How did epstein kills himself with bedsheets ?

[LastDayOnEarth]

It seems so hard to pull off

 

[Forveleth]

Secret method: The FBI kills you instead.

 

[peacebenow]

not so sure it was a suicide...

 

[glass-petal]

real answer is he didn't

 

[bellaisdonewithlife]

He most likely didn't kill himself. The mafia guy who was in his cell before said there's no way you could commit suicide in there. The FBI probably took him out of there and either killed him or he's alive in some remote place like an island right now after possible plastic surgery. I personally think it's more likely he was killed, but who knows… Some of these people with money and power are unbelievably evil and corrupt.

 

[Seneca65AD]

Im with bellaisdonewithlife on this one. Almost zero chance (not quite zero), that he killed himself. I believe he's dead but it was murder. On other hand, I'm not quite a "no" on the new identity theory. He had dirt on so many powerful people that I can't conceive he didn't have a "get out of jail free" bag of evidence against them. I know I would have made it well-known that if anything happens to me, slip in bath-tub, die of a heart-attack, etc. then that evidece gets sent to the NY Times, Times of London, Wall Street Journal, and to the Lincoln Project. This guy was smart - horrifying evil - but he knew the best way to keep his power was to be close to other powerful people.
Guys like that normally think a few moves ahead.

 

[Arrow]

not so sure it was a suicide...

real answer is he didn't

Im with bellaisdonewithlife on this one. Almost zero chance (not quite zero), that he killed himself. I believe he's dead but it was murder.

honestly I've never been convinced of this. People are so sure he was killed by someone, but didn't he have plenty of motive to kill himself? i mean he'd been caught and there was basically no way he was getting out. Considering the situation he was in, considering we know that his guards were slacking off like crazy, isn't it a lot more plausible that he just killed himself by choking himself out? Even if the exact way he died is unlikely, it's a lot more unlikely that all the people who are hypothetically involved in his murder just aren't saying anything or somehow left zero evidence behind, not even any sign of a struggle. it's not hard to believe he'd find a way and a will to kill himself, surely.

 

[glass-petal]

honestly I've never been convinced of this. People are so sure he was killed by someone, but didn't he have plenty of motive to kill himself? i mean he'd been caught and there was basically no way he was getting out. Considering the situation he was in, considering we know that his guards were slacking off like crazy, isn't it a lot more plausible that he just killed himself by choking himself out? Even if the exact way he died is unlikely, it's a lot more unlikely that all the people who are hypothetically involved in his murder just aren't saying anything or somehow left zero evidence behind, not even any sign of a struggle. it's not hard to believe he'd find a way and a will to kill himself, surely.

ehh it's really more often than not just a meme-ish phrase people say these days. not saying people don't truly believe it when they say "jeffory epstein didn't kill himself" of course, i'd argue the majority likely does align with that thought process. i personally don't have any concrete opinions on the nature of the guys death either way.

 

[moon2bright]

Trump had him killed. Duh.

 

[pillow_monster]

How did epstein kills himself with bedsheets ?

I'm ignorant of whatever happened concerning Jeffrey Epstein (and I don't really care either), but using a bedsheet to hang oneself doesn't strike me as a particularly difficult method. I've seen a person hang herself with a big piece of cloth (one that might as well have been a bedsheet), and this guy accidentally(? not sure) hanged himself with a belt (NSFW). I highly recommend watching all the videos in these posts if it's possible:

Videos of succesful hangings

Anyone who want to post videos you have found of good hangings in full suspension? (For educational purposes) Here are the ones I've found. I think they all go unconscious in just a matter of seconds. - https://watchpeopledie.tv/h/suicide/post/49322/man-recorded-hanging-himself-in-facebook...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Collection of videos of successful partial suspension hanging attempts

I believe that people that come to the conclusion of hanging themselves full suspension have a phase in which they are into partial suspension, desperately trying to get it to work. So I decided to create a collection of successful partial suspension hanging attempts in video format, for...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[sickofeverything]

It's so crazy to me how some people seem to hang successfully full or partial when they seemed to just throw their knot together sloppily, and the "rope". I've seen a scarf, cloth, thin string, etc and they all seem to go unconscious quickly but we do all this research and have a good rope and knots but struggle when we attempt to pass out. It makes no sense

 

[windowinstaller]

its not difficult to kys with bedsheets heres how.
1. mess with kids
2.have info that people dont want leaked
3.some government agents to break into your room and execute you.

