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vitaly

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Dec 17, 2021
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I know this site doesn't like pro-lifers. I'm not writing this to teach anyone how to live or to prove anything. It's everyone's personal choice, and I perfectly understand how tired you are of a world where you are constantly forced to something. I'm writing because I spent several years here myself in a state of the most severe depression. I wanted only one thing — to die or simply not to exist. I went so far that I even bought N from D in 2021. and was completely ready. i have it now in my fridge just in case. Fortunately i'm 56 and nobody in the family may ask me to throw it away. I can keep it freely.

But during my darkest period, I stumbled upon the phenomenon of near-death experiences (NDE). Studying it completely turned my worldview upside down and radically changed my life values. I watched a huge number of videos of people sharing their experiences of touching death (Sharon Stone's interview with Oprah Winfrey alone is incredible), and their words seemed incredibly encouraging to me.

The biggest revelation was Pim van Lommel's book, "Consciousness Beyond Life." This isn't religious literature. It's the work of a scientist who stands at the very forefront of science and explains his theory using biology, quantum physics, and genetics. Being a very well-educated person myself, I couldn't even imagine the things he describes there.

I'm writing here to share just one thought. I realized: God doesn't forbid suicide and doesn't punish for it. All this stigmatization of suicide is just a consequence of human flaws.

But our body is an unimaginably complex machine. And it is made exclusively so that your soul can develop in this world. By leaving early, without reaching your goal on Earth, you simply interrupt the learning process, destroying this incredible machine that was made for you. Nobody will punish a kid for breaking a toy. They will be glad to see you there in any circumstances. But you will feel sorry a bit.

I know that right now, the reasons pushing you to this step seem absolute, and the pain seems unbearable and consumes your entire world. I am in no way invalidating your feelings. But from the perspective that opened up to me, it's clear that there is a much larger reality. And in the scale of this huge, complex reality, your pain and your problems take on a different meaning. They stop being a dead end.

Read this book. I just hope that it might help someone the same way it helped me. Thank you for reading this long post.
 
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nettspend

I imagine Icarus laughing as he falls
Jun 23, 2026
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Maybe I've already reached my "goal" or purpose on earth, and that is why my soul wants to leave.
 
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hdead

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Jun 2, 2026
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I read the book. Wanted me to make me kms even more tbh. The idea of the afterlife just seems so much better when you read that.

I experienced something like an NDE, though I don't think it was. It just estranged me further than I already was. :/ If anything it did not make me want to continue to try and better this world, because it just seems to get worse anyway. I can't help it. My perspective is just fucked.
 
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LogosBipartitusEst

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May 26, 2026
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What about hellish NDEs? The only thing NDEs really bring to the table is the possibility that a lot of people who actually die go through something similar, so one must use a method that destroys the brain.
 
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hdead

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Jun 2, 2026
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What about hellish NDEs? The only thing NDEs really bring to the table is the possibility that a lot of people who actually die go through something similar, so one must use a method that destroys the brain.
I've heard about some, but the percentage is a lot lower. I think it might have to do with your thoughts the moment you go and brain activity in general.

When it comes to NDE, it's that. Near. Not full. Imho the brain is still functioning albeit maybe low activity.

Nobody came back from real death to tell us. All we have are mediums, psychics and people that say that they remember their previous lives - all of which are impossible to confirm.

It all comes down to belief.
 
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ZwartHartje

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May 5, 2026
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What about hellish NDEs? The only thing NDEs really bring to the table is the possibility that a lot of people who actually die go through something similar, so one must use a method that destroys the brain.
Your brain is part of your body and gets destroyed anyway after your body is dead, it decomposes. You are the non-physical consciousness inhabiting that body.
I do believe there is all of infinity out there, encompassing all that can possibly exist. That may probably include hellish scenarios too, simply because they're a possibility. But we can navigate through that realm of consciousness, we'll have to learn how, and find a place we belong. If absolute nonexistence is what you really wish, that may also be a possibility.

I've been looking into NDEs a lot myself, because all my loved ones were murdered and I need to find them back. I do hope they're in a much better, happy place now. They weren't humans. But humans are also just animals, with skin, bones, red blood and all the same parts that the bodies of other animals are made of. And if our bodies are made of the same "stuff" then so are our souls, for sure.

There are many ways to die, murder is one (sadly), and suicide is another, and I do believe in our right to choose the latter. Especially after having really tried our best. And maybe failed, like myself. I was unable to save my loved ones. I feel like I've been murdered too along with them, even though my body is still alive and it's not right. I should be with my loved ones, there's nothing left here for me any longer.
 
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hdead

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Jun 2, 2026
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Your brain is part of your body and gets destroyed anyway after your body is dead, it decomposes. You are the non-physical consciousness inhabiting that body.
I do believe there is all of infinity out there, encompassing all that can possibly exist. That may probably include hellish scenarios too, simply because they're a possibility. But we can navigate through that realm of consciousness, we'll have to learn how, and find a place we belong. If absolute nonexistence is what you really wish, that may also be a possibility.

I've been looking into NDEs a lot myself, because all my loved ones were murdered and I need to find them back. I do hope they're in a much better, happy place now. They weren't humans. But humans are also just animals, with skin, bones, red blood and all the same parts that the bodies of other animals are made of. And if our bodies are made of the same "stuff" then so are our souls, for sure.

There are many ways to die, murder is one (sadly), and suicide is another, and I do believe in our right to choose the latter. Especially after having really tried our best. And maybe failed, like myself. I was unable to save my loved ones. I feel like I've been murdered too along with them, even though my body is still alive and it's not right. I should be with my loved ones, there's nothing left here for me any longer.
None of it is your fault. It doesn't suck less, but I just hope you know. 🌹
 
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DeathSweetDeath

Enlightened
Nov 12, 2025
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I'm happy for you that the book changed your life, but as someone else mentioned, those concepts make some of us want to leave this charade even more. I've learned enough about pain; I've outgrown it & I'm beyond ready to move beyond it, but permanent physical reasons require me to ditch this "machine made exclusively for me" in order to make that happen. The individuals who created this machine for me are already on the other side. I've been watching NDE stories & other things about the great unknown every day for the last year. They only make me feel that much more sure that it's time to return this drop to the ocean it came from.
 
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