down in the hierarchy must be satisfied before individuals can attend to needs higher up. As you can see, money can't satisfy all the needs, especially the higher needs.
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Why not go back to Asia and continue teaching? Even if you don't teach/do educational consulting, you can always teach English. Before I immigrated to the US, I was attending school in China obviously. Besides my Chinese English teacher, I also had two English teachers from Canada. They were an old couple in their 60s. My Chinese English teachers taught boring grammar, reading, writing, etc. My Canadian English teachers taught us lyrics in pop songs, trained us on English speaking & listening skills. They had a good time teaching us. Got taken out for dinner by the students' parents all the time.
That is so cool! I love reading stories about your famiily's wealth. II feel like I failed in China; t's just too humiliating to be a single, aging Laowai there who is not working for a good company. People think you are weird and wonder why you don't have kids and you're just all alone. That Canadian couple had each other. I'm amazed they were allowed to have remained in China for so long. I have played with the idea of going back to China, but I don't know. Without a GREAT job It'd just be too hard to re-brand myself, and face my former students and all the contacts I managed to make there. But, thank you for having confidence in me.
He said, "Ohh, so you're a mother." Then after a moment of awkward silence, he told me he needs to discuss it with the manager. A couple of days later, he rejected me with the excuse of me being over-qualified. That's just BS! It was totally because I'm the mother of a young child.
This is total discrimination, and it's illegal. I feel like you could bring him to court if you wanted. Shocking.
I almost got an internship opportunity at a mortuary earlier this year. I find embalming interesting - the embalmer gets to suck the cadaver's organs out with a big trocar; suture the cadaver's mouth shut, reconstruct a crushed skull, etc. That's the closest thing to what a trauma surgeon gets to do for someone no longer in a medical profession. FYI, I'm not a bat-shit crazy psycho
Are you kidding? Dead people are where it's at! I would love to be a funeral director. I'd much rather deal with cadavers than the unsolvable, interminable problems of live patients. The whole point I'm trying to make is I don't think it'd be weird to work in mortuary services. If I were you, I wouldn't give up on this. I would be tempted to kind of threaten that funeral home with a lawsuit, and get yourself into an internship that suits your needs and some money. But, there are other fish in the sea, I don't mean that it was your only chance.
 
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I asked why my husband is attracted to me...
When I first met my husband, ...
There are a bunch of other silly things I've done that just turn my hubby on...

I think you are just "lucky". You found a good one very early on. I think it also helps that you weren't bogged down with a lot of issues that could negatively affect your decision-making. There is a certain naiveté that can be attractive and sweet. It makes a man want to take care of you.

I had many male friends that were cool with me, half of which just wanted to f* me. The men I chose to date were those open to relationships. Unfortunately most of them were not ambitious. The handful that were ambitious, I didnt find "perfectly" attractive. If I knew then what I know now I probably would have dated one of these. I didnt know how to date slowly though; in order to give the relationship time to blossom. I learned that later in life.



So perhaps ask your friend to try a creepy story as pickup line instead of changing cars all the time to attract high net worth men. I'm not saying it'll definitely work since I actually don't have much experience with men. Despite countless men wanted to f*** me, including my college career counselor, I've only had sexual relationships with two men - my ex-bf and my hubby. I didn't even have sex with my first ex-bf.

The cars are not to attract the guys. She's just into cars. I think its one of those situations that happens when you grow up poor. Once you get a little money, you want to have everything because it makes you feel good. For her it is cars and clothes. For me it was just clothes. (surprise, surprise :hihi: )



So perhaps ask your friend to try a creepy story as pickup line instead of changing cars all the time to attract high net worth men. I'm not saying it'll definitely work since I actually don't have much experience with men. Despite countless men wanted to f*** me, including my college career counselor, I've only had sexual relationships with two men - my ex-bf and my hubby. I didn't even have sex with my first ex-bf.


