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Nem

Nem

Drs suck mega ass!
Sep 3, 2018
1,489
I agree with you. It's no different than taking a plant extract and saying that it works. Hell, plant extracts would probably be better. I'd rather "self-medicate" with drugs and die of an overdose.
Yep, plant extracts usually don't have side-effects that are worse than the original problem.
 
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lv-gras

fledermausßßßßßßßß
Jul 27, 2018
617
Yep, plant extracts usually don't have side-effects that are worse than the original problem.

idk, have had some really bad side effects from plant based stuff

but generally yes
 
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Smilla

Smilla

Visionary
Apr 30, 2018
2,549
I've had horrible luck with mental health professionals, including a sadistic MD who said I could be his little girl. Subsequent "treatment" with a Jungian analyst who said "since he didn't actually fuck me, it wasn't such a big deal" was an abject failure.

I don't trust doctors at all.
 
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Mr2005

Mr2005

Don't shoot the messenger, give me the gun
Sep 25, 2018
3,621
Quite a lot then. You can include me too
 
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bigj75

bigj75

“From Knowledge springs power."
Sep 1, 2018
2,540
I've had horrible luck with mental health professionals, including a sadistic MD who said I could be his little girl. Subsequent "treatment" with a Jungian analyst who said "since he didn't actually fuck me, it wasn't such a big deal" was an abject failure.
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What the fuck! I mean I know most guys are like that but goddamn even the shrinks don't give a fuck.
 
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Smilla

Smilla

Visionary
Apr 30, 2018
2,549
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What the fuck! I mean I know most guys are like that but goddamn even the shrinks don't give a fuck.

Nope. He told me he would have "fucked me if I looked like Sophia Vergara".

Good times. Which I paid dearly for.
 
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worthless

Member
Sep 20, 2018
21
Croatia here. They care about you as much as dogs shit on the road.

Let me tell you some anecdotes.

After I got comfortable and intimate with my psychiatrist (was okay female psych in 40es I guess) I started playing with her. So after complaining to her about being suicidal for like 2 years I got very playful with her (yeah, I got antidepressants, they really don't work, besides I joked with her I need anti-suicide pill and she laughed and said it doesn't exist). And once it get very nasty, I told her: Look, I will kill myself. Then she said: really? You will do it today, next day? I need to lock you down if that's case. But I replied: naah, maybe today, maybe tomorrow, maybe next week, maybe next year, maybe never. She was relieved and said: ohhh, okay than! Besides you never know, I might kill myself when I get older too.

Lol wtf? Haha I succeeded to make psychiatrist confess that she isntiimune to that craving? Besides it's really not professional, is it? Win for me hahaha!

They sold me on idea that antidepressants will make me "enjoy things I used too", "engage in social contacts more", "be happier" lol haha bullshit! Nothing happened. I still spend my day, most of it, lying in bed, contemplating suicide.

I was hospitalized over 10 times for suicide attempts. Luckily in Croatia governments has no budget to keep you housed in hospital for too long. So I exited inside month, mobth and half at most. Nothing really revolutionary in treatment. Meds and group talks. Classic.

Another anecdote was even worse. Last year, end of October I hit rock bottom with suicide cravings. I was scammed sn darknet for phenobarbital. I was desperate. I simply wanted to die. No matter the method. So I was alone in house, mother was on trip to uk, returning home. But I just wanted to die. I considered jumping in front of car or truck, almost did. But that would be hardly lethal. I torn ethernet cable to make makeshift rope. Tried to hang myself, but I didn't like suffocation feeling. So I opted for something really gruesome.

I took kitchen knife, started frenzily stabbing my neck, hoping to cut artery and bleed out. It will sound weird, but it really wasn't so painful. Probably because I was in suicide ecstasy. Yeah, huge amount of blood. But... It coagulated and stopped. I was dreaded! I took knife again, very weak and pale and stabbed more. But blood wouldn't drip more. So I gave up and called my mother to call ambulance. I gave her, horrible "Welcome party". The funniest thing is following.

Forensics team came! Really! Whole bloody CSI forensic team! (That might explain my country wasting money on useless stuff) During that time mymom was shocked, but one female police officer said: It's pity he didn't accomplished suicide. Quite sad ha? I ended in ICU, got surgery... But got out off all that madhouse even earlier. In less than one month. I just knew they won't do anything new for 11th time they didn't do already for 10 times. What I did was sent email to healt care ministry about being held in psychiatry against my will. In express time my psych called me for talk and just said: Ahhmmm... Would you like me to relese you? I was delighted to say yes! Thing is she got inspected by health care ministry and they demanded report from her. And other psychs who treated me. Since they didn't want trouble they released me hahaha!

