DarkRange55
We are now gods but for the wisdom
- Oct 15, 2023
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The Sun and Daily Mail are outrage triggers for the working class. Fox news in print.
DarkRange55
We are now gods but for the wisdom
- Oct 15, 2023
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"False, Malicious, Defamatory" - Trump Demands Unsealing Of Epstein Files, Threatens Lawsuit After WSJ Hit Piece | ZeroHedge
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Trump does not understand the Streisand effect. Or he does not want to get it. His instincts on this are so wrong.
"False, Malicious, Defamatory" - Trump Demands Unsealing Of Epstein Files, Threatens Lawsuit After WSJ Hit Piece | ZeroHedge
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I heard there were rumors that an outlet wanted to publish an in-depth story exposing all Epstein Trump connections.
I could very well imagine the lawsuit against the WSJ has the purpose of a chilling effect. This is how the Trump administration is handling media outlets all the time.
I could very well imagine the lawsuit against the WSJ has the purpose of a chilling effect. This is how the Trump administration is handling media outlets all the time.
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Enlightened
- May 7, 2025
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People are going about the Epstein stuff all wrong most of the time. Democrats and people who hate Trump want to know what dirt Epstein had on Trump... but are happy to ignore all the evidence of, say, Bill Clinton being involved. Republicans and Trump supporters do the same thing.
Basically, each side wants things exposed if it ties to someone they don't like but will scream bloody murder and "fake news" if it takes down one of their own.
IF you are truly against child abuse, sexual or otherwise, and I can't imagine why most rational people wouldn't be... you shouldn't care who gets taken down by association with Epstein... you should want EVERYONE exposed. But that's not how it works. People want to protect their own, even from evil things they have done... and because of that... you also have people in power willing to protect their enemies if it also means protecting themselves... hence why you don't see Trump follow through on "lock her up" and really going after people he wants to go after because he knows it could take him down too... and Democrats are doing the same thing.
Sure, every once in a while people in power will throw one of their own under the bus, begrudgingly... they'll throw someone of less power in their party or someone they don't like for some other reason, under the bus... but it's just to distract you. No one in power has any true intentions to ever really go after everyone doing the bad things because they'd put themselves at risk too.
That's why this Epstein thing is never going to resolve satisfactorily. IF it were just Epstein and a handful of people, you might have a shot... but it seems to be so far-reaching and touch so many people with connections, that there's no way anyone in power to pursue justice wants any part of bringing down that house of cards.
It's sad... but that's the society we live in.
Basically, each side wants things exposed if it ties to someone they don't like but will scream bloody murder and "fake news" if it takes down one of their own.
IF you are truly against child abuse, sexual or otherwise, and I can't imagine why most rational people wouldn't be... you shouldn't care who gets taken down by association with Epstein... you should want EVERYONE exposed. But that's not how it works. People want to protect their own, even from evil things they have done... and because of that... you also have people in power willing to protect their enemies if it also means protecting themselves... hence why you don't see Trump follow through on "lock her up" and really going after people he wants to go after because he knows it could take him down too... and Democrats are doing the same thing.
Sure, every once in a while people in power will throw one of their own under the bus, begrudgingly... they'll throw someone of less power in their party or someone they don't like for some other reason, under the bus... but it's just to distract you. No one in power has any true intentions to ever really go after everyone doing the bad things because they'd put themselves at risk too.
That's why this Epstein thing is never going to resolve satisfactorily. IF it were just Epstein and a handful of people, you might have a shot... but it seems to be so far-reaching and touch so many people with connections, that there's no way anyone in power to pursue justice wants any part of bringing down that house of cards.
It's sad... but that's the society we live in.
Not really. I am a Democrats supporter and I am pretty sure Bill Clinton is on that list and I don't have a problem to admit that. I want all of them to be exposed. No matter for which team they play.
Dejected 55
Enlightened
- May 7, 2025
- 1,161
Well, sure, but you're one of the actual regular people who look at things like this logically and sensibly. LOTS of democratic and republican voters are staunch supporters of their side and want to see the other side locked up... even in cases where people on both sides are doing the same thing.
I'm more talking about the people in positions of power, though, since you and I don't move the needle on what gets done. Democrats in power will not go after Bill Clinton any more than Republicans in power would go after Trump. It's just not going to happen.