When you get older dating becomes complicated. Creepy stories are not the first order of business. Oh how I wish it were that simple! **sigh**
I dont even bother talking about dating anymore. I gave it up a few years ago. I started to realize there was a theme. I seem to attract the same type of guy: precoccupied / dismissive avoidant


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You're one of the most interesting ppl I've conversed with. There're other things I want to share with you and ask you, but I don't have time to write posts on weekends when my toddler is at home.


Thank you. It feels good to chat with someone who has as much of a nerdy side as I do...



How are your two siblings faring? I bet they aren't as high achieving as you are.

One is unhappily married with 2 kids and struggling a bit with money. Of course my parents funded all of her college failures year after year until she finally finished. It then took her five years of applying to get into grad school with scholarship but she failed out. Then she tried another two years to get back in. Hopefully it will work out this time.

The other has always lived with my parents. She has multiple degrees but has struggled to find herself. She's always worked in jobs that pay 1/3-1/2 of what she was worth, instead of just asserting herself and leaving. As a result she also works a night job too. I think her first 2 degrees she was chasing what I had but now she's finally pursuing another degree in an area that is better suited to her strengths.

I dont want to say anything bad about them. They have been brainwashed by my parents to think something is wrong with me so my relationship with each of them is tentative at best. I have severed 95% of my ties with them. We rarely speak.



Aww. :aw: I wish I can give you a hug (only after you shower, lol). I'm a germaphobe, too. It takes me 15 minutes to brush my teeth each time. PS, I always ask my hubby to take a shower and brush his teeth before we engage in anything intimate. He whines about no spontaneity and calls me a buzz killer - I won't budge.

Thanks for the sentiment. It is much appreciated... I agree about the showering before intimacy...I'm the same way! :pfff:



We hired a live-in nanny when our child was younger and was unable to sleep through the night. Our personal space was already invaded by the child, having another person live with us to further invade our personal space was unbearable. So as soon as I felt that I could handle our child alone, we let the nanny go. Daycare is a better solution in the way that not only do we get some personal space back, but also the child gets to play with kids of her age.

I totally get it. Maybe try a daytime nanny to sub-in 2 days a week. I think you need a break. Healthy mom = healthy hubby/kid
 
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During my time out of work I tried to become a more aggressive, active investor to generate annual income. Things worked out at first then last year things took a turn for the worst. I lost a considerable amount of money. I also lost half of my retirement funds. Despite losing alot I dont have regrets. I learned a chit load of stuff.

Equities. Teaching myself momentum investing. Market volatility was unreal. Money lost = education. Wouldn't happen again. I understand it well now and have a good sense of risk management.
I don't mean to dispense unwanted investment advice to patronize you. It's just that based on what you wrote about your current financial situation, it seems that you can't afford to learn as you go while paying expensive tuition. I hope you can quickly work out a sustainable strategy that allows you to successfully work your way up to #3 (make $ from $).

We've been in the longest bull market in history. Almost every investor is a good investor in a bull market. Many people who've made decent investment returns during the past decade develop this false sense that if they continue their current strategy, they'll continue to make money. This is a very common delusion among investors.

Say your portfolio is worth 100K. You suffer a 50% loss - now your portfolio is worth 50K. To bring it back to 100K, you have to make a 200% gain, not 50% gain. So downward protection is much more important than an upward growth potential in a volatile market and a bear market. Many people have been overlooking the importance of downward protection in this bull market.

We're not heading into a recession yet, despite the media has been fearmongering for years. Before any major recession, there had always been a bubble. Every American knows about the Great Depression, but most don't know what came right before the Great Depression - the roaring 20s, when everybody was super optimistic about the economy and masses of average citizens began buying stocks by the bundle. Their enthusiasm carried the Dow Jones industrial average from around 100 in 1924 to nearly 400 by mid-1929.

Another thing you need to be aware of is passive investment vs active investment. Most fund managers and financial advisors out there can't consistently beat the market. When also taking into account an annual advisory fee of around 1% they charge, passive investment might make more sense. However, some financial advisors have access to investment products or services that are only available to institutional investors, which often provide a better yield than those also available to retail investors.

