DarkRange55
I am Skynet
- Oct 15, 2023
- 1,953
The Sun and Daily Mail are outrage triggers for the working class. Fox news in print.
DarkRange55
I am Skynet
- Oct 15, 2023
- 1,953
"False, Malicious, Defamatory" - Trump Demands Unsealing Of Epstein Files, Threatens Lawsuit After WSJ Hit Piece | ZeroHedge
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Trump does not understand the Streisand effect. Or he does not want to get it. His instincts on this are so wrong.
"False, Malicious, Defamatory" - Trump Demands Unsealing Of Epstein Files, Threatens Lawsuit After WSJ Hit Piece | ZeroHedge
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I heard there were rumors that an outlet wanted to publish an in-depth story exposing all Epstein Trump connections.
I could very well imagine the lawsuit against the WSJ has the purpose of a chilling effect. This is how the Trump administration is handling media outlets all the time.
I could very well imagine the lawsuit against the WSJ has the purpose of a chilling effect. This is how the Trump administration is handling media outlets all the time.
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Warlock
- May 7, 2025
- 721
People are going about the Epstein stuff all wrong most of the time. Democrats and people who hate Trump want to know what dirt Epstein had on Trump... but are happy to ignore all the evidence of, say, Bill Clinton being involved. Republicans and Trump supporters do the same thing.
Basically, each side wants things exposed if it ties to someone they don't like but will scream bloody murder and "fake news" if it takes down one of their own.
IF you are truly against child abuse, sexual or otherwise, and I can't imagine why most rational people wouldn't be... you shouldn't care who gets taken down by association with Epstein... you should want EVERYONE exposed. But that's not how it works. People want to protect their own, even from evil things they have done... and because of that... you also have people in power willing to protect their enemies if it also means protecting themselves... hence why you don't see Trump follow through on "lock her up" and really going after people he wants to go after because he knows it could take him down too... and Democrats are doing the same thing.
Sure, every once in a while people in power will throw one of their own under the bus, begrudgingly... they'll throw someone of less power in their party or someone they don't like for some other reason, under the bus... but it's just to distract you. No one in power has any true intentions to ever really go after everyone doing the bad things because they'd put themselves at risk too.
That's why this Epstein thing is never going to resolve satisfactorily. IF it were just Epstein and a handful of people, you might have a shot... but it seems to be so far-reaching and touch so many people with connections, that there's no way anyone in power to pursue justice wants any part of bringing down that house of cards.
It's sad... but that's the society we live in.
Basically, each side wants things exposed if it ties to someone they don't like but will scream bloody murder and "fake news" if it takes down one of their own.
IF you are truly against child abuse, sexual or otherwise, and I can't imagine why most rational people wouldn't be... you shouldn't care who gets taken down by association with Epstein... you should want EVERYONE exposed. But that's not how it works. People want to protect their own, even from evil things they have done... and because of that... you also have people in power willing to protect their enemies if it also means protecting themselves... hence why you don't see Trump follow through on "lock her up" and really going after people he wants to go after because he knows it could take him down too... and Democrats are doing the same thing.
Sure, every once in a while people in power will throw one of their own under the bus, begrudgingly... they'll throw someone of less power in their party or someone they don't like for some other reason, under the bus... but it's just to distract you. No one in power has any true intentions to ever really go after everyone doing the bad things because they'd put themselves at risk too.
That's why this Epstein thing is never going to resolve satisfactorily. IF it were just Epstein and a handful of people, you might have a shot... but it seems to be so far-reaching and touch so many people with connections, that there's no way anyone in power to pursue justice wants any part of bringing down that house of cards.
It's sad... but that's the society we live in.
Not really. I am a Democrats supporter and I am pretty sure Bill Clinton is on that list and I don't have a problem to admit that. I want all of them to be exposed. No matter for which team they play.
Dejected 55
Warlock
- May 7, 2025
- 721
Well, sure, but you're one of the actual regular people who look at things like this logically and sensibly. LOTS of democratic and republican voters are staunch supporters of their side and want to see the other side locked up... even in cases where people on both sides are doing the same thing.
I'm more talking about the people in positions of power, though, since you and I don't move the needle on what gets done. Democrats in power will not go after Bill Clinton any more than Republicans in power would go after Trump. It's just not going to happen.
