I don't think it's a good idea to take a high dose of Propranolol with SN.

[Judy Garland]

I'm not going to have any of that. I wasn't worried before, but now I am. I'm only going to have Olanzapine for nausea and even that might not work. I thought I could deal with the fast heartbeats but 200 beats per minute....holy shit. Am I going to be able to handle this? People have died just from the SN alone with no medications at all. I thought I was lucky to have Olanzapine, but man, I don't know if I'm going to be able to handle this.

 

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I'm not going to have any of that. I wasn't worried before, but now I am. I'm only going to have Olanzapine for nausea and even that might not work. I thought I could deal with the fast heartbeats but 200 beats per minute....holy shit. Am I going to be able to handle this? People have died just from the SN alone with no medications at all. I thought I was lucky to have Olanzapine, but man, I don't know if I'm going to be able to handle this.

I wouldn't worry so much. I know it's hard not to. I've gotten my hands in propranolol and was thinking of taking 40mg an hour before. I'm not very worried about it though. I'll be taking the metoclopramide regardless.

 

[Wunderkind]

I wouldn't worry so much. I know it's hard not to. I've gotten my hands in propranolol and was thinking of taking 40mg an hour before. I'm not very worried about it though. I'll be taking the metoclopramide regardless.

Forgive me for the impudent question, but when are you planning CTB? SN is your main method?

 

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Forgive me for the impudent question, but when are you planning CTB? SN is your main method?

It's okay. Not sure when and yes I'll be using inorganic salt.

 

[Shu]

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[Shu]

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[diyCTB]

@Shu I looked for definition of atrial fibrillation and cardiac fibrillation but can't find the difference between them.

1. A very high dose of a beta-blocker can slow the heart rate and sometimes induce atrial fibrillation, but atrial fibrillation does not occur in everyone.

2. On clinical pharmaceutical grounds an overdose of beta-blocker may in some people induce cardiac fibrillation while in others it may protect against this.

 

[june]

I am with you there. I'm not quite worried about potentiating the SN due to lowered dosage of 8-10g. I think that amount of SN is already several times the required amount to CTB. It is just more likely to take longer. The 20-25g that was previously suggested was for the sole purpose of losing consciousness in 10 minutes roughly, so that you aren't suffering with anxiety and tachycardia for an extended period of time. However if we can go to sleep by taking a mega dose of diazepam at the time of taking SN, we have that part of the equation solved.

Maybe I should clarify, I'm trying to propose a more peaceful SN protocol that puts you to sleep before the peak SN symptoms begin. Diazepam being the peaceful agent. Rather than using such a large dose of SN to speed up the process.

Does my line of thinking check

I understand your line of thinking. But it is important to note that the dose of SN matters in the end, because you have to reach a blood methemoglobin level of >= 70% for SN to be fatal. This may or may not happen with 8-10 grams. All we know based on anecdotal reports is that it has definitely happened with doses from 15-25 grams, so better stick to the current evidence to avoid a failed attempt, in my view.

Great theoretical back and forth. I'd love to join in if you two have updated theories on medication protocol and adjusting the benzo:sn ratio. I had not considered altering the ratio, but interesting