Now, that said... I feel like Trump has said lots of things in public that makes him dodgy for the Epstein stuff for sure... but I wouldn't be surprised to find Bill Clinton is just a regular sucky human being that devalues and leers after women, but adult women at least. Like, his stuff with Lewinski was bad power dynanmics and sleezy, but at least she was an adult. So maybe Clinton is involved and maybe he isn't... we'll likely never know because both sides are going to protect their own even if it means letting others get away with it too.
Think Harvey Weinstein... he apparently finally made enough people mad at him that he was worth throwing under the bus... but you know 100% he wasn't the only guy in Hollywood doing what he did and SO many people knew and actively covered it up and none of those people are getting bad reputations over that like they should...
LifeIsASadist
It is only a matter of time
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EvisceratedJester
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- Oct 21, 2023
- 5,168
I find it interesting that Noam Chomsky might be in the Epstein files.
thinkkank
Experienced
- Oct 16, 2019
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I clicked the thread fully expecting an article or video talking about it. Can't believe I fell for this. rookie mistake for sure.
Ijustcantanymore
Experienced
- Nov 22, 2024
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Not sure what Democrats you are watching, but democrats always go after their own. Even for minor offenses. When a democrat does something wrong they are held accountable and arrested with far more regularity than Republicans. Republicans can seemingly get away with anything and that is never the case for the dems. If anything. People hold Dems to a higher standards and excuse Republican behavior every time.
It's not necessarily the parties. It's the fact that it's a duopoly. They have no other competition than each other and they know it. It's why they fight against ranked choice voting.
Because if they actually had other parties as competition and had to run on merit and not how much money they can raise, we'd have a much healthier political environment. As long as we are trapped in the duopoly, nothing will fundamentally change.
And before we get to any smooth brained, mouth breathing "both side'ing" bullshit, only one of these parties is actively trying to impose facism and get people killed. So there's really is no comparison ATM. And attempts to do so rn are stupid at best.
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Enlightened
- May 7, 2025
- 1,161
Couple of things...
When is the last time Democrats OR Republicans threw one of their own under the bus when that person was a person of power? Bill Clinton got all the passes by Democrats including being in photos with Jeffrey Epstein. No Democrats are clamoring for Clinton to be investigated for that are they?
Both parties protect their own. Sometimes that means throwing someone low on the totem pole under the bus so they can say they did something... but it's never someone with any real power.
Trump is horrible... not going to get any arguments from me there. But for all the existential threat to democracy that he was described as being... note that the Democrats didn't put forth their best efforts on any level to run against him for this last Presidency. Democrats mostly just argued "Trump is evil so vote for us because we might be ineffectual but at least we aren't evil."
And on the both-sides bit... Here's the thing. Republicans at the moment are running on horrible policies but somehow are getting elected and actually enacting the horrible policies they promised! Meanwhile, Democrats usually run on good/popular policies, but when they get elected they pretty much do nothing to enact those policies.
Consider abortion... Republicans campaigned pretty much since the original Roe v Wade case that they wanted to outlaw abortion... promised to do so for decades... Meanwhile, what did Democrats do? Democrats always ran on "we will protect your right to abortion" but then literally did nothing to attempt to codify that right into law. Zip. Zilch. Nada. So you know who I blame for abortion being taken away? Not the Republicans who told us loudly for decades they wanted to overturn it... I blame the Democrats who never, even when they had majority in house and senate, never even tried to protect that right by law.
So... Republicans are the party of bad ideas that get things done... and the Democrats are the party of good ideas who do nothing.
Both parties are horrible. We need major change across the board in leadership in this country... but the people are mostly too easily divided over penny-ante stuff to bond together and demand major change from elected officials.
So I guess Trump will actually release all the Epstein files after his name and the names of his friends are all redacted. And only the names of liberals and Democrats remain...
Dejected 55
Enlightened
- May 7, 2025
- 1,161
Sounds like standard fair. Take note that anyone having problems with Trump's handling of this should be mad at Biden and Democrats as well. I mean, the Epstein arrest and records go back that far... and you see both sides of the aisle lambasting and demanding files to be released, but the party in charge somehow manages to never release them. Wonder why that is?
File Downloads – Epstein's Black Book
Jeffrey Epstein, an American pedophile, financier, and philantropist had a huge network of rich and powerful acquaintances. Some of these were listed in a contact book found in his New York house when raided by the police. The Little Black Book is presented in a searchable and user friendly...
epsteinsblackbook.com
You can find the unredacted book and manifests there.