Don't take advice from those so-called "investment advisors" who work at, say, Bank of America or Wells Fargo branches. If they're so good at investment, they wouldn't be making a living mainly on their 100K (+ or -) salaries.

I wouldn't say I'm an investment pro. There's just too much to learn. But since my hubby's company develops financial products and work with Wall St bankers, we get helpful tips. We also have a financial advisor who does stock market investment for us. She's on the Forbe's list of America's Top Wealth Advisors and also manages Stanford's endowment.
Would you have considered dating a Saudi man?
Haha. I'm sure @azucaramargo will be better of with an Asian man. I don't think an American woman would feel comfortable with being treated like an object or personal belonging or share a husband with other women. I remember seeing a video made by a Saudi Arabian family therapist on how to beat a wife properly. I could be making a racially insensitive generalization. I have little interest in learning about other cultures that have nothing to do with me, especially those with uncivilized barbaric practices.
 
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Wow...2008 crisis screwed every profession.
That is so cool! I love reading stories about your famiily's wealth.

I have done some sugaring. I just can't go back to that. It was exhausting and required too much work, and ultimately blew up in my face
My father's legend ended with the 2008 financial crisis. His business took a huge hit. He lost the mansion. Faced death threats. His biggest clients filed bankruptcy and owed him millions. He'll never return to his previous glory - many opportunities only come once in a lifetime.

Even before the financial crisis, I didn't really live a luxury life. I had been a student too busy with schoolwork. I had to wear a school uniform every day. My school prohibited us from wearing makeup, putting our hair down, dating, wearing nail polish, getting piercings, dying hair, etc. I ate school meals like everybody else. I guess the only times when I enjoyed my family wealth was when I saw a grand piano that cost 40K and really wanted it, my father bought it for me on the spot, but there weren't many examples like this.

My college career counselor, also a visiting professor, attempted to make me his sugar baby. He was married and had his wedding pic on his office desk. I went to seek advice on polishing my resume and picking a major. He basically re-wrote my entire resume for me and asked me to go to lunch with him. At first, I thought he was just being nice and lunch sounded casual. But midterm was coming up and I postponed making lunch plan with him. Then one day, I was walking in the street, with a box of Chik-fil-A chicken nuggets in my hand, didn't see him at all. He grabbed my wrist and dragged me to the side, pressed against me and asked when we're going to lunch. I freaked out, dropped the chicken nuggets on the ground, hightailed away, starved throughout my exams that afternoon. :eh:
 
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My father's legend ended with the 2008 financial crisis. His business took a huge hit. He lost the mansion. Faced death threats. His biggest clients filed bankruptcy and owed him millions. He'll never return to his previous glory - many opportunities only come once in a lifetime.

Even before the financial crisis, I didn't really live a luxury life. I had been a student too busy with schoolwork. I had to wear a school uniform every day. My school prohibited us from wearing makeup, putting our hair down, dating, wearing nail polish, getting piercings, dying hair, etc. I ate school meals like everybody else. I guess the only times when I enjoyed my family wealth was when I saw a grand piano that cost 40K and really wanted it, my father bought it for me on the spot, but there weren't many examples like this.

My college career counselor, also a visiting professor, attempted to make me his sugar baby. He was married and had his wedding pic on his office desk. I went to seek advice on polishing my resume and picking a major. He basically re-wrote my entire resume for me and asked me to go to lunch with him. At first, I thought he was just being nice and lunch sounded casual. But midterm was coming up and I postponed making lunch plan with him. Then one day, I was walking in the street, with a box of Chik-fil-A chicken nuggets in my hand, didn't see him at all. He grabbed my wrist and dragged me to the side, pressed against me and asked when we're going to lunch. I freaked out, dropped the chicken nuggets on the ground, hightailed away, starved throughout my exams that afternoon. :eh:
WTF???? Jeez! That makes me so mad! Talk about taking advantage of someone vulnerable! GOD! So inappropriate.

