How are these kids doing it?

[easytarget]

I keep seeing articles of children (around aged 10) killing themselves, a lot to do with bullying. Terribly sad. But I can't help but wonder, how did a 10 year old successfully kill themselves when adults fail all the time? What method did they use? How did they get the courage? Why can a child do it and not me?

I know I won't get the answers. And I'm fucked up for going there.

 

[annointed_towers]

I think of this a lot. Of course I don't want them to die, but they use methods that so many discuss on here. Discuss over and over, trying to get just right, trying to be foolproof. People saying it didn't work, they survived, can't figure it out.

People go to lengths on here discussing hanging methods and these kids and prisoners in jail cells hang themselves with sheets and shoelaces and from doorknobs and from shower curtains and stuff.

Some overdose and die using over the counter medications. Maybe it's possible if you're smaller physically?

But I think of them a lot. I feel sorry for them, but also wonder the same thing.

Some people are seemingly indestructible, some of us feel trapped here because of lack of a method or surviving attempts.

Yet so often, too often, should never have to happen — we hear of kids, teens managing to end their lives, sometimes seemingly in a moment, finding whatever was around.

 

[easytarget]

I think of this a lot. Of course I don't want them to die, but they use methods that so many discuss on here. Discuss over and over, trying to get just right, trying to be foolproof. People saying it didn't work, they survived, can't figure it out.

People go to lengths on here discussing hanging methods and these kids and prisoners in jail cells hang themselves with sheets and shoelaces and from doorknobs and from shower curtains and stuff.

Some overdose and die using over the counter medications. Maybe it's possible if you're smaller physically?

But I think of them a lot. I feel sorry for them, but also wonder the same thing.

Some people are seemingly indestructible, some of us feel trapped here because of lack of a method or surviving attempts.

Yet so often, too often, should never have to happen — we hear of kids, teens managing to end their lives, sometimes seemingly in a moment, finding whatever was around.

Thank you for this response - you put what I was thinking more eloquently. I didn't think of the size difference. But yes these kids and prisoners being successful while others trying to do it perfectly failing is so strange.

 

[tooafraidtodiez]

In my case it wasn't a kid but a teenager. He tragically had the courage to jump from the 4th floor due to bullying. My family owns an apartment building on the 23rd floor and i couldn't even imagine doing it. I'm even having trouble taking SN, I wish to be more brave.

 

[never mind me]

Kids don't think as much about what they are doing. And this might make it easier to ctb. At the age of 10 kids don't think as much about the future and they don't have the same abilities of long term planning and self regulation as adults do. Therefore children are more likely to act on an emotion they feel in the moment without considering long term effects as much. Which in turn can make it more likely to ctb on impulse.
Prisoners, especially if convicted for life or long sentences in a country with a stable government that is unlikely to be toppled within a few years have a well founded reason to not expect any improvement regarding their situation. So if they are miserable they can assume that nothing much will change within the next years. So they can have a very strong motivation for ctb, which in some cases enables them to ctb despite limited means and being watched.
In contrast people with mental health issues or people who are just unhappy, because of external cirmumstances have a much harder time to predict the future. Even if complete recovery from mental illness may be unlikely after suffering many years from it, things often still improve through a change of external circumstances, like finding a good friend/a partner or getting rid of financial worries because someone receives an inheritance or is gifted with a substancial amount of money. As it is naturally quite hard to overcome SI (especially if you are not old and/or sick enough to be dead within a short time anyway), deciding for ctb when you have limited knowledge how the future is really going to be is often too hard.

 

[Intoxicated]

Kids don't think as much about what they are doing. And this might make it easier to ctb. At the age of 10 kids don't think as much about the future and they don't have the same abilities of long term planning and self regulation as adults do. Therefore children are more likely to act on an emotion they feel in the moment without considering long term effects as much. Which in turn can make it more likely to ctb on impulse.

As it is naturally quite hard to overcome SI (especially if you are not old and/or sick enough to be dead within a short time anyway), deciding for ctb when you have limited knowledge how the future is really going to be is often too hard.

