I don't only hate humanity, also hate the "natural" world

[Rational man]

I usually hear people complain about society and I completely agree with them, society and humanity are nothing but shit. However I still think that even if we lived in an "utopical" or "perfect" society this world would still be a fucked up place. Just for giving some examples I can talk about natural disasters, people being born with horrible conditions for no reason, and the fact that we are all condemned to age and have our bodies more and more fucked up over time. Of course society just makes this situation even worse with wars, poverty, etc, but no matter what we do this world will be always a bad joke. I know I'm not saying anything new but I just really needed to vent this. I don't understand how people learn to accept this reality, I just can't. I wanna get the fuck out of here.
As I usually say, sorry if my english isn't the best, I'm from Southamerica.nd yet

I usually hear people complain about society and I completely agree with them, society and humanity are nothing but shit. However I still think that even if we lived in an "utopical" or "perfect" society this world would still be a fucked up place. Just for giving some examples I can talk about natural disasters, people being born with horrible conditions for no reason, and the fact that we are all condemned to age and have our bodies more and more fucked up over time. Of course society just makes this situation even worse with wars, poverty, etc, but no matter what we do this world will be always a bad joke. I know I'm not saying anything new but I just really needed to vent this. I don't understand how people learn to accept this reality, I just can't. I wanna get the fuck out of here.
As I usually say, sorry if my english isn't the best, I'm from Southamerica.

Nature is pure truth. You will find no delusion, nor lies there. Narcissism and Abuse doesn't exist in the forests. Thats why i find it peaceful. I dind ME there, made of the same cosmic carbon elements that made me.

 

[Resinn66]

I think only stupid ppl reproduce

That's why they are the majority

 

[painofzed]

i used to enjoy life
i know it can be good, i remember i had good emotions, everything was OK.
but things can turn for one reason or the other.

it's not so black and white.

Once your eyes are opened to how shitty life really is I'm not sure there is a going back to it being good. At least that's been my experience. For example, even if I had everything I could ever need to live the best life possible right now, it's still all shit. There are people starving, warmongers taking advantage of people and murdering, raping and robbing. The whole fucking human race is a mistake and the sooner it's extinct the better off all of existence is.

 

[pls.deleteallmypost]

The worst thing is that we even want to perpetuate this hell.

Yeah, I mean, scientific community wants humans to live LONGER WTF

Nature is pure truth. You will find no delusion, nor lies there. Narcissism and Abuse doesn't exist in the forests. Thats why i find it peaceful. I dind ME there, made of the same cosmic carbon elements that made me.

I agree nature is truth, but the problem is I hate this truth.

 

[Rounded Agony]

Sigh. There's something disturbing and comforting in seeing this thread...

These are the kind of big ticket issues that I think one can never really come back from grasping. Humans are indeed a part and product of nature; the only reason some may think otherwise is because the world most of us live in is one of primarily our own design. We live out of balance with other architects and forces, only to be reminded every once in a while of our own insignificance by plagues, natural disasters, and things of the like. But not all of us even take the hint, because we've been so indoctrinated to conceive of such things as "other", as "calamity", as something that isn't "fair" or "supposed to" happen. But what does that even mean?

I did my BA in philosophy and at this stage in life thought I'd lived enough after it to mostly know the score. Earlier this year I found myself a little surprised while playing a lovely video game called Everything, which incorporates audio quotations from Alan Watts into the experience. I had already thought for years that there was this fundamental malevolence to creation, but in a few of the recordings he talked about the intrinsic nature of conflict; how if we were to look down at the micro level of what is going on in our bodies, there are tons of forces at odds with one another, trying to take over, destroy, preserve, and so on. And how this is just another iteration of our human struggles for power, war, and so on.

Not even (allegedly) non-sentient existence was free from this torment. I'd been annoyed this whole stupid pandemic about the militarization of dialogue surrounding "fighting" the virus and thought it was such a miserable human way of framing it...but it's really just how it is. Agent Smith's analogy rings true.