If you don't mind my asking, how have your parents managed the change in financial status? Are they safe now? How have they had to make adjust their lifestyle, if you don't mind?

I ask because my parents experienced a kind of similar reversal of fortune, and they have adjusted quite well to it. But, I -- their 41-year-old spinster daughter -- am the one who is bitter and resentful about the scaled-back lifestyle.

For me personally, going from riches to rags (you know what I mean-- having more to having less) is psychologically VERY difficult.

In one of your recent posts, you wrote something so astute --something like, "We all need a self image with which we can live." Something like that. You said it much better, but based on your parents' experience do you have any tips on how to gracefully adapt to having fewer funds at one's disposal? Because it affects everything, right? The way we look, the places we can go, the people with whom we can break bread.

Do you have any advice on making peace with a less privileged version of oneself? I know there's the Chinese expression about "eating bitter" (i.e., never straying too far from austerity in one's habits). I don't even know how to say it in Chinese. But, I am guilty of TOTALLY having lost the ability to "eat bitter," in times of peace and plenty.

As always, I'm honored to hear about your life, and I would be grateful for any advice you would like to pass along.

Lots o' Love, nitrogen



I loved hearing about your grand piano! That was a grand gesture indeed!
 
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@nitrogen I appreciate your concern. I am well versed in the numbers so no worries. There are a whole bunch of BS theories such as efficient markets hypothesis and other nonsense, none of which I subscribe to. I dont listen to advisors / investment managers nor have I done so in the past. Most have garbage CFPs and they make money charging a ~2% management fee despite their lackluster returns. Large funds cant beat the market because they move too much money and put prices against themselves. However smaller investors can. Why? Because big boys leave a print of what they do which is easily seen using volume price analysis. If you understand character change, moving averages, gaps, bases, consolidations, price vulnerability, psychological price points, closing prices, market psychology and where the big boys are huddled you can profit off of their footprint.

You must also understand the tape. Prices move in a specific fashion from the XX.20's to the XX.50's to the XX.80's and back down in the opposite fashion depending on pricing support found in these areas. The overall trend moves in a stair step or wave like pattern so you must be positioned to handle pullbacks. Dark pools hit the tape on an intraday basis. These transactions provide insight into the direction of the next big move.

The big boys often falsely move markets by buying and selling the ETFs that mimic the indices. I am not a day trader so that does not concern me. I am looking for the medium-term trend in an overall chart.

I look at thousands of charts every week. Many stocks with considerable velocity double within 3-6 months. Therein lies opportunity.

I have beat the market in the past. And I know others that do so annually. This is not theory or fake hype. I can call out specific investments with well timed entries and exits. No one perfectly times the top or bottom however there are clues on when to exit based on what I'd call abnormal activity. The job of a momo investor is to ride a trend for the meat of a move, not to be greedy. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Investing comes down to four things: strategy, discipline, risk management and psychology. If any one of those are off you will fail. Its as simple as that. I know what went wrong. When I switched strategies I needed to implement new risk management boundaries. Anyone who studies their mistakes they can fix them. Its nothing different than what the greats such as Livermore, Darvis, Drukennmiller, Ryan and countless modern day hedge fund legends have done in the past. As accomplished multimillionaires / billionaires Dalio and Soros have stories of trashing their accounts too! Its all par for the course.

I dont listen to pundits. They are nothing more than talking heads who know nothing about market mechanics. I look at what the market is doing as well as the economic climate. The market has been in the same place for the past two years. It went through successive corrections each of which tightened leading to the most recent breakout. Semis are leading the pack. Earnings season is almost past which was overall favorable. And the bad news has already been factored into the numbers. So now the fun begins...