So much about mental health care in Croatia. While I was kid in child psychiatry one orderly was pedophile. Took me to shower and watched me naked, commented on my penis.

But point is: If you allow them to overpower you, you are screwed. But if you bite back, they don't mess with you.

Psychiatry is commedy. Doctors that can't and don't cure. Meds? I won't even comment them. But I'd like to disagree about benzos. For me (ab)using them at least gave me some relief. Until I got completely immune to them. You can read my topic about it. Meds don't affect me. Smthng like that.
 
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starcrossedfate

starcrossedfate

Passenger
Sep 24, 2018
240
My life was completely destroyed by mental health "services." That's all I have to say about that. If I even dwell on the memories for even a second, my head feels like it's going to spontaneously combust (although that wouldn't be a bad way to ctb either).
 
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Smilla

Smilla

Visionary
Apr 30, 2018
2,549
My life was completely destroyed by mental health "services." That's all I have to say about that. If I even dwell on the memories for even a second, my head feels like it's going to spontaneously combust (although that wouldn't be a bad way to ctb either).

Hugs. No words. Just gentle hugs.
 
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Trashcan

Trashcan

Trash
Aug 31, 2018
1,234
Yes. Mental health care is a joke.
 
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CentreMid

CentreMid

Midfielder
Aug 23, 2018
534
I'm from Canada. I used to see a therapist when I was really young but stopped because I couldn't trust them anymore. It wasn't them personally, they were actually a genuinely kind person, but they weren't very good at their job. They kept saying the same things over and over again and it got really annoying and eventually I just left because I was so sick of hearing the same stuff session after session. I do wish them the best though. I'm sure they'll help someone out in the future but it won't be me haha
 
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Final Escape

I’ve been here too long
Jul 8, 2018
4,348
I just wanted to gather how many are in the same boat.
Which country are you in, and have you been let down by the mental health system?

I'm no conspiracy theorist but clearly there's something majorly wrong in many parts of the U.K at least, with mental health services. I keep asking myself why is it that those who are genuinely suicidal not receiving the help, meanwhile those who make a gesture attempt seem to be having ongoing support for years. I dont mean that they dont need help and support clearly they do. But do you notice that mental health seem to give up on some people...
Even if that person has been engaging and willing to

I'm just reflecting a lot because, I specifically asked for help, I wrote a letter to a psychiatrist about 4 months ago begging them to try and help me out because all this was brewing. the MH team took me on. But now, despite me turning up to every appointment since and phoning the nurse like twice a week in floods of tears, and despite going into the psych ward recently for an attempt, being locked up by the police for hanging in the woods and now having all I need to CO poison myself in a tent in the next week.. i got a letter today saying i'm not engaging.

i'm really shocked for other's sake. How is the system so messed up; I don't care about my own impending death... but I am shocked for people who are mentally ill, who maybe don't have capacity to decide much at all let alone their suicide with clarity ... They are left. And then we all say ''aww poor person'' when we read about these high suicide rates in the papers.
Conclusion they really don't care, the majority of them.

vent over!
I live in the US, and it's truly awful for mental healthcare. You have to have insurance I think, which is kind of backwards when often is the case that u need the mental health help in order to sustainably hold employment often times. You may not actually be mentally ill but you need to learn coping skills because you never learned to deal with people and problems effectively.

Another issue is that most people do not need to be medicated. Often that doesn't solve anything but just gets u dependent on the pills but your problems are still there. The meds might be helpful for a short time like for if someone is having major depression and cannot function at all, if someone is coming off some hard drugs maybe.

My issues were never acknowledged but they were quick to give me pills. So it's an issue of access, cost, also finding really effective therapy. It almost felt like I'm being gaslighted by the medical complex, making me think I'm fucked up when I actually wasn't but I needed help to deal with childhood trauma and neglect.
 
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IG959

Arcanist
Aug 14, 2018
430
The uk services are shocking
 
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Escargot Shorts

Escargot Shorts

Tears-of-a-Clown Ass Bitch
Sep 26, 2018
188
my third therapist wanted to get me committed to an overnight suicide or wouldn't let me leave her office. it scared me so badly i spent the rest of the night convincing her i was fine. i haven't let any subsequent mental health professionals know about my urges.
 
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Made4TV

Made4TV

A hopeless hope junkie
Sep 17, 2018
575
Wow. Things kinda suck in the UK...except the free part.
 
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throwaway123

throwaway123

Hell0
Aug 5, 2018
1,452
Everyone.
 
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Final Escape

I’ve been here too long
Jul 8, 2018
4,348
Croatia here. They care about you as much as dogs shit on the road.

