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The Sun and Daily Mail are outrage triggers for the working class. Fox news in print.That will NEVER happen. Too many people with more money than I can count to have a vested interest in nothing coming of this.
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The Sun and Daily Mail are outrage triggers for the working class. Fox news in print.That will NEVER happen. Too many people with more money than I can count to have a vested interest in nothing coming of this.
Trump does not understand the Streisand effect. Or he does not want to get it. His instincts on this are so wrong.
"False, Malicious, Defamatory" - Trump Demands Unsealing Of Epstein Files, Threatens Lawsuit After WSJ Hit Piece | ZeroHedge
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Not really. I am a Democrats supporter and I am pretty sure Bill Clinton is on that list and I don't have a problem to admit that. I want all of them to be exposed. No matter for which team they play.People are going about the Epstein stuff all wrong most of the time. Democrats and people who hate Trump want to know what dirt Epstein had on Trump... but are happy to ignore all the evidence of, say, Bill Clinton being involved. Republicans and Trump supporters do the same thing.
Basically, each side wants things exposed if it ties to someone they don't like but will scream bloody murder and "fake news" if it takes down one of their own.
IF you are truly against child abuse, sexual or otherwise, and I can't imagine why most rational people wouldn't be... you shouldn't care who gets taken down by association with Epstein... you should want EVERYONE exposed. But that's not how it works. People want to protect their own, even from evil things they have done... and because of that... you also have people in power willing to protect their enemies if it also means protecting themselves... hence why you don't see Trump follow through on "lock her up" and really going after people he wants to go after because he knows it could take him down too... and Democrats are doing the same thing.
Sure, every once in a while people in power will throw one of their own under the bus, begrudgingly... they'll throw someone of less power in their party or someone they don't like for some other reason, under the bus... but it's just to distract you. No one in power has any true intentions to ever really go after everyone doing the bad things because they'd put themselves at risk too.
That's why this Epstein thing is never going to resolve satisfactorily. IF it were just Epstein and a handful of people, you might have a shot... but it seems to be so far-reaching and touch so many people with connections, that there's no way anyone in power to pursue justice wants any part of bringing down that house of cards.
It's sad... but that's the society we live in.
Well, sure, but you're one of the actual regular people who look at things like this logically and sensibly. LOTS of democratic and republican voters are staunch supporters of their side and want to see the other side locked up... even in cases where people on both sides are doing the same thing.Not really. I am a Democrats supporter and I am pretty sure Bill Clinton is on that list and I don't have a problem to admit that. I want all of them to be exposed. No matter for which team they play.
Not sure what Democrats you are watching, but democrats always go after their own. Even for minor offenses. When a democrat does something wrong they are held accountable and arrested with far more regularity than Republicans. Republicans can seemingly get away with anything and that is never the case for the dems. If anything. People hold Dems to a higher standards and excuse Republican behavior every time.People are going about the Epstein stuff all wrong most of the time. Democrats and people who hate Trump want to know what dirt Epstein had on Trump... but are happy to ignore all the evidence of, say, Bill Clinton being involved. Republicans and Trump supporters do the same thing.
Basically, each side wants things exposed if it ties to someone they don't like but will scream bloody murder and "fake news" if it takes down one of their own.
IF you are truly against child abuse, sexual or otherwise, and I can't imagine why most rational people wouldn't be... you shouldn't care who gets taken down by association with Epstein... you should want EVERYONE exposed. But that's not how it works. People want to protect their own, even from evil things they have done... and because of that... you also have people in power willing to protect their enemies if it also means protecting themselves... hence why you don't see Trump follow through on "lock her up" and really going after people he wants to go after because he knows it could take him down too... and Democrats are doing the same thing.
Sure, every once in a while people in power will throw one of their own under the bus, begrudgingly... they'll throw someone of less power in their party or someone they don't like for some other reason, under the bus... but it's just to distract you. No one in power has any true intentions to ever really go after everyone doing the bad things because they'd put themselves at risk too.