I don't know why more people don't know about it. Maybe it's blocked from google search?
Unbearable Mr. Bear
Sometimes, all you need is a hug...
- May 9, 2025
- 896
Well, I don't really go around trying to prove things, but I'm honestly surprised this is open and free for everyone with an internet connection! (And probably backed up on archive.org.)
File Downloads – Epstein's Black Book
Jeffrey Epstein, an American pedophile, financier, and philantropist had a huge network of rich and powerful acquaintances. Some of these were listed in a contact book found in his New York house when raided by the police. The Little Black Book is presented in a searchable and user friendly...epsteinsblackbook.com
You can find the unredacted book and manifests there.
I don't know why more people don't know about it. Maybe it's blocked from google search?
Dejected 55
Enlightened
- May 7, 2025
- 1,161
I'm not sure what relevance a black book has. I mean, I could write down anyone's name and phone number, It wouldn't mean anything, If I wrote a list of names and numbers of a few dozen people whether I know them or not... it wouldn't mean anything if someone found it and posted it online.
i mean Epstein probably had a list and blackmail notes I have to think... but just a black book of contacts could have included his plumber and the pizza guy and who knows.
i mean Epstein probably had a list and blackmail notes I have to think... but just a black book of contacts could have included his plumber and the pizza guy and who knows.
Unbearable Mr. Bear
Sometimes, all you need is a hug...
- May 9, 2025
- 896
If Epstein was just a boring everyguy, maybe it wouldn't be important, but seeing what he did, and the scale of it, anyone that had a contact is a suspect of engaging with his shady activities.
To be honest I think your both sides approach is pretty flawed.
Yes, Biden also did not release all the Epstein files. Probably to protect all the liberal elites. But he never promised to release them. In fact if he released them the Trump supporters would have accused him to use them to rig the election into his favor. To manipulate the election.
Moreover, Trump promised to release the Epstein files on day one during his campaign. Biden never promised that. Biden does not seem to be on the client list. Whereas Trump was Epstein's best friend for over a decade. You cannot measure both with the same standards on this issue. If it comes to such actions/illegal crimes Democracts (Trump is a rapist) are looked at way more critical than Republicans. Imagine Joe Biden would have been best friend of Epstein. He would have been impeached pretty early about. But because it is Trump they say whatever and move on. A Democratic president could never survive such a scandal. If a Democratic president ignored the law like Trump he would be impeached pretty early. And the Republians would rightfully call him a fascist for it and pressure the Democrats to concede that. And they would also do it.
Yes, there are copies of the black book online. And it is probably legit. But the files in the possession of the FBI are not avaible. Or only fake ones.File Downloads – Epstein's Black Book
Jeffrey Epstein, an American pedophile, financier, and philantropist had a huge network of rich and powerful acquaintances. Some of these were listed in a contact book found in his New York house when raided by the police. The Little Black Book is presented in a searchable and user friendly...epsteinsblackbook.com
You can find the unredacted book and manifests there.
I don't know why more people don't know about it. Maybe it's blocked from google search?
Dejected 55
Enlightened
- May 7, 2025
- 1,161
Except...
Bill Clinton was a friend of Epstein... and Democrats are protective of Clinton. And the Clintons and Trump were clearly friends and Trump used to donate to Democrats before he decided to run for President. Allegiances in politics is sometimes fluid depending on who is in power.
Sure Biden wasn't ever suspected of being on the Epstein list... but you can be sure he would protect his Democrat buddies. Also, I don't remember Trump promising to release the Epstein files during the campaign. In fact, I remember a couple of interviews where he was point-blank asked and he hedged saying it might not be a good idea to release all of them.
My point here is that there appears to be enough potential damage to enough powerful people that neither side of the aisle wants the details released. They might say so when the other party has the reigns, but soon as their side takes control, suddenly nothing happens. It's the same old story.
Political allegiances tend to be a lot like sports rivalries... "fans" love their team and hate their rival. If someone on their team does it, spin to excuse it... but if your rival does something? Then it is horrible and must be punished! A tale as old as time.
Those of us on the sidelines wanting equal justice for crimes no matter who commits them... we are very frustrated at this stuff.
it will never be released
we be lucky if it mentioned in CIA declassification in 50 years or so
we will never see every name on that list
we be lucky if it mentioned in CIA declassification in 50 years or so
we will never see every name on that list
Trump said he is open to release the Epstein files on Fox and Friends and on the podcast of Lex Friedman during the campaign. He did it on several occassions. Sometimes he left some wiggle room that's true.