 

[bellaisdonewithlife]

honestly I've never been convinced of this. People are so sure he was killed by someone, but didn't he have plenty of motive to kill himself? i mean he'd been caught and there was basically no way he was getting out. Considering the situation he was in, considering we know that his guards were slacking off like crazy, isn't it a lot more plausible that he just killed himself by choking himself out? Even if the exact way he died is unlikely, it's a lot more unlikely that all the people who are hypothetically involved in his murder just aren't saying anything or somehow left zero evidence behind, not even any sign of a struggle. it's not hard to believe he'd find a way and a will to kill himself, surely.

Yes, it's possible for some people to hide their suicidal tendencies from others, but the night of his death involved significant security lapses, including cameras that weren't working and guards who failed to perform required checks every 30min, which sounds like it would be a rare and strange coincidence.

Then when the video was released by the FBI, there were nearly 3 minutes of missing footage or apparently edited out footage, which didn't help either.

It's not about leaving "zero evidence behind," it's about potential serious corruption in the government or FBI with someone in power possibly ordering his death. Some people in power may be taking people out. I think it's more likely he was killed.

 

[Seneca65AD]

Yes, it's possible for some people to hide their suicidal tendencies from others, but the night of his death involved significant security lapses, including cameras that weren't working and guards who failed to perform required checks every 30min, which sounds like it would be a rare and strange coincidence.

Then when the video was released by the FBI, there were nearly 3 minutes of missing footage or apparently edited out footage, which didn't help either.

It's not about leaving "zero evidence behind," it's about potential serious corruption in the government or FBI with someone in power possibly ordering his death. Some people in power may be taking people out. I think it's more likely he was killed.

At the risk of being repititive, I have to agree fully with the above. What are the odds that very specific cameras are off during the exact time that Epstein decides to kill himself? There was footage saved from a "cell" but it turned out to be the wrong cell. Relevant footage that may or may not have shown unknown people entering and then leaving his cell was mistakenly wiped or otherwise unusable.

Also, no one is talking about Epstein's first suidice attempt July 23, 2019 - that footage is also missing, deleted or lost due to technical errors. Then he gets put on suicide watch and on August 10, 2019, while on suicide watch with cameras apparenty watching his cell, he manages to hang himself? But the cameras have surprisingly similar issues as they did when he had his first suicide attempt?

The guards on duty at the time were charged wtih record falsification. So, were they simply inept and crooked? Or were they conspirators?

Given the type of people involved with Epstein (billionaires, business and entertainment leaders and those with aspirations for the highest political office in the world), the issues in play (child sex trafficking), and the potential stakes involved (just do a quick google search to find over 20 high profile individuals who had to step down from their posts just for having their name mentioned in the files), I ask you....is it more likely he simply killed himself or was he murdered?

Edit: Oh, and Maxwell goes to jail, and a third conspirator (okay, alleged), with ties to Epstein and sex-trafficking (he was accused of finding and transporting the girls on behalf of Epstein) also dies by suicide while in custody of the French authorities - Jean Luc Brunel - was found hanging in his cell on Feb. 19, 2022. Brunel had an established track record of suicide attempts while in custody but the authorities did not put him on suicide watch.

 

[bellaisdonewithlife]

At the risk of being repititive, I have to agree fully with the above. What are the odds that very specific cameras are off during the exact time that Epstein decides to kill himself? There was footage saved from a "cell" but it turned out to be the wrong cell. Relevant footage that may or may not have shown unknown people entering and then leaving his cell was mistakenly wiped or otherwise unusable.

