Venting I fucking hate transphobia so much

[Dot]

Mkay I don't feel comfortable with the thought of chemically castrating children and don't know why you're so fixated on them getting drugs instead of regular therapy but okay.

"Insted of"

If u thnk tht all gendr dysphria wll jst b fixd wth therpy thn u d/ nt undrstnd gendr dysphria

 

[coolgal82]

"Insted of"

If u thnk tht all gendr dysphria wll jst b fixd wth therpy thn u d/ nt undrstnd gendr dysphria

Exactly lmao if it could be fixed with therapy then i'd be all over that i fucking wish it could be lmao transitioning is annoying and not fun but its better than not doing it still atleast

 

[yowai]

"Insted of"

If u thnk tht all gendr dysphria wll jst b fixd wth therpy thn u d/ nt undrstnd gendr dysphria

I do since I thought I was trans myself and starved to get rid of my boobs. Turns out I was just autistic and it's normal to hate your body during puberty, doesn't mean you have to get on meds that might disturb hormones and get side effects even after changing your mind.

 

[Dot]

I do since I thought I was trans myself and starved to get rid of my boobs. Turns out I was just autistic and it's normal to hate your body during puberty, doesn't mean you have to get on meds that might disturb hormones and get side effects even after changing your mind.

Ok - = gd tht u wre givn propr treatmnt bt nt evry1 wll hve th/ sme undr-lyng causs tht u hd

= gd tht ur undrlyng causs wre identfid b4 reachng medcatn stge bt tht ds nt say tht medcatns wld nt b appropri8 fr othr ppl

 

[coolgal82]

I do since I thought I was trans myself and starved to get rid of my boobs. Turns out I was just autistic and it's normal to hate your body during puberty, doesn't mean you have to get on meds that might disturb hormones and get side effects even after changing your mind.

Hating your body during puberty in is different from being trans lmao and like thats exactly what the point of puberty blockers are, to put a pause on it to determine if its just normal hating or something else, and most of the side effects of it are either from taking them for too long (any bone issues are that) or tolerable (the hot flushes, i was on them for a bit just to like make sure i was trans before taking hormones and the hot flushes were kind of annoying but not that bad, and they stopped once i got on estrogen)

Just because it wasnt that for you doesnt mean its the same for all trans people. Your experience is not universal.

Also consider the side effects of going through irreversible changes through puberty that couldve been prevented and that child having to watch their body change more and more as it feels more and more wrong knowing that it could be stopped but some people with an agenda and no empathy said theyre not allowed to stop it

 

[Dai]

are the "normal people" in the room with us? who are you talking about?

oh I see how this could appear now that I look back. English is my second language but meant "normal people" such like non extremist politically. Far right and far left.

 

[yxmux]

First off , I'm not looking to start a fight, just want to get some understanding from an alternative viewpoint. Please don't pile on me or I'll tell you to fuck off.

What I remembering the 70's, 80's, and 90's was that the "T" stood for "transvestite"- a guy who knew he was a guy but liked dressing up in women's clothing. Fast forward 30 years and T" stands for transgender.

Serious question as I want to understand-if someone has anorexia (sp), we don't encourage them to continue to lose weight because they are fat. We tell them that they have a mental condition and treat it as such.

I truly want to understand- is transgender a mental issue, and should be treated as such?

Cue the wave of hate coming down on me…

I will speak based on what I know about the subject.