Let me tell you some anecdotes.

After I got comfortable and intimate with my psychiatrist (was okay female psych in 40es I guess) I started playing with her. So after complaining to her about being suicidal for like 2 years I got very playful with her (yeah, I got antidepressants, they really don't work, besides I joked with her I need anti-suicide pill and she laughed and said it doesn't exist). And once it get very nasty, I told her: Look, I will kill myself. Then she said: really? You will do it today, next day? I need to lock you down if that's case. But I replied: naah, maybe today, maybe tomorrow, maybe next week, maybe next year, maybe never. She was relieved and said: ohhh, okay than! Besides you never know, I might kill myself when I get older too.

Lol wtf? Haha I succeeded to make psychiatrist confess that she isntiimune to that craving? Besides it's really not professional, is it? Win for me hahaha!

They sold me on idea that antidepressants will make me "enjoy things I used too", "engage in social contacts more", "be happier" lol haha bullshit! Nothing happened. I still spend my day, most of it, lying in bed, contemplating suicide.

I was hospitalized over 10 times for suicide attempts. Luckily in Croatia governments has no budget to keep you housed in hospital for too long. So I exited inside month, mobth and half at most. Nothing really revolutionary in treatment. Meds and group talks. Classic.

Another anecdote was even worse. Last year, end of October I hit rock bottom with suicide cravings. I was scammed sn darknet for phenobarbital. I was desperate. I simply wanted to die. No matter the method. So I was alone in house, mother was on trip to uk, returning home. But I just wanted to die. I considered jumping in front of car or truck, almost did. But that would be hardly lethal. I torn ethernet cable to make makeshift rope. Tried to hang myself, but I didn't like suffocation feeling. So I opted for something really gruesome.

I took kitchen knife, started frenzily stabbing my neck, hoping to cut artery and bleed out. It will sound weird, but it really wasn't so painful. Probably because I was in suicide ecstasy. Yeah, huge amount of blood. But... It coagulated and stopped. I was dreaded! I took knife again, very weak and pale and stabbed more. But blood wouldn't drip more. So I gave up and called my mother to call ambulance. I gave her, horrible "Welcome party". The funniest thing is following.

Forensics team came! Really! Whole bloody CSI forensic team! (That might explain my country wasting money on useless stuff) During that time mymom was shocked, but one female police officer said: It's pity he didn't accomplished suicide. Quite sad ha? I ended in ICU, got surgery... But got out off all that madhouse even earlier. In less than one month. I just knew they won't do anything new for 11th time they didn't do already for 10 times. What I did was sent email to healt care ministry about being held in psychiatry against my will. In express time my psych called me for talk and just said: Ahhmmm... Would you like me to relese you? I was delighted to say yes! Thing is she got inspected by health care ministry and they demanded report from her. And other psychs who treated me. Since they didn't want trouble they released me hahaha!

So much about mental health care in Croatia. While I was kid in child psychiatry one orderly was pedophile. Took me to shower and watched me naked, commented on my penis.

But point is: If you allow them to overpower you, you are screwed. But if you bite back, they don't mess with you.

Psychiatry is commedy. Doctors that can't and don't cure. Meds? I won't even comment them. But I'd like to disagree about benzos. For me (ab)using them at least gave me some relief. Until I got completely immune to them. You can read my topic about it. Meds don't affect me. Smthng like that.
That was entertaining thank u :)
 
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CJM

Experienced
Jul 13, 2018
246
New Zealand.
The shrink was a really nice guy, but he didn't help much, he just talks about breathing exercises and issues drugs for you to take. There is a clear underfunding with mental health in the country. The police are mostly the front line, but they aren't trained in mental health, they'll just arrest someone under the mental health act, take them to hospital, wait around for the mental health team then go.

I stopped seeing the psychiatrist, stopped the meds and got out of the situation myself.
 
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Jon86

Jon86

Specialist
Apr 9, 2018
369
Physical health conditions that are chronic and multiplied over time are what caused my mental health problems. In this situation, I find the mental health treatments to be utterly useless. Too many ailments to list that i've dealt with for over 20 years, lol at thinking 'talking about it' or a 'numbing' pill could do much of anything. The mental health approach can't help me, it's just torture, i've tried for years at the behest of family.
 
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Dream

Dream

Who even needs a title?!
Oct 2, 2018
18
All of those "professionals" think they are doing this sacred job of saving people's life when in reality they have no clue what they are doing,
all they care about is their easy money they are getting from just talking made up shit to you and giving you pills which are only going to make it worse.
 