Also, no one is talking about Epstein's first suidice attempt July 23, 2019 - that footage is also missing, deleted or lost due to technical errors. Then he gets put on suicide watch and on August 10, 2019, while on suicide watch with cameras apparenty watching his cell, he manages to hang himself? But the cameras have surprisingly similar issues as they did when he had his first suicide attempt?

The guards on duty at the time were charged wtih record falsification. So, were they simply inept and crooked? Or were they conspirators?

Given the type of people involved with Epstein (billionaires, business and entertainment leaders and those with aspirations for the highest political office in the world), the issues in play (child sex trafficking), and the potential stakes involved (just do a quick google search to find over 20 high profile individuals who had to step down from their posts just for having their name mentioned in the files), I ask you....is it more likely he simply killed himself or was he murdered?

Edit: Oh, and Maxwell goes to jail, and a third conspirator (okay, alleged), with ties to Epstein and sex-trafficking (he was accused of finding and transporting the girls on behalf of Epstein) also dies by suicide while in custody of the French authorities - Jean Luc Brunel - was found hanging in his cell on Feb. 19, 2022. Brunel had an established track record of suicide attempts while in custody but the authorities did not put him on suicide watch.

It's a crazy case man. I'm sure it was very eye opening to a lot of people as to how sick some of these people with money and power are. It's like they need more money and more power until they die, and they feel like they can do whatever they want, so they went and did unspeakable things to children. It's hard to imagine how evil and disgusting someone has to be to get to that point.

 

[yes7777777]

Very likely fake suicide (the corpse seems to match more with Hilary's brother)

And if its real (unlikely) then an agent killed him, he clearly didn't kill himself

 

[Dontwant2Bhere]

It's so crazy to me how some people seem to hang successfully full or partial when they seemed to just throw their knot together sloppily, and the "rope". I've seen a scarf, cloth, thin string, etc and they all seem to go unconscious quickly but we do all this research and have a good rope and knots but struggle when we attempt to pass out. It makes no sense

What makes you think it was done sloppily with Epstein's noose?

Just so you know, the picture of Epstein's "noose" wasn't actually of the one he supposedly used. They don't have a picture of what he is said to have used...

I think with all the mess ups with the video footage, the fact that once the missing parts of the footage were found it shows someone in orange (jail clothes) going up to his cell area, and that his hyoid bone was broken (NOT something that happens during hanging), and the fact that he had dirt on so many people (he was also highly involved with the CIA), makes it seem clear, he was either murdered, or is still alive.

There's also the fact that multiple morticians/coroners have videos on YouTube saying unequivocally that the photos showing Epstein's supposed dead body, was not of a dead body, that all of the signs point to it being an alive body, but definitely not dead.

No matter which way you look at it, he was either murdered, or is still alive. The official story, as usual, is nonsensical.

It's no stretch to think prison guards would have an easy time pulling this off btw, considering they are absolutely NOTORIOUS (in all prisons) for doing acts of retribution against inmates, for setting them up to be killed, and for being especially good at covering each other's backs, falsifying records, and covering up incidents. They are literally practiced AF in this. So if the government or agency approached them saying "this is what you're going to do", they would have no problem pulling this off. Not even remotely a stretch of the imagination to think this.

 

[sickofeverything]

What makes you think it was done sloppily with Epstein?

Just so you know, the picture of Epstein's "noose" wasn't actually of the one he supposedly used. They don't have a picture of what he is said to have used...

I think with all the mess ups with the video footage, the fact that once the missing parts of the footage were found it shows someone in orange (jail clothes) going up to his cell area, and that his hyoid bone was broken (NOT something that happens during hanging), and the fact that he had dirt on so many people (he was also highly involved with the CIA), makes it seem clear, he was as murdered.