There are generally three separate concepts when we refer to "gender": sex, perceived gender, and gender identity. I am not including gender roles. Sex is the biological component. There are two "kinds" of sex: sexual genotype and sexual phenotype. Sexual genotype describes the complete set of genetic material located in the sex chromosomes. This does not merely refer to the shape or karyotype of the chromosomes (e.g., XX, XY, etc.) but also the genes inside them. Sexual phenotype describes observable physiology with respect to sexual genotype, or the set of characteristics that may be naturally caused by a genotype. We may also describe it as a vector of individual characteristics, each one being either "masculine" (more resembling genetic expression in genes in XY than XX) or "feminine" (more resembling genetic expression in genes in XX than XY) in varying scales depending on how strongly the genes or some combinations of genes corresponding to the characteristic are expressed. If we were to add up these values on this vector, the sum will very likely either be significantly leaning masculine or significantly leaning feminine due to most humans having exclusively either XX or XY in their karyotypes with their phenotypes strongly resembling genetic expression in either or. In other words, sex characteristics are generally distributed with two modes which correspond to male and female. Perceived gender is essentially an observer's subconscious evaluation of someone's sex based on what they can see, which includes phenotype as well as any sort of cultural biases. Gender identity is the gender, be it sex or perceived gender, that is concordant with one's ego or self-concept outside any interference from other disorders.

The definiting trait of trans people is that their gender identity is incongruous with their sex and perceived gender. Their gender is discordant with their ego. This itself is not a "disorder" or of causing clinically significant disturbance since this does not define anything intrinsically symptomatic. That is what gender dysphoria is: a persistant state of dysphoria causally attributed to being trans, which, as it is used clinically/diagnostically, is significant. This is not implying that trans people without gender dysphoria should not have access to the same treatment, by the way. That is a different debate. I am only describing its diagnostic usage.

 

[H0110W]

I wonder, why won't you just leave the kids alone.
I also wonder how this topic is related to suicide at all.

Just go back to reddit with this inflammatory political bullshit.

 

[coolgal82]

I wonder, why won't you just leave the kids alone.
I also wonder how this topic is related to suicide at all.

Just go back to reddit with this inflammatory political bullshit.

because i dont want the kids to suffer
also its very related because rising transphobia is a factor in suicide for some people

 

[nogods4me]

I will speak based on what I know about the subject.

There are generally three separate concepts when we refer to "gender": sex, perceived gender, and gender identity. I am not including gender roles. Sex is the biological component. There are two "kinds" of sex: sexual genotype and sexual phenotype. Sexual genotype describes the complete set of genetic material located in the sex chromosomes. This does not merely refer to the shape or karyotype of the chromosomes (e.g., XX, XY, etc.) but also the genes inside them. Sexual phenotype describes observable physiology with respect to sexual genotype, or the set of characteristics that may be naturally caused by a genotype. We may also describe it as a vector of individual characteristics, each one being either "masculine" (more resembling genetic expression in genes in XY than XX) or "feminine" (more resembling genetic expression in genes in XX than XY) in varying scales depending on how strongly the genes or some combinations of genes corresponding to the characteristic are expressed. If we were to add up these values on this vector, the sum will very likely either be significantly leaning masculine or significantly leaning feminine due to most humans having exclusively either XX or XY in their karyotypes with their phenotypes strongly resembling genetic expression in either or. In other words, sex characteristics are generally distributed with two modes which correspond to male and female. Perceived gender is essentially an observer's subconscious evaluation of someone's sex based on what they can see, which includes phenotype as well as any sort of cultural biases. Gender identity is the gender, be it sex or perceived gender, that is concordant with one's ego or self-concept outside any interference from other disorders.

The definiting trait of trans people is that their gender identity is incongruous with their sex and perceived gender. Their gender is discordant with their ego. This itself is not a "disorder" or of causing clinically significant disturbance since this does not define anything intrinsically symptomatic. That is what gender dysphoria is: a persistant state of dysphoria causally attributed to being trans, which, as it is used clinically/diagnostically, is significant. This is not implying that trans people without gender dysphoria should not have access to the same treatment, by the way. That is a different debate. I am only describing its diagnostic usage.

Reminds me of Otto Weininger. Maybe having fewer or no opposites is better.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I wonder, why won't you just leave the kids alone.
I also wonder how this topic is related to suicide at all.

Just go back to reddit with this inflammatory political bullshit.