Now, that said... I feel like Trump has said lots of things in public that makes him dodgy for the Epstein stuff for sure... but I wouldn't be surprised to find Bill Clinton is just a regular sucky human being that devalues and leers after women, but adult women at least. Like, his stuff with Lewinski was bad power dynanmics and sleezy, but at least she was an adult. So maybe Clinton is involved and maybe he isn't... we'll likely never know because both sides are going to protect their own even if it means letting others get away with it too.
Think Harvey Weinstein... he apparently finally made enough people mad at him that he was worth throwing under the bus... but you know 100% he wasn't the only guy in Hollywood doing what he did and SO many people knew and actively covered it up and none of those people are getting bad reputations over that like they should...
LifeIsASadist
I've lost
- Oct 16, 2024
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EvisceratedJester
|| What Else Could I Be But a Jester ||
- Oct 21, 2023
- 5,086
I find it interesting that Noam Chomsky might be in the Epstein files.
thinkkank
Experienced
- Oct 16, 2019
- 277
I clicked the thread fully expecting an article or video talking about it. Can't believe I fell for this. rookie mistake for sure.
Ijustcantanymore
Student
- Nov 22, 2024
- 197
Not sure what Democrats you are watching, but democrats always go after their own. Even for minor offenses. When a democrat does something wrong they are held accountable and arrested with far more regularity than Republicans. Republicans can seemingly get away with anything and that is never the case for the dems. If anything. People hold Dems to a higher standards and excuse Republican behavior every time.
It's not necessarily the parties. It's the fact that it's a duopoly. They have no other competition than each other and they know it. It's why they fight against ranked choice voting.
Because if they actually had other parties as competition and had to run on merit and not how much money they can raise, we'd have a much healthier political environment. As long as we are trapped in the duopoly, nothing will fundamentally change.
And before we get to any smooth brained, mouth breathing "both side'ing" bullshit, only one of these parties is actively trying to impose facism and get people killed. So there's really is no comparison ATM. And attempts to do so rn are stupid at best.
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Dejected 55
Warlock
- May 7, 2025
- 721
Couple of things...
When is the last time Democrats OR Republicans threw one of their own under the bus when that person was a person of power? Bill Clinton got all the passes by Democrats including being in photos with Jeffrey Epstein. No Democrats are clamoring for Clinton to be investigated for that are they?
Both parties protect their own. Sometimes that means throwing someone low on the totem pole under the bus so they can say they did something... but it's never someone with any real power.
Trump is horrible... not going to get any arguments from me there. But for all the existential threat to democracy that he was described as being... note that the Democrats didn't put forth their best efforts on any level to run against him for this last Presidency. Democrats mostly just argued "Trump is evil so vote for us because we might be ineffectual but at least we aren't evil."
And on the both-sides bit... Here's the thing. Republicans at the moment are running on horrible policies but somehow are getting elected and actually enacting the horrible policies they promised! Meanwhile, Democrats usually run on good/popular policies, but when they get elected they pretty much do nothing to enact those policies.
Consider abortion... Republicans campaigned pretty much since the original Roe v Wade case that they wanted to outlaw abortion... promised to do so for decades... Meanwhile, what did Democrats do? Democrats always ran on "we will protect your right to abortion" but then literally did nothing to attempt to codify that right into law. Zip. Zilch. Nada. So you know who I blame for abortion being taken away? Not the Republicans who told us loudly for decades they wanted to overturn it... I blame the Democrats who never, even when they had majority in house and senate, never even tried to protect that right by law.
So... Republicans are the party of bad ideas that get things done... and the Democrats are the party of good ideas who do nothing.
Both parties are horrible. We need major change across the board in leadership in this country... but the people are mostly too easily divided over penny-ante stuff to bond together and demand major change from elected officials.
So I guess Trump will actually release all the Epstein files after his name and the names of his friends are all redacted. And only the names of liberals and Democrats remain...
Dejected 55
Warlock
- May 7, 2025
- 721
Sounds like standard fair. Take note that anyone having problems with Trump's handling of this should be mad at Biden and Democrats as well. I mean, the Epstein arrest and records go back that far... and you see both sides of the aisle lambasting and demanding files to be released, but the party in charge somehow manages to never release them. Wonder why that is?