I was talking about in general, there are several videos of successful hangings where they throw a scarf or cloth and tie a messy knot and succeed while we have rope, proper knots and struggle to pass out

 

[Pluto]

 

[Dontwant2Bhere]

I was talking about in general, there are several videos of successful hangings where they throw a scarf or cloth and tie a messy knot and succeed while we have rope, proper knots and struggle to pass out

True. I think that just goes to show the biggest contributor to suicide (in general) is the emotional state and impulsiveness of the attempt. I've seen plenty of cases that were completely non optimal, but worked, and lots of cases of people trying their butt off but it not working. Pretty sure it's just too big or too small a ligature, and not enough pressure/weight being applied. That's literally it.

 

[sickofeverything]

True. I think that just goes to show the biggest contributor to suicide (in general) is the emotional state and impulsiveness of the attempt. I've seen plenty of cases that were completely non optimal, but worked, and lots of cases of people trying their butt off but it not working. Pretty sure it's just too big or too small a ligature, and not enough pressure/weight being applied. That's literally it.

Idk, I feel like that can't be it because myself and some others here attempted full hang with the proper knots and didn't pass out, just got the choking feeling and extreme pain so got out of it. Idk why it is hard to pass out, they say it'd due to not enough pressure but I tried full hang so my whole body weight was there. Hoping partial works for me but idk if I can find the sweet spot and pass out. I want to be out quick but every time I try I get the blood head rush or choking but no pass out no matter where I put the rope or how long I try

 

[Dontwant2Bhere]

Idk, I feel like that can't be it because myself and some others here attempted full hang with the proper knots and didn't pass out, just got the choking feeling and extreme pain so got out of it. Idk why it is hard to pass out, they say it'd due to not enough pressure but I tried full hang so my whole body weight was there. Hoping partial works for me but idk if I can find the sweet spot and pass out. I want to be out quick but every time I try I get the blood head rush or choking but no pass out no matter where I put the rope or how long I try

How long did you wait? And did you get the head exploding feeling, is that the pain you're mentioning, or just pain in your neck?

 

[sickofeverything]

How long did you wait? And did you get the head exploding feeling, is that the pain you're mentioning, or just pain in your neck?

It felt like 5-7 seconds in full hang but I'm unsure. I got a choking/gagging feeling and neck pain with the exploding head. When I've been practicing partial I either got one or the other. It seems so easy in the videos, they go put pressure on and are out quick. I can't figure out how to replicate that

 

[Dontwant2Bhere]

It felt like 5-7 seconds in full hang but I'm unsure. I got a choking/gagging feeling and neck pain with the exploding head. When I've been practicing partial I either got one or the other. It seems so easy in the videos, they go put pressure on and are out quick. I can't figure out how to replicate that

Interesting. Yeah if I had exploding head from FSH, I'd definitely be backing out as well. Ive actually seen videos of people (successfully) dying from PARTIAL hanging when only their jugular was cut off, and they actually were able to push through it and didn't end up making it somehow. You could tell because their face went purple, and it went to normal color when they lost consciousness.

Yeah it seems like no matter the method, there is inherent variability in all methods and outcomes. Absolutely nothing is a guarantee, no matter who says anything to the contrary. People like to, and have an inherent desire to overly simplify their conclusions, always choosing to believe the best possible outcomes. However, the human body is just *far* too variable and complex to be able to assume anything, however.

Hell, even using the long drop method of hanging (judicial hangings) meant to break the neck and be more humane, autopsies show that like only 16-17% of people actually had the hangman's fracture... Isn't that wild... Seems like the only effect the long drop method did was to inflict more pain, and hide the person from sight of the crowd.

Thanks for sharing your experience, was an eye opener!

 

[sickofeverything]

Interesting. Yeah if I had exploding head from FSH, I'd definitely be backing out as well. Yeah it seems like no matter the method, there is inherent variability in all methods, absolutely nothing is a guarantee, no matter who says anything to the contrary. People like to and have a desire to simplify their conclusions, and always want to assume the best possible outcome. However, the human body is just *far* too variable and complex to be able to assume anything.

