If I were to acquire some GBL from "sources" is there any way to test it to know it's legit ?
Is there any different in reliablity / comfort between BDO and GBL or they would be the same and just get what is easier accessible?
toofargone6969
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- Apr 29, 2023
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I've read a lot about GHB and it seems that nausea and vomiting is a pretty common side effect. Would an AE be effective in that case or not really? The pharmacology of all these substances interactions is quite confusing.
The amount of people that mention vomiting on GHB makes me think Carisoprodol and benzos, after getting drunk, may be a better option to avoid vomiting. Although I suppose any large amount of pills is going to cause nausea and potential vomiting.
In the absence of Metoclopramide, would Zofran and an antacid be an acceptable alternative, for any of these methods? Or is it best to skip the AE in case of potential interactions with the deadly cocktail?
Zofran works on serotonin and Meto on dopamine so surely there would be some sort of interaction I just can't figure out what that would be.
The amount of people that mention vomiting on GHB makes me think Carisoprodol and benzos, after getting drunk, may be a better option to avoid vomiting. Although I suppose any large amount of pills is going to cause nausea and potential vomiting.
In the absence of Metoclopramide, would Zofran and an antacid be an acceptable alternative, for any of these methods? Or is it best to skip the AE in case of potential interactions with the deadly cocktail?
Zofran works on serotonin and Meto on dopamine so surely there would be some sort of interaction I just can't figure out what that would be.
klavikula
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- May 19, 2023
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thanks so much for this thoughtful and knowledgeable information, lot to process, will read carefuly and ask questions, as being in EU I find difficult the chinese shops, everything I've ever bought from china has always been through customs, having to declare the package contents and a proof of payment, no problem when buying camera lenses, electronic components or the like, but not so sure when being chemicals, might end up with police involved.
Anyway, thanks again for your posts
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thrutrekfinaly
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- May 4, 2023
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Other than codien what other otc or shelf available meds could one take to help with nausea or limit chance of vomiting ?
klavikula
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- May 19, 2023
- 7
Also, find pretty difficult to buy any of the listed products in EU, probably some are not illegal, but seems not to be available for "normal people" unless being related with some kind of industry or related business, for example the famous chloral hydrate is "legal" for certain purposes (agricultural, etc) but it's not available for a normal person to buy, you have to prove you need it for some specific purpose or your work is somehow related. Seems like all those research chemicals you listed go in the same cathegory, at least where I live, but I guess it would be the same in all EU countries. Going through China or India get the customs involved and as mentioned in my previous post it does not seem reliable (not about the seller, just on customs asking about it)
mypersonalhell
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- Mar 15, 2023
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Many of the rc's he talks about are made in Europe, and even if you import from China we are talking about grams here.
Even if customs seize it, they are not gonna start a whole investigation for a couple of grams. 1 gram of the rc opioids is enough.
You can also simply deny ordering it, anyone can put someones names into an order form and buy stuff online. Plausible deniabilty.
klavikula
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- May 19, 2023
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Being made in Europe does not mean is easily accesible for "normal" people, without prescriptions, etc. I guess ketamine or many other sedatives used in veterinary clinics or morphine for Hospitals, etc, are probably being produced in Europe, and they're far from easy to get unless you get some kind of contacts in the dark side, which I don't. Same with guns, many are being manufactured in Europe, good luck tryint to buy one...
You're right about denying the order in case customs asks about it, I thought so in case it happens, although still not sure about it being safe, or how to be 100% sure of the product being as purchased, purity, etc, so not to mess things up with a failed attemp.
I'm considering this method but I'm not convinced only 30-60mg of a zene snorted would be enough, I think considerably more would be needed. Some people have survived large doses of fentanyl.
Does anyone else know? I could boof a larger amount, say 500mg-1g.
Thank you for the detailed information you provided.
Can you please tell me how much do I need for a "Megadose benzo"?
Can diazapam, flubromazolam or bromazolam be suitable for the benzo? And if so, how much?
Thank you for any assistance you can give.
OP seems to have left the forum, perhaps he had to swallow his emergency ctb capsule.
Any of those should be ok, 'megadose' means as many as you can take, at least 10x recreational dose so probably something like 200-500mg diazepam, 20-50mg bromazolam. Not sure about flubrmazolam but it's probably stronger than both of the others. For comparison PPeH recommends taking 500mg diazepam for SN method, 1g for DDMP method.
toofargone6969
Wandering
- Apr 29, 2023
- 325
From my research I've learned that some zenes are not very water soluble which means snorting would not work. They would need to be dissolved into a solution first somehow. It's not as simple as OP has outlined.