People's rights aren't "inflammatory political bullshit". Political decisions affect the quality of people's lives and this forum is the appropiate place to discuss such matters given we're supposed to be a supportive community where a lot of struggling people feel comfortable enough to share their problems and get compassionate and empathic responses, which doesn't really describe your input here. Marginalisation and oppression ususally impacts your suicidality in a bad way, is that hard to believe? Also who are you to dictate what people are allowed to discuss here in the first place? I can't see a mod title on your account so for the future let us moderators do the content moderating, thanks.

Mkay I don't feel comfortable with the thought of chemically castrating children and don't know why you're so fixated on them getting drugs instead of regular therapy but okay.

Puberty blockers are ususally prescribed along "regular therapy" and before that's done there is an extensive evaluation process to make sure the person in question is actually gender dysphoric. These medications are only prescribed when the benefit outweights the potential side effects. Puberty blockers for trans youth are ususally also given in a significantly lower dose than for sex offenders and the "chemical castration" you're talking about is temporary for the few years these drugs are taken and fully reversible - so no, the applied practice is not the same.

That being said, medical decisions are ususally made by a child, their parents and their doctors - not random bystanders who have no expertise on said subject. These decisions are made with the best interest of the child in mind and in accordance to the medical consensus around the subject. The medical consensus around trans care is pretty clear: the overhelming majority of major medical and mental health organisations support it. Here is a list of organisations support of trans care - including trans care for minors, with links to explicit statements.

Spoiler: ressources

• American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry
• American Academy of Dermatology
• American Academy of Family Physicians
• American Academy of Nursing
• American Academy of Pediatrics
• American Academy of Physician Assistants
• American College Health Association
• American College of Nurse-Midwives
• American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
• American College of Physicians
• American Counseling Association
• American Heart Association
• American Medical Association
• American Medical Student Association
• American Nurses Association
• American Osteopathic Association
• American Psychiatric Association
• American Psychological Association
• American Public Health Association
• American Society of Plastic Surgeons
• Endocrine Society
• Federation of Pediatric Organizations
• GLMA: Health Professionals Advancing LGBTQ Equality
• National Association of Nurse Practitioners in Women's Health
• National Association of Social Workers
• National Commission on Correctional Health Care
• Pediatric Endocrine Society
• Society for Adolescent Health and Medicine
• World Medical Association
• World Professional Association for Transgender Health

Source:

Medical Organization Statements on Transgender Health Care - Trans Health Project

Links to 20+ medical organization statements in support of the medical necessity of transgender-related health care and its coverage under health insurance plans.

transhealthproject.org

Also, it also sets a bad precedent to have the goverment meddle in personal medical decisions. In other words: it's none of your business and your lack of education on this matter is not other people's problem.

Banning puberty blockers for minors has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with love. There is extensive evidence to show puberty blockers cause permanent irreversible harm. Such as hindering bone development. As well as worsening mental effects. We see so many trans people here who've transitioned yet they still express suicidal intentions. In this very thread even. There is even at least one non-profit that helps people detransition. With this and many other issues usually both sides have in their hearts a desire for what is best for all. It's just a difference in optinion as to what they believe is best. To believe otherwise is ignorant. To accuse of hate, or to be hateful will only hurt your own mental well-being even further.

Ususally when people post a strong opinion talking down the rights of other people they follow up their statement with some kind of explanation or substantiation, guess you're the exception and me pointing that out is not intended to be a compliment.

As for trans people receiving care and being suicidal, here are some ressources demonstrating that trans care improves mental health outcomes [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] and the detransition rate is ususally around 1-2% [9] [10] [11][12] and not all of these people detransition due to regret, a lot of them do that because of social pressure, exclusion from friends and family, financial issues and lack of access to health care.

So yeah, trans care does decrease suicidal behavior and self harm in trans people but obviously it doesn't erase all the social and political pressure that's on them. You're contributing to that stigma when you're spreading misinformation. You could also ask trans people in this forum why they're here instead of making assumptions., you will find out very quickly that lack of access to medical treatment for gender dysphoria and discrimination and stigmatization in society is the issue and not them being trans per se.