I think the comparison Trump with Biden comes closer to the truth than the comparison Trump with Clinton. Clinton does not hold an official office anymore. The Republicans wanted to impeach Biden because of Hunter Biden. And what do the Democrats do about Trump's corruption and Epstein scandal? They simply accept it.
The Biden administration wanted to protect liberal elites (I already admitted that) and that includes Bill Clinton.
I am more mad at Trump because he is the culprit in this instance who is personally involved in it and wants to wash his hands clear by deflecting the public. The Democrats could have even used the Epstein files strategically as a weapon for their campaign. Maybe something Trump wants to achieve by negotiating with Ghislaine Maxwell now. I think the reason why the people are mad at Trump is not because of how intransparent his administration manages such affairs, it is the open conflict of interest of their own president. Some MAGA people are even willing to throw Trump under the bus. Biden could have thrown his Democratic friends under the bus but this would not have been the end of his presidency. He was not in the center of his affair. The people even the own MAGA crowd is mad at Trump because their king tries to cover up his own crimes. The personal involvement makes people sick. The Democrats also wanted to protect their own buddies and and had incentives of not to release it. But it is a completely different dimension whether a former president's reputation got damaged or if a sitting president was exposed to the public.
Dejected 55
Enlightened
- May 7, 2025
- 1,161
Slight tangent... but Biden had to protect himself. While we only saw public meltdowns from Biden in the last year of his term... since Trump's election, a lot of Biden staffers and other Democrats came out about how they had been covering up for Biden for most of his term. So, you can bet if Biden had even hinted at releasing Epstein information that other Democrats who knew how bad Biden's mental decline was behind the scenes would 100% have started coming forward with stuff to get Biden out of office.
There is just too much corruption on both sides of the aisle.
I can absolutely concede that right now one party (Republicans) seems measurably worse on policy, and further Republicans are WAY better at enacting unpopular/bad policy than Democrats are at enacting good/popular policy! So IF you had a gun to your head and had to choose, you should choose Democrat on that basis... but man, we just need better choices. Stuff like the Epstein thing is just additional real-world proof that IF we had better people in office, there would not be so many people willing to cover this shit up.
I wish we lived in a world where this shady and sick stuff never happened at all... but since we don't live in that world, I wish we could at least live in the world where when someone finally gets caught we can punish ALL the people involved in the illegal activities AND anyone involved in cover-up too. Can we at least live in that world? It doesn't seem like it.
There is just too much corruption on both sides of the aisle.
I can absolutely concede that right now one party (Republicans) seems measurably worse on policy, and further Republicans are WAY better at enacting unpopular/bad policy than Democrats are at enacting good/popular policy! So IF you had a gun to your head and had to choose, you should choose Democrat on that basis... but man, we just need better choices. Stuff like the Epstein thing is just additional real-world proof that IF we had better people in office, there would not be so many people willing to cover this shit up.
I wish we lived in a world where this shady and sick stuff never happened at all... but since we don't live in that world, I wish we could at least live in the world where when someone finally gets caught we can punish ALL the people involved in the illegal activities AND anyone involved in cover-up too. Can we at least live in that world? It doesn't seem like it.
I think bringing up Biden's mental decline is sort of like throwing a smokebomb into our discussion. Biden's decline was obvious but the media was not interested to inform the public about it. They hid it until it was impossible to deny aka when the debate happened. And many Americans were not interested in learning more about it. I doubt whether insider information would have changed it much. The people had better things to Do and the media did not want to report about it. It is speculative whether Democrats would have exposed Biden's mental decline if he Released the Epstein files. You portray your theory with 100% certainty. It reminds me of theories that Trump cannot release the Epstein files because otherwise the deep state would kill him.
With this logic you could argue that Trump cannot release the Epstein files because otherwise his staff would expose his mental decline. I think there are signs Trump is also declining mentally. Maybe not as much as Biden but who knows. There are many videos where his brain visibly is not working anymore. But that's Only a side note to our discussion.
Biden could have massively profited of releasing the Epstein files in his campaign. He had to beat Trump. And this might have been a topic that sticks. He also had to throw some Democrats under the bus. But from a strategical viewpoint it could have helped his campaign. The pros would have been better than the cons. The right-wing media would have accused the administration to weaponize the DOJ though. And all this bullshit. Democrats want to win in a fair way and cannot Play hardball. And now a fascist is in office.