Vizzy
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toofargone6969
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- Apr 29, 2023
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He said to snort "zenes", not benzos. Zenes as in opioid nitazene chemicals. Unfortunately some of them are not water soluble. Benzos are also not water soluble and cannot be snorted, which has been discussed here before. They must be taken orally. A lot of the RC "zenes" are different from one another, some easily dissolvable in solution and some not. Most people that use RC opioids recreationally are using them in volumetric solutions made with water or ethanol and/or PG, taken orally, nasal spray, or vaped. Some are injecting them. All ROA of these RC opioids as used recreationally seem to depend on the compound being in a liquid solution. That's what I've gathered from my research.
I think that it's important to share because some people may follow his guide and end up not CTB, just majorly fucked up or in a psych ward.
Also GHB/GBL routinely causes nausea and vomiting, so it's also a bit misleading to put those in the "no nausea" section. I'm grateful for OPs knowledge and post but there are some discrepancies for sure.
Good information, although I think the one I have (protonitazene) dose have some water solubility and can be snorted. Would you recommend boofing?
I'm not sure OP is as expert as he claims, someone on here survived 10ml GBL and I read of another failed attempt with 17g of carisoprodol, more than the 10g OP recommends.
toofargone6969
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- Apr 29, 2023
- 325
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Yeah there are some missing pieces for sure. GHB causes nausea and vomiting almost guaranteed at high doses. Theres also no way to know the actual concentration of the product. I think he got the 10g number from psychonaut wiki but that's more for harm reduction.
I've seen the case report on 17g carisoprodol. Scary stuff. Each body is so different and it's impossible to know what will be deadly for one and survivable for another.
That's good. I guess some of them are more soluble than others. Maybe if you made a highly concentrated liquid solution it would be easier to snort. Not sure on the boofing. Its said to have much higher bioavailability than snorting but needs to be done right, with a water solution and not more than 1 or 2 mL. Theres a good guide on reddit on it.
Yeah there are some missing pieces for sure. GHB causes nausea and vomiting almost guaranteed at high doses. Theres also no way to know the actual concentration of the product. I think he got the 10g number from psychonaut wiki but that's more for harm reduction.
I've seen the case report on 17g carisoprodol. Scary stuff. Each body is so different and it's impossible to know what will be deadly for one and survivable for another.
Actually I wanted to ask since you are so knowledgeable with this kind of stuff, is there anything that I can take before completing my ctb to make myself drowsy and sedated so that I can complete ctb effectively and efficiently…
Vizzy
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It is dirty version of Gbl which is a happy drug or rape drug
Try to get somas
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Outandproud
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- Oct 17, 2021
- 174
Some questions about this method
From my research I see that Carisoprodol is available in in 350mg and 500mg, thats right?
Then 20 Tablets (500mg) = 10g
Which benzo and how many?
How fast does it take effect?
Is there a possibility to buy Carisoprodol in online Shops, Darknet ...
toofargone6969
Wandering
- Apr 29, 2023
- 325
OP is long gone, has not been active on the forum in a while.
You can find carisoprodol and benzos on the dark web. But this method is not well researched and totally unpredictable. Do lots of research if you really want to try that. I was gonna go that route and decided against it due to the unreliability of OD as a method.
Walilamdzii
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- Sep 19, 2021
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AnonymousL
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- Apr 5, 2023
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2. 10g of Carisoprodol (20 tablets) + Megadose benzo + optionally a little alcohol or other sedatives mentioned here.
Do I have to take it all at once?
Do I have to consume alcohol before I'm taking the pills? During it?
Could u explain what's going to happen? Will I be In pain? Will I pass out completely?
How much is a megadose ?
Do I have to take it all at once?
Do I have to consume alcohol before I'm taking the pills? During it?
Could u explain what's going to happen? Will I be In pain? Will I pass out completely?
How much is a megadose ?
Ah man.. this was my go to method
Larysa
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- Apr 11, 2023
- 146
The OP gave me so much hope, but now I'm wondering if anyone has looked further into these RC methods?
i would like to caution anyone against relying on GHB/GBL to CTB.
i have experience doing heroic amounts of both (including after having drank an excessive amount of alcohol). i was not trying to CTB at the time.
generally, an OD of GHB just puts you in a deep, relaxed sleep. i would snore and have some apnea. same for GBL, except you need less to do the same thing.
one time i was discovered and had paramedics called. i threw up and was otherwise fine.
maybe a benzo would enhance things enough to go over the edge, but it seems far too uncertain to me. GBL tastes like liquid burning plastic.
i have experience doing heroic amounts of both (including after having drank an excessive amount of alcohol). i was not trying to CTB at the time.
generally, an OD of GHB just puts you in a deep, relaxed sleep. i would snore and have some apnea. same for GBL, except you need less to do the same thing.
one time i was discovered and had paramedics called. i threw up and was otherwise fine.
maybe a benzo would enhance things enough to go over the edge, but it seems far too uncertain to me. GBL tastes like liquid burning plastic.
Zegers
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- Dec 15, 2021
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Interesting, but apart from benzos, where can you get these? that's the problem. N/SN is the best option out there but now it's difficult to get it.