It's always nice when trans people who are struggling finding acceptance in this world make a thread in this forum minding their own business and people who aren't affected by their existence and who are evidently more privilged in society make it all about their own feelings, as if this forum would be the right place to talk down and belittle other people. We have a long way to go, even in this forum.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116284/documents/HHRG-118-JU10-20230727-SD011.pdf

Puberty blockers are the same meds used on sex offenders in prison.

Okay? And they are also used on children going through early puberty. I don't get the point of mentioning this. It's almost like meds can sometimes be used for a multitude of reasons.

 

[cali22♡]

It's not because of gender or sexuality, it's because of society... They want to live like they did back then, you can see that in the morals of some politicians here...

 

[Worndown]

They had the same issues back then. They were just better at hiding it or ignoring it.
Today those who are afraid of anyone different are quick to point out their superiority, according to them.

 

[death_bed221]

If u are not hurting other people u should be able to live ur life. The fact that statement is controversial is crazy to me.

 

[blackwidow]

I was born late 60s female, and grew up through the 80s 90s and so on.. In the 80s when I was at school my best mate liked girls from somewhere people called girls that like girls lesbians.. And boys who like boys gay.. I can honestly say it didn't make any difference to us at all, we still all hung out together had sleep overs messed about and so on.. No one really cared at all.. Men that dressed as women were called transvestites.. But we only really saw them if we went to a show.. As I've grown up genders and what people identify as have been given names.. Loads of them now.. I don't even know what the majority of them mean or what they stand for.. That's not me being ignorant at all, I just don't mind what anyone is at all.. It's no business of mine and as long as their happy then so what. I do believe though that the mental health issues people have and the confusion is because of these stupid labels that have been created... I mean what if you don't fall into that certain category? Oh it's OK, wel just make another name up and wel call you that.. Just like I'm female and he's male your so on and so forth.. It's rediculous. And who is doing this? Who sits there and makes
up these names labels call it what you may... I live in a small country village so don't really have alot to do with the towns so maybe I've been sheltered from transfobia .. We have all sorts in our village and no one bats an eye.. There is almost zero transfobia ide say.. My brothers gay my neice doesn't know what she is but it's no big deal.. The only time I ever hear anything about what some may call transfobic is whan it comes to competitive sports.. And in any conversations I've had it's definitely not transfobic it's about fairness.. It's a fact we are born differently which does in some sorts cause questions to be asked.. But I guess some day soon whoever it is that decides what we all are will make a catagory to make it fair again.. I feel sad for anyone who is struggling with their identity.. Living in this era must be horrific for them.. Peace to you all..

 

[leloyon]

If u are not hurting other people u should be able to live ur life. The fact that statement is controversial is crazy to me.

The vast majority of society has never stood by that, just a fact of life. Any nail that sticks out gets hammered down. There will forever be "freaks" and "outcasts" and they are not seen or treated as human by the majority.

 

[LevUwU]

I actually was a transphobe. To a degree I still am, but I know it's moronic, stupid. And I just want to say... I'm sorry.

It's not right, everyone deserves the chance to be themselves, and we're all unfortunate slaves to our birth. If you were born the wrong way, you should be allowed to correct it, like any defect. Wishing you the best.

 

[coolgal82]

I actually was a transphobe. To a degree I still am, but I know it's moronic, stupid. And I just want to say... I'm sorry.

It's not right, everyone deserves the chance to be themselves, and we're all unfortunate slaves to our birth. If you were born the wrong way, you should be allowed to correct it, like any defect. Wishing you the best.

if you recognise that its wrong why are you still one to some degree?

 

[LevUwU]

if you recognise that its wrong why are you still one to some degree?

it can be difficult to unlearn hate, and im doing my best, but I still need correction from time to time

 

[stink144]

I hate terf cunts who taunt me for calling myself masculine as a woman and tell me that I'm actually SOOOO feminine to bully me