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SamK

SamK

Cloud Surfing
Aug 21, 2018
280
Wow. this thread is heartbreaking i'm so sorry you're all in the same boat. :( I wasn't expecting so many replies but my heart goes out to all of you/us. I'm sorry we've all been failed by the MH services. It makes me angry..
 
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2CropcircleUNeedHelp

Member
Sep 23, 2018
42
It is a torture system, human rights violating scam.
 
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2CropcircleUNeedHelp

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Sep 23, 2018
42
Physical health conditions that are chronic and multiplied over time are what caused my mental health problems. In this situation, I find the mental health treatments to be utterly useless. Too many ailments to list that i've dealt with for over 20 years, lol at thinking 'talking about it' or a 'numbing' pill could do much of anything. The mental health approach can't help me, it's just torture, i've tried for years at the behest of family.
Guys, blame yourself(manipulatable variables) instead of genetics. It is stress and reverse placebo. Treat your body right and it will reward you. There are ways to feel good. It involves worshipping sun.
 
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2CropcircleUNeedHelp

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Sep 23, 2018
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Croatia here. They care about you as much as dogs shit on the road.

Let me tell you some anecdotes.

After I got comfortable and intimate with my psychiatrist (was okay female psych in 40es I guess) I started playing with her. So after complaining to her about being suicidal for like 2 years I got very playful with her (yeah, I got antidepressants, they really don't work, besides I joked with her I need anti-suicide pill and she laughed and said it doesn't exist). And once it get very nasty, I told her: Look, I will kill myself. Then she said: really? You will do it today, next day? I need to lock you down if that's case. But I replied: naah, maybe today, maybe tomorrow, maybe next week, maybe next year, maybe never. She was relieved and said: ohhh, okay than! Besides you never know, I might kill myself when I get older too.

Lol wtf? Haha I succeeded to make psychiatrist confess that she isntiimune to that craving? Besides it's really not professional, is it? Win for me hahaha!

They sold me on idea that antidepressants will make me "enjoy things I used too", "engage in social contacts more", "be happier" lol haha bullshit! Nothing happened. I still spend my day, most of it, lying in bed, contemplating suicide.

I was hospitalized over 10 times for suicide attempts. Luckily in Croatia governments has no budget to keep you housed in hospital for too long. So I exited inside month, mobth and half at most. Nothing really revolutionary in treatment. Meds and group talks. Classic.

Another anecdote was even worse. Last year, end of October I hit rock bottom with suicide cravings. I was scammed sn darknet for phenobarbital. I was desperate. I simply wanted to die. No matter the method. So I was alone in house, mother was on trip to uk, returning home. But I just wanted to die. I considered jumping in front of car or truck, almost did. But that would be hardly lethal. I torn ethernet cable to make makeshift rope. Tried to hang myself, but I didn't like suffocation feeling. So I opted for something really gruesome.

I took kitchen knife, started frenzily stabbing my neck, hoping to cut artery and bleed out. It will sound weird, but it really wasn't so painful. Probably because I was in suicide ecstasy. Yeah, huge amount of blood. But... It coagulated and stopped. I was dreaded! I took knife again, very weak and pale and stabbed more. But blood wouldn't drip more. So I gave up and called my mother to call ambulance. I gave her, horrible "Welcome party". The funniest thing is following.

Forensics team came! Really! Whole bloody CSI forensic team! (That might explain my country wasting money on useless stuff) During that time mymom was shocked, but one female police officer said: It's pity he didn't accomplished suicide. Quite sad ha? I ended in ICU, got surgery... But got out off all that madhouse even earlier. In less than one month. I just knew they won't do anything new for 11th time they didn't do already for 10 times. What I did was sent email to healt care ministry about being held in psychiatry against my will. In express time my psych called me for talk and just said: Ahhmmm... Would you like me to relese you? I was delighted to say yes! Thing is she got inspected by health care ministry and they demanded report from her. And other psychs who treated me. Since they didn't want trouble they released me hahaha!

So much about mental health care in Croatia. While I was kid in child psychiatry one orderly was pedophile. Took me to shower and watched me naked, commented on my penis.

But point is: If you allow them to overpower you, you are screwed. But if you bite back, they don't mess with you.

Psychiatry is commedy. Doctors that can't and don't cure. Meds? I won't even comment them. But I'd like to disagree about benzos. For me (ab)using them at least gave me some relief. Until I got completely immune to them. You can read my topic about it. Meds don't affect me. Smthng like that.
The don't relinquish power that easily
 
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Angst Filled Fuck Up

Illuminati
Sep 9, 2018
3,035
Countless times. There are two things I can't stand about mental health services:

1) Just how difficult it is to actually access and afford, and to receive regular appointments. So much of it is just paperwork and endless bullshit that it's more like applying for jobs non-stop, with wait times that are totally unacceptable. So many people are in crisis, they just want a soft spot to land when shit hits the fan. It's in everyone's best interest to have everyone else happy, healthy and functional.