Because the market is a leading indicator, we are about to head up into the biggest run up over the next year that will likely end in a nasty blow-off top and an ugly historic correction. Main street is going to get screwed real hard this time and Central Banks will have no tools to adjust based on the haphazard way they have been conducting monetary policy. There will be a point that precious metals will likely run up because they will need a currency that is fixed. Every government has been devaluing their currency by overprinting. All of these have happened at various points in history. If you study the great depression, black monday, dot bomb, the financial crisis as well as all the the smaller corrections in between you will see that similar things have happened in the past. It may not look exactly the same but there will be a rhythm/rhyme to it all.

Anyway, it has been great chatting with you. I will be weening off this site soon. I hope things work out for you. All the best.:hug:
 
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@nitrogen

Wow, relentless thought provoking statements, you caused me to finally make an account!!!

I wonder if this way of operating relates to the medical education system (+ similar academic or business environments). There are too many reactions and questions for a single post but I'll start rambling. Much of what is written feels familiar but I come from a somewhat different perspective. Hope none of my comments are too challenging, I'm curious and intentions are good :). You are quite intriguing, love the honesty.

  • Why did you want to go into medicine? Despite generally disliking people, do you like helping them, did it make you feel good about yourself or your life compared to now?


  • You mention competitiveness between people in many forms and a distaste for it. The environment you live in where this is accentuated. Lack of respect for those who don't meet your intellectual standards and lots of value based comparisons along these lines. Even how owners of the company only have their master's. However, you also mentioned the desire to carry a nonjudgmental perspective. Could this be part of a problem? Despite many external factors being seemingly as you want, there is a disconnect.

  • Genetic predisposition is a hell of an opponent. Always wondered why my mind jumped to suicide whenever anything went wrong since I was a little kid. Lifetime of conditioning... Would be surprised if you don't know but my newish neuroscience textbook cited a specific gene linked to completed suicides. Idk if we'll ever get data for a genetic link to ideation or depression with ideation.

  • Competent shrinks will point out over intellectualization as a barrier to connecting with life including your daughter (won't be able to fake meeting her needs forever although bet you're better than most moms in this spot due to all that research + being conscientious). It's clear this is your area of comfort and an easy "abc" default defense mechanism. The good therapist will piss you off but rapport will exist. I think you absolutely will run over shitty shrinks. And there's no need for your therapist to have all the answers, read those studies, share your views or be an intellectual equal in order to help. Getting hung up on that will be counterproductive (Besides might need to extend your search globally or into the next lifetime if so :D). You're looking for someone who is an expert in emotions and people to balance out where you need help, much different than acing the educational system. If I were you age would also be a consideration, 40's or 50's.

  • UVA studies on afterlife and reincarnation are no joke :(. My therapist is involved in them + someone I'd trust with even my dogs life.

You wrote a lot!! Am tired but will go back over the thread to see what else I missed. Thoughtful discussion.


A little on where I'm coming from... 35 male hope to start med school in a year or 2 to become a psychiatrist. Dealt with depression most of my life... sexual trauma at young age and again at 29 by a doctor who had prescribed me to 9 (ugh) different medications at the time. I was so comfortable with suicide back then, just biding a little time however the doctor incident ended up saving me. It infuriated and motivated me to pursue the current path. Not to figure out myself, but prevent someone else from going through the same. A few months ago had a car accident due to fainting while driving. Got 2nd serious concussion bringing me back to depression and suicidal infatuation for the 1st time in 5 years. Looking at starting to study for MCAT again but don't know if my body will hold up to med school and come out the other side as the healer I want to be. Already experienced material success and found it fruitless after a while. Helping other people as a doctor turned out to be the one thing I felt I could do for a lifetime and feel fulfilled (no worries... not as some 15 min/patient script dispenser. Further no worries... will probably never make it). Am with you, would drop the struggle if it only affected me but I've done too much research on the impact towards family members and am not ready to push that preexisting condition on them.
 
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This has been a wonderful, eye opening thread for me so may I express my profound thanks to all contributors (esp. nitro, lmfao, azucara) I have written elsewhere about the power of the honestly written word to carry you into different worlds, and to enable you to feel something of those worlds - this thread has done that for me.