File Downloads – Epstein's Black Book
Jeffrey Epstein, an American pedophile, financier, and philantropist had a huge network of rich and powerful acquaintances. Some of these were listed in a contact book found in his New York house when raided by the police. The Little Black Book is presented in a searchable and user friendly...
epsteinsblackbook.com
You can find the unredacted book and manifests there.
I don't know why more people don't know about it. Maybe it's blocked from google search?
Unbearable Mr. Bear
Sometimes, all you need is a hug...
- May 9, 2025
- 866
Well, I don't really go around trying to prove things, but I'm honestly surprised this is open and free for everyone with an internet connection! (And probably backed up on archive.org.)
File Downloads – Epstein's Black Book
Jeffrey Epstein, an American pedophile, financier, and philantropist had a huge network of rich and powerful acquaintances. Some of these were listed in a contact book found in his New York house when raided by the police. The Little Black Book is presented in a searchable and user friendly...epsteinsblackbook.com
You can find the unredacted book and manifests there.
I don't know why more people don't know about it. Maybe it's blocked from google search?
Dejected 55
Warlock
- May 7, 2025
- 721
I'm not sure what relevance a black book has. I mean, I could write down anyone's name and phone number, It wouldn't mean anything, If I wrote a list of names and numbers of a few dozen people whether I know them or not... it wouldn't mean anything if someone found it and posted it online.
i mean Epstein probably had a list and blackmail notes I have to think... but just a black book of contacts could have included his plumber and the pizza guy and who knows.
i mean Epstein probably had a list and blackmail notes I have to think... but just a black book of contacts could have included his plumber and the pizza guy and who knows.
Unbearable Mr. Bear
Sometimes, all you need is a hug...
- May 9, 2025
- 866
If Epstein was just a boring everyguy, maybe it wouldn't be important, but seeing what he did, and the scale of it, anyone that had a contact is a suspect of engaging with his shady activities.
To be honest I think your both sides approach is pretty flawed.
Yes, Biden also did not release all the Epstein files. Probably to protect all the liberal elites. But he never promised to release them. In fact if he released them the Trump supporters would have accused him to use them to rig the election into his favor. To manipulate the election.
Moreover, Trump promised to release the Epstein files on day one during his campaign. Biden never promised that. Biden does not seem to be on the client list. Whereas Trump was Epstein's best friend for over a decade. You cannot measure both with the same standards on this issue. If it comes to such actions/illegal crimes Democracts (Trump is a rapist) are looked at way more critical than Republicans. Imagine Joe Biden would have been best friend of Epstein. He would have been impeached pretty early about. But because it is Trump they say whatever and move on. A Democratic president could never survive such a scandal. If a Democratic president ignored the law like Trump he would be impeached pretty early. And the Republians would rightfully call him a fascist for it and pressure the Democrats to concede that. And they would also do it.
Yes, there are copies of the black book online. And it is probably legit. But the files in the possession of the FBI are not avaible. Or only fake ones.File Downloads – Epstein's Black Book
Jeffrey Epstein, an American pedophile, financier, and philantropist had a huge network of rich and powerful acquaintances. Some of these were listed in a contact book found in his New York house when raided by the police. The Little Black Book is presented in a searchable and user friendly...epsteinsblackbook.com
You can find the unredacted book and manifests there.
I don't know why more people don't know about it. Maybe it's blocked from google search?
Dejected 55
Warlock
- May 7, 2025
- 721
Except...
Bill Clinton was a friend of Epstein... and Democrats are protective of Clinton. And the Clintons and Trump were clearly friends and Trump used to donate to Democrats before he decided to run for President. Allegiances in politics is sometimes fluid depending on who is in power.
Sure Biden wasn't ever suspected of being on the Epstein list... but you can be sure he would protect his Democrat buddies. Also, I don't remember Trump promising to release the Epstein files during the campaign. In fact, I remember a couple of interviews where he was point-blank asked and he hedged saying it might not be a good idea to release all of them.
My point here is that there appears to be enough potential damage to enough powerful people that neither side of the aisle wants the details released. They might say so when the other party has the reigns, but soon as their side takes control, suddenly nothing happens. It's the same old story.
Political allegiances tend to be a lot like sports rivalries... "fans" love their team and hate their rival. If someone on their team does it, spin to excuse it... but if your rival does something? Then it is horrible and must be punished! A tale as old as time.
Those of us on the sidelines wanting equal justice for crimes no matter who commits them... we are very frustrated at this stuff.
