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Burnout_Wizard

Burnout_Wizard

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Apr 9, 2024
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A bit dated, but this piece gives a concise description of what a society without capitalism and specifically under socialism may look like.

If anyone is looking for a more comprehensive basis, I can recommend these books.
Blackshirts and Reds: Rational Fascism and the Overthrow of Communism by Micheal Parenti, goes into how communism and socialism fell under the pressure from a capitalist world and the impact of the free-market on Eastern Europe post Soviet Union.
Fossil Capital: The Rise of Steam Power and the Roots of Global Warming by Andreas Malm, details the history on why our society has come to be reliant on fossil fuels and why a shift away would require an end to society as we know it radically change or effectively end
Capitalist Realism: Is There No Alternative? by Mark Fisher, explains why capitalism is held as the end stage of history and why no real alternative has been imagined.

TL;DR - Facists and liberals vibing with capitalists while commies cry, based water-punk alt future vs. cringe necromancy sludge reality, we are all being gaslit into loving capitalism

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My take is that a world without capitalism would be less self-destructive and not require the regular use of violence, exclusion, and austerity upon the majority to maintain continual growth for the few .
 
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xinino

xinino

The excess needs to be destroyed
Mar 31, 2024
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From now on, without capitalism there is no humans.
So, I guess a better place

Depends. Mad Max eco-fascism is worse than capitalism. Participatory Economics sounds much better. Kings may have been useful too — and around far longer than capitalism; but we're happy to discard them for something better

In my view, there should be no One Great Blueprint. Instead, there should be zones of experimentation, depending on the goals of participants

We can split "capitalism" down into concepts. Like wageslavery, markets, the bureaucratic nation-state that enforces property relations with cops...

We might question the professional propaganda — considering whether markets are inefficient (potentially destroying any environment they operate in), or have antagonistic buyers vs sellers (screwing each other & worrying about getting screwed)

Or asking whether it's actually the dynamic state sector that's responsible for the greatest long-term innovations like the internet, computing, etc. (Funded by the military & so on. Corporations can't do that blue-sky research; instead focusing on shorter term goals — with the exception of government-supported & subsidized monopolies like Bell Labs, which invented the transistor)
Eco-fascism is heaven. erase 70% of the population, nature protection, ethnostate, technological progress limitation, no degeneracy. How can you ask for more?
 
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DeadButDreaming

DeadButDreaming

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Jun 16, 2020
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There's a problem with free market. The housing market is a prime example. Something as essential as housing should not be uncontrolled. Capitalism is ruthless and creates a lot of suffering. The nordic socialist countries are ranking the highest on the overall happiness scale.
Nordic countries are capitalist. Ikea and Volvo are not run by the Swedish government. North Korea is a better example of a country without capitalism.
 
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