How effective is SN?

[Deleted member 65988]

For full hanging once you drop down there is no turning back. From what I've seen online full hanging knocks you out almost instantly. It takes only 11lbs of pressure to suppress carotid arteries, your body is 100x that if not more.

The ligature can come undone from all the moving around and full hanging is almost instant, that really depends on the placement of the rope otherwise you'll just be choking to death, have you ever seen airdance at all?

Sn is not more dynamic, the basics of it are rather simple to carry out as shown by the guide going back to a few years ago but people have tended to deviate from it by either not getting actual sn or making mistakes that mess everything up, it was not a question of how dynamic it was back then when compared to other methods.

 

[LastBitOfJoy]

I heavily disagree. I understand that it's a lot more daunting/surreal setting everything up, but the survival rate is 0% (if done properly and not discovered).

For full hanging once you drop down there is no turning back. From what I've seen online full hanging knocks you out almost instantly. It takes only 11lbs of pressure to suppress carotid arteries, your body is 100x that if not more.

SN seems a lot more dynamic.

If done properly yes, hanging is a very lethal method, that's the hard part of it, doing it properly.

You don't need much preparation for SN to kill you. That was my point.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

You don't need much preparation for SN to kill you. That was my point.

I agree, you really don't. Sure Hanging is still particularly lethal but it has to be done correctly, just like SN has to be done correctly, SN is not more "dynamic" when both methods can fail due to individual error complicating things.

 

[LastBitOfJoy]

I agree, you really don't. Sure Hanging is still particularly lethal but it has to be done correctly, just like SN has to be done correctly, SN is not more "dynamic" when both methods can fail due to individual error complicating things.

Yes, there is a chance of failure with SN, I get the worry around it. But SN can even accidentally kill you (it happened), while hanging requires a big preparation on attempter's part. SN is a poison while hanging is your act. There is a big difference between them by their nature. And I guess it comes down to the person at this point, I was going to choose hanging before I got SN, but hanging required a great preparation while it was also very distressing in itself, getting the right angle and right position and all that, didn't find it peaceful at all so I got SN.

 

[DesperateOne]

The ligature can come undone from all the moving around and full hanging is almost instant, that really depends on the placement of the rope otherwise you'll just be choking to death, have you ever seen airdance at all?

Sn is not more dynamic, the basics of it are rather simple to carry out as shown by the guide going back to a few years ago but people have tended to deviate from it by either not getting actual sn or making mistakes that mess everything up, it was not a question of how dynamic it was back then when compared to other methods.

If done properly yes, hanging is a very lethal method, that's the hard part of it, doing it properly.

You don't need much preparation for SN to kill you. That was my point.

Don't you just place the noose around neck above adams apple? When your body presses down its going to tighten the carotids no matter what. It's 70kg-100kg pressing down after all. Also if I use constrictor knots there is 0 chance for the knot becoming undone since its designed to tighten under load.

I've read all the reports from the Google doc from people who failed SN CTBs. Some followed the guide to a t, but still ended waking up which is the scariest part imo. I don't want to take it, pass out, then wake up again with severe damage to my organs. Some people also reported mind splitting headaches, severe pain in stomach and altered states of conciousness which is also listed as a side effect of SN poisoning in major studies.

I don't want to scare people from the SN method, but I think the expectations from people don't match what actually happens along with the success rate and possible organ damage.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I don't want to scare people from the SN method, but I think the expectations from people don't match what actually happens along with the success rate and possible organ damage.

Having read quite a few medical articles outside this forum, I beg to differ from the "expectations" on this method can be and having read failed cases of sn, all of them had one or more reasons in common for why it didn't go the way it did. I don't know what you think the success rate is either because it seems to be judged from what you saw from the Google doc and that's about it. It's still a very fatal method and possible organ damage is not just an exclusive issue of sn, that's the risk you run with many methods you may choose because you are causing very significant trauma to your body in order to ctb. Some people never ever ctb regardless of what method they have access to because of this and I understand that as a fear to get over which is rather difficult. By the way, these expectations can be driven by people's own decisions to use the method and hope that it works out for them so they can be out of proportion.

Some followed the guide to a t, but still ended waking up which is the scariest part imo. I don't want to take it, pass out, then wake up again with severe damage to my organs

Why they woke up has reasons as well, no one just wakes up from SN unless they vomit for example, there are even some people who woke up from sn because they took something entirely differently, look up @loopylou case for example. There are instances where people wake up from it due to vomiting and still going unconscious or because they didn't take enough of it because it was an impulsive attempt or took something else. That's been a pattern whenever failure ends in one waking up hours later

Some people also reported mind splitting headaches, severe pain in stomach and altered states of conciousness which is also listed as a side effect of SN poisoning in major studies.

Yes that's true, those have happened but we can't be certain for what those symptoms are caused by in combination with some underlying issues, some people don't have these symptoms at all but yes, I'll agree that the variety in these symptoms can be a reason to not opt for this method as you have. Some have accepted these risks involved and aren't here anymore because they passed a point where this wasn't as great of a concern to stop them from goinh through with it. It isn't perfect, never made it out to be but let's be honest here, not many options are available to everyone equally so this is just one of the options left for someone to consider should they feel comfortable enough with it. There aren't any ways left that we could call completely "peaceful" without regulation/restrictions and more than available to everyone else all over the world. No method is without its risks and whatever symptoms you may experience are part of what happens, they may differ in severity but that's just what we have to deal with.

I need not say more because this topic has been discussed many times before albeit the title may have been different, dragged on and on for while with no objective in mind, how effective is sn is left to the conclusion of what information the individual has gathered and read, if it isn't effective enough for them to consider it as a method then look into something else more fitting to what constitutes as an effective method, there are others who've already taken sn because they thought it was effective enough, accepted the risks and sadly aren't here anymore.