Existence is just struggle. Proteins and other random matter juts makes this dumb effort to become life. Life just makes this dumb effort to continue living and preserve its lineage. Even ending life isn't easy for the vast mahority of those who want to do so, for one reason or another. If we stop making effort, we suffer - if I just lie in bed I'm going to get hungry, sore, restless, whatever. Inaction brings only unsatisfactoriness. Our only hope at staving off (and I choose my words deliberately there given the inevitability of their return) this seemingly fundamental aspect of life is to struggle against it, and it's not even a guarantee it will yield any results. Animals may search for food but not find it. I may search for a job I don't hate but not find it. And so on.

But the other side is as @Un- said; what do we even do about this? Absolute non-existence is so utterly inconceivable and not the same as non-life. Life and existence are the same; I am ancient suns and the comets of the future, and so are you. All we can do while we appear to be this aware thing going about in this human-called container is to decide, at any given point in time, if we will continue the struggle, and to what end. The answer to and even specifics of that question are unique to each of us.

What a long-winded bunch of drivel that was. At least while writing it I forgot about how excruciating it feels to live in the world I just described.

 

[y'ffre]

I don't want to look like a psycho but I think life is more fun and interesting with all those disasters with all the "evil". I really wouldn't want to live in Christian heaven. There are also many good things in life many great things. Being in love with someone, hanging out with friends and doing stupid things, having sex all night, partying. Or maybe you are kinda "old" and you like to drink your favorite tea and chill with your favorite book in the afternoon.
Yes the komodo dragon eats the deer alive this is absolutely horrible but what about earlier that day how did the deer feel maybe ate his/her favorite weed and chilled under the sun with peace could not that happen earlier that day? What about the previous days were all the days of the deer that bad? All I try to say that there is a balance here and I find that beautiful and interesting.

You don't have to agree with me I am not undermining your ideas this is just my perspective.
But I also understand and feel you. No one wants to bad things happen to them no one wants to suffer, me included.

 

[DeadAtNight]

I'm surprised to find someone finding that the natural world is just as horrible as the modern civilized world. Everytime someone says they're suffering, they always cite the other humans or the government, but the truth is that nature can hurt us as much if not worse.

 

[foreverfalling]

I'm surprised to find someone finding that the natural world is just as horrible as the modern civilized world. Everytime someone says they're suffering, they always cite the other humans or the government, but the truth is that nature can hurt us as much if not worse.

Maybe if it's nature, it's easier to accept the hurt, because there was no reason other than it just is. If it is other humans then there is a sense of injustice that things shouldn't be that way, just world fallacy. We are also raised in a world of liability and blaming. When things go wrong people will look for who caused it and want to make them pay. But when it is 'natural' then there is no one to blame. Like if a lion eats you, you don't blame the lion, it is in it's nature to do so. And there is the blurring of what is natural vs human. If you get cancer is it natural and just happened? Or do you blame the evil men that put cheap sugars in your food?

 

[pls.deleteallmypost]

I don't want to look like a psycho but I think life is more fun and interesting with all those disasters with all the "evil". I really wouldn't want to live in Christian heaven. There are also many good things in life many great things. Being in love with someone, hanging out with friends and doing stupid things, having sex all night, partying. Or maybe you are kinda "old" and you like to drink your favorite tea and chill with your favorite book in the afternoon.
Yes the komodo dragon eats the deer alive this is absolutely horrible but what about earlier that day how did the deer feel maybe ate his/her favorite weed and chilled under the sun with peace could not that happen earlier that day? What about the previous days were all the days of the deer that bad? All I try to say that there is a balance here and I find that beautiful and interesting.

You don't have to agree with me I am not undermining your ideas this is just my perspective.
But I also understand and feel you. No one wants to bad things happen to them no one wants to suffer, me included.

Of course my wish is not to live in a magical town where everything is perfect, I just think this world is too cruel. I mean, why does it have to be so fucked up?

I'm surprised to find someone finding that the natural world is just as horrible as the modern civilized world. Everytime someone says they're suffering, they always cite the other humans or the government, but the truth is that nature can hurt us as much if not worse.

In fact I strongly believe humans are so shitty because that's our natural behaviour. We can't have a decent civilized world because that's against our instinct.

 

[y'ffre]

As far as I understand, you want to decrease the level of cruelty.
Yes, that can be cool! But how much? How much cruelty is enough? How much cruelty is too much?

 

[pls.deleteallmypost]

I guess this is one of those philosofycal question there is no way to answer