Thanks for sharing your experience, was an eye opener!

Yeah I heard if you get that feeling you'll suffocate not pass out so I backed out of that. Really hoping to hit the sweet spot like in the choking game, I need it to work I can't wait for another method. I saw a story of someone dying via hanging recently, daughter of someone famous I believe. So many people succeeding while I struggle. Already took two ibuprofen to try and help the neck pain I just hope I find the sweet spot or can replicate that video, she didn't even have the collar tight on her neck and passed out so hoping I can replicate it

 

[Dontwant2Bhere]

Yeah I heard if you get that feeling you'll suffocate not pass out so I backed out of that. Really hoping to hit the sweet spot like in the choking game, I need it to work I can't wait for another method

You will still pass out, but it will be very painful/disorienting/unpleasant.

 

[sickofeverything]

You will still pass out, but it will be very painful/disorienting/unpleasant.

Oh I see, well I'm not sure how to avoid that but I hope my next attempt will be successful with a quick pass out

 

[fadedghost]

He's intelligence. They got him out of there.

People also do commit suicide with bed sheets in jail. If you are in jail and suicidal, you don't ever say you are suicidal, you watch the guard routines constantly, and you can find ways to cut the bedsheets in a way needed to do it. In jail, there's still survival instinct, but it's not as much if you know you're fucked. Could he have done that and committed suicide? Yes. Even if they are watching you some of the time, it can be done. People fuck up.

Did he end it though? Fuck no, that guy was an asset, he's gone. They either got him out and killed him so he wouldn't talk, or more likely, he got on some plane, they changed his face, and he's in some random country doing more intelligence work. Maybe he lives on a base now? They got him out though.

They were clearly both spies and good at their jobs, cruelty involved notwithstanding.

 

[insectontrial]

I think his age played a part. A lot of people say he couldn't have killed himself because his hyoid bone broke, but he was 66, and that bone becomes fragile with age.

 

[Dontwant2Bhere]

I think his age played a part. A lot of people say he couldn't have killed himself because his hyoid bone broke, but he was 66, and that bone becomes fragile with age.

Refer to my previous post in this thread detailing just SOME of the things that show he didn't do it. I mean it's literally impossible, dude, for every little thing to supposedly "accidentally/unintentionally" go wrong in every single way it could.

Besides the things listed in my post earlier, we have: being on suicide watch but a supposedly broken camera with no cellmate.

Covered up (but later recovered) footage that shows someone in orange walking up to his tier before his death that they claim nobody had been there.

Supposedly broken hallway cameras (that they said meant they could only show that one camera angle) that weren't actually broken; they said they were broken, but it was later shown they *did* work, but the footage was deleted "accidentally" during the FBI investigation

The fact the guards cleaned out his cell and didn't document things anywhere near appropriately.

The fact the guards shredded a ton of documents regarding Epstein (all of them, actually) "accidentally".

The fact that some of the guards that night were found to have received money payments of tens of thousands of dollars immediately after Epstein died (I believe, at least. One of them might have been $9,000 only. Memory not perfect on the specific numbers at this moment).

The fact that coroners/morticians have repeatedly shown many many many specifics that indicate the photo of his body taken after his supposed death in no way show a dead body (look this up on YouTube, it's crazy AF).

The fact he was *heavily* in the CIA's business (he even moved military base locations to different spots around the country at his own request... Crazy), and worked as a prolific FBI informant, which is why he got away with it for so long and got that crazy sweetheart deal which meant his time spent in Florida jail allowed him to leave jail *every day* for work, which never happens, like *EVER*.

And many, many more CONFIRMED, *factual* things that can't be disputed...

I'm not trying to convince you of something you don't believe, btw. Just throwing some interesting food for though for ya, that you might find interesting.