Some Democrats would have been out for revenge. The advantages probably would have outweighed the disadvantages though.
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Enlightened
- May 7, 2025
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The problem is that both parties have convinced enough of the American people that there are two sides. In campaigning there are usually two pretty clearly different sides... but in actual governance? Not much changes over time that isn't agreeable to both sides.
Democrats don't solidify the things they say they will in order to secure votes. They often don't even try. Republicans deceive their supporters too, but unlike the Democrats they do seem to move the needle backwards well enough. As in... the Democrats have a hard time advancing equality and protections for oppressed peoples, but the Republicans seem to have an easy time rolling back regulations and increasing oppression. This despite most polling indicating more people agree on wanting more freedoms, less oppression, and less corporation rule.
Are there good Democrats? Sure. It's just they are outnumbered by the ones who are focused on themselves rather than the American people. Same goes for Republicans. There are actually some good conservative policies that people like, but those are usually not the ones pushed. Like fiscal responsibility. Republicans run on that all the time, and they talk about cutting wasteful government spending... but then in power, they spend more than Democrats often and waste a lot of spending, run up the deficit, etc. But the advertised fiscal responsibility is good, they just don't do it.
As for Epstein... Trump is either in the list OR can use the list to get leverage from others for things he wants. Trump would love to skewer Democrats on the list, but it will be hard for him to do so without risking losing his leverage or being outed himself... so he and Republicans are motivated to protect themselves more than they are to out Democrats. Democrats have the same problem... Biden wasn't in the list, I'd be surprised if he was anyway, but he surely knows people that are and his people aren't saying boo about it because either he wants to protect friends or wants to use as leverage similar to Trump. That is, unfortunately, how politics work.
Democrats are more apt to throw one of their own under the bus symbolically than Republicans are... Republicans tend to ride or die more often. Then again, Trump does like to fire his own "best people" and then claim retroactively how horrible they were...
Neither party really addresses poverty, healthcare, immigration, the budget deficit, or you name it... term after term after term... the machine keeps rolling along with sometimes token policies as feel-good press to maintain the illusion they are doing something.
You can bank that nobody who is a major player in Democrat or Republican parties is going to have any part in releasing the Epstein information fully. The only way that info gets out is if someone hacks and steals and leaks the info OR someone who really really cares about justice is willing to kill their own career by coming forward with information.
Democrats don't solidify the things they say they will in order to secure votes. They often don't even try. Republicans deceive their supporters too, but unlike the Democrats they do seem to move the needle backwards well enough. As in... the Democrats have a hard time advancing equality and protections for oppressed peoples, but the Republicans seem to have an easy time rolling back regulations and increasing oppression. This despite most polling indicating more people agree on wanting more freedoms, less oppression, and less corporation rule.
Are there good Democrats? Sure. It's just they are outnumbered by the ones who are focused on themselves rather than the American people. Same goes for Republicans. There are actually some good conservative policies that people like, but those are usually not the ones pushed. Like fiscal responsibility. Republicans run on that all the time, and they talk about cutting wasteful government spending... but then in power, they spend more than Democrats often and waste a lot of spending, run up the deficit, etc. But the advertised fiscal responsibility is good, they just don't do it.
As for Epstein... Trump is either in the list OR can use the list to get leverage from others for things he wants. Trump would love to skewer Democrats on the list, but it will be hard for him to do so without risking losing his leverage or being outed himself... so he and Republicans are motivated to protect themselves more than they are to out Democrats. Democrats have the same problem... Biden wasn't in the list, I'd be surprised if he was anyway, but he surely knows people that are and his people aren't saying boo about it because either he wants to protect friends or wants to use as leverage similar to Trump. That is, unfortunately, how politics work.
Democrats are more apt to throw one of their own under the bus symbolically than Republicans are... Republicans tend to ride or die more often. Then again, Trump does like to fire his own "best people" and then claim retroactively how horrible they were...
Neither party really addresses poverty, healthcare, immigration, the budget deficit, or you name it... term after term after term... the machine keeps rolling along with sometimes token policies as feel-good press to maintain the illusion they are doing something.
You can bank that nobody who is a major player in Democrat or Republican parties is going to have any part in releasing the Epstein information fully. The only way that info gets out is if someone hacks and steals and leaks the info OR someone who really really cares about justice is willing to kill their own career by coming forward with information.