Depression, the desire to CBT, strikes across boundaries, cross-cuts all social , econmic and class markers. Reading this forum (and threads like this) shows me that time and again, and perhaps perversely comforts me. I am not alone and I can share. I'm so pleased to have found here.
 
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  • Why did you want to go into medicine? Despite generally disliking people, do you like helping them, did it make you feel good about yourself or your life compared to now?
@Secrets1 I was fascinated by biological entities, not just humans. How trillions of cells that derive and differentiate from a fertilized egg coordinate and form a sentient being capable of moving around and reacting to surrounding environmental stimuli. Also how that anything so remarkable as the state of consciousness comes about as the result of irritating nervous tissue.

I found it funny that people try hard to present themselves nicely on the outside with hours spent on putting on makeup, doing hair, painting nails, picking out pretty outfits per day, but they are clueless about what they look like underneath that layer of skin. I wanted to peek inside.

So my top two choices were neurosurgeon and trauma surgeon. My childhood hobby of twisting off crab's legs one by one to see how its mobility is affected and dissecting roadkills made me believe I was born to be a surgeon.

Helping people is a nice byproduct of working as a surgeon, but definitely was not the main motivation behind me gravitating toward that profession. PS, there's always a possibility that heaven is real. If helping people gives me a ticket to heaven, why not.

There're many people like me in med school. Don't be shocked at my quirks. It takes a certain type of person to be a surgeon. Trust me, you don't want to hear about the jokes surgeons make on patients under general anesthesia. Medical examiners are the shining stars nobody can compete with.

But at med school interviews, always say you want to help people or want to make the world a better place or want to make a positive impact; fabricate stories that can't be proved fake, practice on your puppy eye expression.

Lack of respect for those who don't meet your intellectual standards and lots of value based comparisons along these lines. Even how owners of the company only have their master's. However, you also mentioned the desire to carry a nonjudgmental perspective.
What I mean by I don't judge people is that I don't put labels on or make assumptions about people based on limited info they reveal about themselves. Also, I'd rather believe the predicaments that people face are due to external uncontrollable factors (ie, childhood trauma, being unlucky) rather than their intrinsic traits (ie, being lazy and stupid) before I learn more about them personally. With that being said, me not judge people is far from me wanting to invite them to my house for dinner.

There's more to intelligence than brains and logic. For instance, social, wisdom, musical, bodily-kinesthetic, etc. So I could find an LSD cooker with only a high school diploma more interesting than some brainiac phD living out his/her life in a lab. IQ and academic degrees don't take into account many dimensions of intelligence.

The people who bore me will find me boring - the feeling is usually mutual. The less people have in common, the less they approve of each other, the less they interest each other.

My husband is one of the 3 owners of the company who only have masters degrees, although most of their employees have more advanced degrees. I wrote that in response to what @azucaramargo said that she foolishly thought more education would mean better job opportunities, prestigious positions and higher earning.

I'll get to your other questions and my thoughts on your aspiration of becoming a psychiatrist a bit later. I've been caught up by some errands.
@azucaramargo I'll get to your questions and posts a bit later, too.
 
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OP do you happen to be a sociopath or have tendencies? I don't know if you have mentioned it, I didn't read all posts, but quite a few. You mention things like not being able to truly feel for your kid and just pretend, playing with roadkill and ripping off crab legs as a child. Also kind of the tone you describe thing seem a bit muted with little empathy. Anyway just curious if this might be something that's making your depression worse.
 
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OP do you happen to be a sociopath or have tendencies? I don't know if you have mentioned it, I didn't read all posts, but quite a few. You mention things like not being able to truly feel for your kid and just pretend, playing with roadkill and ripping off crab legs as a child. Also kind of the tone you describe thing seem a bit muted with little empathy. Anyway just curious if this might be something that's making your depression worse.
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