Story I hate being a man so MUCH. Society will evolve past the need for us soon. Fucking GOOD. Nobody deserves to live life as a fucking male. SHITSHOW

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Apologies if I came across as insulting, I didn't mean to do that. But the point I was trying to make is in reality men struggle to get into industries like the teaching profession etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/sunday-review/why-dont-more-men-go-into-teaching.html

The Hidden Bias Against Male Teachers

Male teachers are not seen as teachers first and foremost. We’re the enforcers of school rules. And it’s driving so many of us from the field or discouraging even more from entering it in the first…

gadflyonthewallblog.com

Ok s/ thre r sexst gendr norms whch cn mke thngs dffclt fr mn -- tht = nt th/ sme as 'womn gangng up & pushng thm out' tho

Th/ sme claim cld b mde abt womn b-ing pushd out of STEM creers b/ men bcs thre r fewr womn in thse jbs bt agn am sre tht th/ trth b-hnd th/ numbrs = mch mre complx thn tht

= nt as smple as a charctr assassnatn of th/ oppste gendr

 

[losing hope]

Ok s/ thre r sexst gendr norms whch cn mke thngs dffclt fr mn -- tht = nt th/ sme as 'womn gangng up & pushng thm out' tho

Th/ sme claim cld b mde abt womn b-ing pushd out of STEM creers b/ men bcs thre r fear womn in thse jbs bt agn am sre tht th/ trth b-hnd th/ numbrs = mch mre complx thn tht

= nt as smple as a charctr assassnatn of th/ oppste gendr

The men being pushed out of the teaching industry claim came from a Mind Charity worker whom I spoke to when I was in "crisis". That was his lived experienced and confirmed here;

"Working as one of two males in the school (the other being the gym teacher of course) wasn't much of a shock to me. I had studied Kindergarten-Elementary education at McGill University in a cohort of 164 students - 160 of them were girls. To most university guys this probably sounds like a dream, but it wasn't. I played varsity football at McGill and had little time to socialize with my classmates, as a result I was not really part of the different cliques that formed. This didn't bother me, but it should have raised a red flag about the career I had chosen. Teaching in an elementary school is literally a "girls' club"."

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/workplace-inequality-why-time-men-push-gender-equality-philip-cutler/

I accept that the opposite is probably true in male dominated industries. But that isn't the title of this thread. And I would be very happy to see a thread discussing women issues there. I also accept things are sometimes more complicated than this.

 

[Lookingtoflyfree]

"Men like us are going to suffer. I don't understand why women look down on me. They must have very high standards or something cause all they do is reject and shame me :/"

"Hi. I am a woman and I don't want men to torture themselves and pretend to be people they're not just to uphold an idea of masculinity that they think I value! I would prefer they were themselves and were on equal ground with me, actually. Maybe this idea you have that women want you to be a certain idea of masculinity is what's hurting you?"

"Stupid woman. You didn't address any of my alpha male points. Jordan Peterson was right and I have won yet another argument against these women who undervalue me. Tch. This is why I suffer, from my sheer intelligence and empathy..."

I applaud this - so well done.

There's a lot of misogyny that is really worrisome in this thread and I hope the mods lock this.

I mean, putting aside the hatred here, the part about the wage gap not being a problem is absolutely false:

5 Fast Facts: The Gender Wage Gap

Here are five fast facts about the gender wage gap.

blog.dol.gov

The Enduring Grip of the Gender Pay Gap

The pay gap between men and women has barely closed in the past two decades, even as women today are more likely than men to have graduated from college, suggesting other factors are at play.

www.pewresearch.org

The Simple Truth About the Gender Pay Gap: AAUW Report

Over half a century after pay discrimination became illegal in the United States, a persistent pay gap between men and women continues to hurt our nation’s workers and our national economy.

www.aauw.org

Gender wage gap persists in 2023: Women are paid roughly 22% less than men on average

March 12 is Equal Pay Day, a reminder that there is still a significant pay gap between men and women in our country. The date represents how far into 2024 women would have to work on top of the hours they worked in 2023 simply to match what men were paid in 2023. Women were…

www.epi.org

The rest of the things like 'women tend to put in less effort into things in general' is really, really disturbing to read.

For the men on this site, I ask that if you feel the need to vent about gender related issues that are going to be lies about women, that you can do that on Reddit or 4chan or whatever site you wish. While you're on a board that is open to all of us, you have absolutely no right to post inflammatory content about women. For context, I've had some bad experiences with men, but I'm also not starting a post saying men are garbage because that's just not true - there are good men and bad men.

I ask that the mods lock this thread No good will come from the arguing that's going to ensue and as a woman on this site leaving this content up is condoning misogyny. Women and non-binary people have a right to be on this site without seeing posts full of lies and outright sexism about women.

For the OP please note I will not engage and argue with you on this; I've flagged the thread and the mods can decide. You don't need to do the line by line thing. I won't respond to any of it. For the mods, if you want women to feel safe enough to stay on this community you can make a decision - lock the thread and send a message that sexism won't be tolerated, or do nothing and let the misogyny continue.

 

[anhedonya]

Honestly I'm not surprised that these threads never get taken down. This site was started by incels in the first place- and many others like it. Its roots aren't exactly clean. But it is greatly disappointing that even on the singular site where I am allowed to discuss my suicidal thoughts and upcoming CTB plan without having cops called on me, I still have to encounter misogyny. Like, this is a place for actual pain and suffering, you know? Everyone struggles with dating, it's a normal human thing. Why do these guys always have to turn it into some woe is me "I am suffering because I do not get the privilege of being stalked at night after I smiled at a guy" thing? Maybe if your personality wasn't so bad you might have a loving wife lolll

 

[Sunshine]

What a strange intel-tier rant... the average woman is dating or married to the average man.
How does this fit into your "YOU HAVE TO BE IN THE 10% ELITE OF MEN, RICH TALL JACKED 10 INCH DICK, TO EVEN GET A WOMAN LOOK AT YOU"-narrative?