A more logically consistent explanation can be found assuming that survival instinct doesn't exist. People confuse survival instinct with the fear of losing access to any pleasures and the fear of suffering from going through unpleasant CTB procedure and/or from possible non-fatal injuries. Both fears arise out of the learned experience. Kids may be much less addicted to pleasures than adults and have little to no concerns about discomfort that could be caused by a suicidal attempt, which means less barriers for attempting.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

i'm quoting the website below. only 1 out of 25 suicide attempts result in Death. 25 attempts for every completed suicide in ages 10 to 24 . that's 25 to 1 ratio only 4% chance of suicide. . elderly 4 to 1 , 25% chance . we only hear about the completed (died) not about the attempts. they made suicide very difficult for everyone by hiding information on methods , making Nembutal and other methods into crimes.

imo what's lethal according to the limited stats are guns . some stats are 90% fatal suicide attempt. and these are people that imo are not experts in suicide by firearm and have not practiced it a lot etc. shotgun could be 99% according to lostallhope website.

Suicide attempt - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The American Association of Suicidology reports higher numbers, stating that there are 25 suicide attempts for every suicide completion.[8] The ratio of suicide attempts to suicide death is about 25:1 in youths, compared to about 4:1 in elderly.[9]

the folllowing is ai .i'm not saying it's right but then look up the stats .

Ages 10 to 15 (Early Adolescence)
In this younger bracket, the attempt-to-completion ratio is at its widest. This is because younger children generally use less lethal means, have lower physical strength, and are more closely monitored by parents or school staff who can intervene early. [1, 2]

• Estimated Ratio: Between 100:1 and 200:1 (meaning there are roughly 100 to 200 non-fatal attempts for every 1 completed suicide).
• Percentage of Completions vs. Attempts: Approximately 0.5% to 1% of all suicide attempts in this specific age range result in death. Conversely, 99% to 99.5% of attempts are non-fatal. [1, 2, 3]

Ages 10 to 18 (Full Adolescent Range)
As adolescents age into mid-to-late teens (15–18), the lethality of methods increases significantly, which narrows the ratio. Combining the younger and older cohorts adjusts the average metric. [1, 2]

• Estimated Ratio: Between 50:1 and 100:1 (meaning there are roughly 50 to 100 non-fatal attempts for every 1 completed suicide).
• Percentage of Completions vs. Attempts: Approximately 1% to 2% of all suicide attempts across the entire 10–18 demographic result in death. This means 98% to 99% of adolescent attempts are non-fatal. [1, 2]

 

[333s]

i agree that 80% is that they do it instant while feeling strong emotions, without overthinking or planning or even understanding that their attempt might fail
not exactly the case but
you know toddlers that fall from balcony the very next second their mother left the room or those type of children that entertain themselves by exploring and jumping off abandoned buildings without any equipment? adults would never
just child play often results in death
in my town in winter a boy just made a hole in snowdrift, layed there and died by asphyxia when snowblower passed by and showered his shelter
my heart shrinks when i think about those children that died like that, without even smallest realization WHAT exactly had happened but i still jealous of them..

despite this forum discussions, its easy to die. it's philosophically interesting that death much often comes accidentally rather than intentionally planned

People go to lengths on here discussing hanging methods and these kids and prisoners in jail cells hang themselves with sheets and shoelaces and from doorknobs and from shower curtains and stuff.

in my country most "hang himself in jail cell" actually means one was murdered

 

[annointed_towers]

i agree that 80% is that they do it instant while feeling strong emotions, without overthinking or planning or even understanding that their attempt might fail
not exactly the case but
you know toddlers that fall from balcony the very next second their mother left the room or those type of children that entertain themselves by exploring and jumping off abandoned buildings without any equipment? adults would never
just child play often results in death
in my town in winter a boy just made a hole in snowdrift, layed there and died by asphyxia when snowblower passed by and showered his shelter
my heart shrinks when i think about those children that died like that, without even smallest realization WHAT exactly had happened but i still jealous of them..

despite this forum discussions, its easy to die. it's philosophically interesting that death much often comes accidentally rather than intentionally planned


in my country most "hang himself in jail cell" actually means one was murdered

That happens here sometimes too. But some genuinely just don't want to face a life in prison, so they kill themselves .