tpboy
No Karma Cafe
- Aug 4, 2023
- 326
I had several different emotions. I do not think that any of them would be what pro lifers would want. Then again maybe they would.
Same here.I was constantly refreshing the page all day. I thought great there goes the one place I can just be myself.
Your reply is so considered and empathetic. I doubt prolifers consider the cause at all. Parents just have a gut reaction and they need to append blame. Same with the rest of society.I feel lonely (or, as lonely as I get- I don't tend to suffer from loneliness that much.) I wonder if all the pro lifers are congratulting themselves in isolating an already isolated group of people.
Then, I start thinking about the people behind it. I imagine they are mostly parents who's children have chosen to commit suicide and/ or they are looking to protect more children. I do happen to agree with them there. I don't think this is the best place for children to be. Which is why I feel so angry about the Tantacrul video that basically just sign posted the forum to (I imagine) a young viewer base.
I start wondering what else these prolifers are doing. Are they making similar efforts to find out why those children became suicidal in the first place? Are they supporting services that look to support children who are struggling? Are they talking to their own children and supporting them?
Do they really think that children wouldn't still commit suicide if there weren't places like this? Do they honestly believe people come here by accident and then become brainwashed?
I do feel bad for them. It's got to be a horrendous pain to lose someone to suicide. Especially a child. Still- I wish they would think a little further- even though it's painful. Do they really think their loved one or child couldn't make decisions for themself? Do they truly think it was an impulsive act or one entirely influenced by this forum?
I have to wonder if they even noticed that their loved one was struggling so much. What did they do to help? If they didn't know but wished they had- what would they have done differently? Do they really think they could have helped that person? If so- spread that awareness to other parents.
This place I would say is one of the very last hurdles in a difficult race. I imagine the majority of people come here because they are actively suicidal- looking for methods. In most cases, I imagine there were warning signs WAY before this. What I'd really like is for prolifers to focus on other organisations that are obviously failing people BEFORE they come somewhere like here.
Suicide is a symptom that things are VERY wrong in society. For the people suffering- suicide seemed like their best solution. Sometimes their only solution. If prolifers claim to care about people's lives that much- I wish they'd put their effort into making those lives better to live rather than just insist that people stay here and suffer.
You have to wonder- if it was only a group of middle aged people on here- would they really care? Or- would it then fall back to- you're ALL vulnerable because you're ALL mentally ill? The blind leading the blind type of deal?
I lost info as well - fortunately I had made paper notes as a back up (info about gas set up)This caused irritation. I lost important material. But nothing can be done about them.
Your reply is so considered and empathetic. I doubt prolifers consider the cause at all. Parents just have a gut reaction and they need to append blame. Same with the rest of society.
Such a good point about age.
I disagree somewhat about the young. I think everyone deserves our support and if we can save one of them, we have helped.
What is wrong with these people!!!!! Its worse if you are a military vet, every time you turn around some number to call.I felt shittier than I would have expected. The problem is that every other site that even permits conversation about suicidal ideation falls on a spectrum between hilariously useless and patently offensive. My current "favorite" is a forum where a bot spits out the number for 988 whenever it detects the word "suicide" in somebody's post. In case you actually want to call 988 but can't remember the number for it, I guess.
I read them and they got to me a little. One made me cry.The last words written by the 2 people in their Goodbye threads yesterday are now gone, most likely forever.
It makes me feel weird and I guess a bit sad that just like that, the last moments of their lifes have been deleted.
What do you mean by burning it to cinders? Mistakes?Lonely. I don't have much left anymore in terms of friends, materially, life, etc. - I burned it all to cinders.
Whether it helps me get through another day, or gets me closer to my plans - right now, I feel extremely alone without y'all.
This is the only space that understands these feelings, where I can speak them openly, without being locked up or shunned.