Or the fact that women are far more often depressed or anxious than men, biologically speaking? The reason why men die from suicide more often despite that is because they have less fear holding them back (a male brain advantage, I guess) so they pick brutal methods that guarantee death and women don't.

 

[Jorms_McGander]

But that isn't the title of this thread.

You can't hold the title of this thread as any sort of hallmark of a reasoned, well-measured, or well-thought out discussion.

 

[glossble]

First of all I'm sorry you feel this way! As a woman who is also suicidal, I want to say that there is not much help for women as well as for men. We are all suffering here, just in different ways :c
There is no point in arguing with each other and blaming each other for our problems. Dating is hard af for everyone nowadays. No money, no time, it's harder to connect with other people in general. People don't have time to meet with their loved ones, let alone someone they don't know who could become their partner in the future. If you think women don't have to jump through the hoops while meeting someone, you're absolutely wrong. If you think that all of us expect a man to pay for us, you're absolutely wrong. If you think there are no million demands women must meet, you're absolutely wrong. And so on...
We're all suffering, just in different ways

Much love, and I hope you find the love of your life one day ❤

 

[Davey36000]

Bro don't bother about this male stereotype crap, anyone with a working brain knows it's just bullshit lol.

 

[halleyscomet]

It is difficult for both sexes to find companionship, but no one has it worse, even if they did who cares? - I don't think this is the place to discuss that.
I really feel for OP, I do notice a lot of women have unrealistically high expectations for men and it is not right. However unfortunately, I really do think it's the case of finding the right girl. Generalising all women as acting the same way or wanting the same thing isn't helpful. Besides, if a girl is inconsiderate of the efforts you are putting in, why would you want to date her anyways?

It is really hard to find the right person, but there are girls out there who will like you just as you are. You might find that condescending, but it's true. There are over 8 billion people in this world and I highly doubt you're that insufferable that 0% of the female population will ever like you. It really is the case of putting your best foot forward and hoping for the best, and I wish you all the best of luck with that.

Both women and men have unrealistic expectations placed on them by society, but it doesn't mean everyone follows that rule or should. If someone doesn't like you for who you are, they are not worth your time. Don't pretend to be someone you're not, I promise you that it will only backfire long term and it is not worth the energy to pretend to be someone else for someone who won't appreciate it. You don't need to be this stereotype of a man, be who you are and own it.

At the end of the day women don't owe you their time, and you don't owe women pretending to be someone you're not. Be as you are, be content with yourself, that's more important then any relationship you could have.

 

[AmericanMary]

pick the bear 100%

 

[anhedonya]

pick the bear 100%

No literally. They get so mad about it but this is how they talk about women lol. This is what they think- we're just dolls going through life without a care in the world and everything about us ties to men somehow. No care for struggling or gay women, neither of those ideas even exist to them. I'd rather be chased by a pack of hungry rabid dogs.

 

[AmericanMary]

No literally. They get so mad about it but this is how they talk about women lol. This is what they think- we're just dolls going through life without a care in the world and everything about us ties to men somehow. No care for struggling or gay women, neither of those ideas even exist to them. I'd rather be chased by a pack of hungry rabid dogs.

Literally same. I am not joking in the slightest when I say id rather be chased and eaten by a bear, who is doing as nature intended, then take a chance of being a toy in some sick man's game.

 

[Sylveon]

Wow, this thread is a complete shitshow...

 

[Dot]

Honestly I'm not surprised that these threads never get taken down. This site was started by incels in the first place- and many others like it. Its roots aren't exactly clean. But it is greatly disappointing that even on the singular site where I am allowed to discuss my suicidal thoughts and upcoming CTB plan without having cops called on me, I still have to encounter misogyny. Like, this is a place for actual pain and suffering, you know? Everyone struggles with dating, it's a normal human thing. Why do these guys always have to turn it into some woe is me "I am suffering because I do not get the privilege of being stalked at night after I smiled at a guy" thing?

Th/ thred ws kpt up bcse mods undrstd tht a persn wantd t/ vnt wth strggles tht thy xpernce b-ing mle

= Nt alwys easy t/ dcide whthr t/ tke dwn a thred whch startd bcse of strggles tht sme1 ws xperncng & = rght tht innaccur8 commnts wre challngd

Warnngs hve bn givn out fr genrlisatns & sexst commnts & thred hs bn lockd bcse = obvs tht = ws turnng in2 a sexst dumpstr fre

Maybe if your personality wasn't so bad you might have a loving wife lolll

Agn ths = persnl attck on a usr & thse r nt accptble eithr - u d/ nt nt knw ths usr persnlty s/ fls as tho a commnt ws mde basd on assumptns of a specfc grp of mn - pls rfrain frm persnl & mockng commnts lke tht 1

Or the fact that women are far more often depressed or anxious than men, biologically speaking? The reason why men die from suicide more often despite that is because they have less fear holding them back (a male brain advantage, I guess) so they pick brutal methods that guarantee death and women don't.

Agn pls d/ nt mke commnts lke thse unlss thy r goin2 b backd up

Reducng b-havrs dwn t/ biolgy = agn genrlisd & opns up t/ mre sexst commnts - plnty of rsearch shws tht b-havrs & dsordrs r affctd b/ mny mre factrs thn jst biolgy

Tht = all tht wll b sd rgadrng ths thred