2) Being treated as if we're unstable children. So many of us are highly intelligent with great self awareness. It's quite the humbling experience to be talked down to by someone who has no idea what you're going through and automatically assumes you have no self control or discipline with regards to your own actions. If you open up just a little too much, you risk being whisked away somewhere or having the cops called on you. It's unbelievable. If you want people to be honest about how they're feeling, you can't create a situation that prevents them from speaking their minds because they're afraid of the consequences.
 
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Final Escape

I’ve been here too long
Jul 8, 2018
4,348
Countless times. There are two things I can't stand about mental health services:

1) Just how difficult it is to actually access and afford, and to receive regular appointments. So much of it is just paperwork and endless bullshit that it's more like applying for jobs non-stop, with wait times that are totally unacceptable. So many people are in crisis, they just want a soft spot to land when shit hits the fan. It's in everyone's best interest to have everyone else happy, healthy and functional.

2) Being treated as if we're unstable children. So many of us are highly intelligent with great self awareness. It's quite the humbling experience to be talked down to by someone who has no idea what you're going through and automatically assumes you have no self control or discipline with regards to your own actions. If you open up just a little too much, you risk being whisked away somewhere or having the cops called on you. It's unbelievable. If you want people to be honest about how they're feeling, you can't create a situation that prevents them from speaking their minds because they're afraid of the consequences.
Spot on, this is why I quit seeking therapy or trying to find help. They don't make it easy, especially if you already have trust issues. I never felt reassured by doctors that they were going to try to do everything possible to get me to improved functioning in major areas of life. We shouldn't even have to pay a whole lot up front until it is clear that they are effective at the therapy they are providing.
 
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Jon86

Specialist
Apr 9, 2018
369
Guys, blame yourself(manipulatable variables) instead of genetics. It is stress and reverse placebo. Treat your body right and it will reward you. There are ways to feel good. It involves worshipping sun.

Sounds kinda fucky to me? I have done healthy habits for years, had a good physique abs, exercising, playing sports, working in construction, eating 'healthy' (various different diets), wasn't enough. I have refractory chronic diseases, that don't go away with wishful thinking. I combed the entire internet, tried everything under the sun, seen countless specialists, it's done.
 
bunny

bunny

ذخیرہ
Oct 3, 2018
380
too much. i feel so exploited. i feel like i have to continue to justify that i've been abused. it hurts so much. i just want it to stop.
 
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2CropcircleUNeedHelp

Member
Sep 23, 2018
42
Sounds kinda fucky to me? I have done healthy habits for years, had a good physique abs, exercising, playing sports, working in construction, eating 'healthy' (various different diets), wasn't enough. I have refractory chronic diseases, that don't go away with wishful thinking. I combed the entire internet, tried everything under the sun, seen countless specialists, it's done.
If it is a digestion issue, ok, I don't know if there is a solution, it might be that you'd have to eliminate all gmo foods. You might have to move to tibet and live off of monk's farms. If it is diabetes fasting can solve that. Fasting can solve a lot I hear. Eating meat less can help.
 
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Niko

Niko

Student
Oct 4, 2018
112
I actually did have a good experience, for a little while, within a particular arm of the mental health machine here in the US.

After years of mumbling through pointless therapies with (very nice, i should say)middle aged ladies whom i couldn't ever connect with, i one day found myself in an outpatient behavioral health facility, basically outpatient rehab. I had drank myself stupid and totaled my car on fathers day 2 years ago and the next day i was in this rehab place. and I got to say it was a fucking great experience.

Lots of like-minded people, all trying to work together on things, and a bunch of cool clinicians who i really felt a gel with. it just felt like this awesome community where we really talked openly and productively about all the knits & knots we had gotten ourselves into. I learned so much from people who came from all walks in life and got into situations i couldn't ever have dreamed of. It was much more in-depth, like 3-hour long group discussions a few times a week accompanied by 1 hour one-on-one sessions with a clinician, but that depth was needed to really get anywhere worthwhile.
And I felt heard there, really listened to. When i was in a bad spot I could drive over there and unload and feel like someone actually cared. I miss it, a lot actually.

Unfortunately nothing in life lasts forever, including life itself ha ha. People move on, get new jobs, things change and eventually i found myself in the same building but everybody i knew had left while i was still lingering on. I had started a new job (which i now may be leaving) and i decided it was time for me to pack up too. and just like that it was over.

So it's not all bad I guess!
 
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