That's why this Epstein thing is never going to resolve satisfactorily. IF it were just Epstein and a handful of people, you might have a shot... but it seems to be so far-reaching and touch so many people with connections, that there's no way anyone in power to pursue justice wants any part of bringing down that house of cards.
It's sad... but that's the society we live in.
It's not necessarily the parties. It's the fact that it's a duopoly. They have no other competition than each other and they know it. It's why they fight against ranked choice voting.I hate both parties
Couple of things...Not sure what Democrats you are watching, but democrats always go after their own. Even for minor offenses. When a democrat does something wrong they are held accountable and arrested with far more regularity than Republicans. Republicans can seemingly get away with anything and that is never the case for the dems. If anything. People hold Dems to a higher standards and excuse Republican behavior every time.
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And before we get to any smooth brained, mouth breathing "both side'ing" bullshit, only one of these parties is actively trying to impose facism and get people killed. So there's really is no comparison ATM. And attempts to do so rn are stupid at best.
Sounds like standard fair. Take note that anyone having problems with Trump's handling of this should be mad at Biden and Democrats as well. I mean, the Epstein arrest and records go back that far... and you see both sides of the aisle lambasting and demanding files to be released, but the party in charge somehow manages to never release them. Wonder why that is?
So I guess Trump will actually release all the Epstein files after his name and the names of his friends are all redacted. And only the names of liberals and Democrats remain...
So I guess Trump will actually release all the Epstein files after his name and the names of his friends are all redacted. And only the names of liberals and Democrats remain...
Well, I don't really go around trying to prove things, but I'm honestly surprised this is open and free for everyone with an internet connection! (And probably backed up on archive.org.)![]()
File Downloads – Epstein's Black Book
Jeffrey Epstein, an American pedophile, financier, and philantropist had a huge network of rich and powerful acquaintances. Some of these were listed in a contact book found in his New York house when raided by the police. The Little Black Book is presented in a searchable and user friendly...epsteinsblackbook.com
You can find the unredacted book and manifests there.
I don't know why more people don't know about it. Maybe it's blocked from google search?![]()
If Epstein was just a boring everyguy, maybe it wouldn't be important, but seeing what he did, and the scale of it, anyone that had a contact is a suspect of engaging with his shady activities.I'm not sure what relevance a black book has. I mean, I could write down anyone's name and phone number, It wouldn't mean anything, If I wrote a list of names and numbers of a few dozen people whether I know them or not... it wouldn't mean anything if someone found it and posted it online.
i mean Epstein probably had a list and blackmail notes I have to think... but just a black book of contacts could have included his plumber and the pizza guy and who knows.
To be honest I think your both sides approach is pretty flawed.Sounds like standard fair. Take note that anyone having problems with Trump's handling of this should be mad at Biden and Democrats as well. I mean, the Epstein arrest and records go back that far... and you see both sides of the aisle lambasting and demanding files to be released, but the party in charge somehow manages to never release them. Wonder why that is?
Yes, there are copies of the black book online. And it is probably legit. But the files in the possession of the FBI are not avaible. Or only fake ones.![]()
File Downloads – Epstein's Black Book
Jeffrey Epstein, an American pedophile, financier, and philantropist had a huge network of rich and powerful acquaintances. Some of these were listed in a contact book found in his New York house when raided by the police. The Little Black Book is presented in a searchable and user friendly...epsteinsblackbook.com
You can find the unredacted book and manifests there.
I don't know why more people don't know about it. Maybe it's blocked from google search?![]()
Except...To be honest I think your both sides approach is pretty flawed.
Yes, Biden also did not release all the Epstein files. Probably to protect all the liberal elites. But he never promised to release them. In fact if he released them the Trump supporters would have accused him to use them to rig the election into his favor. To manipulate the election.
Moreover, Trump promised to release the Epstein files on day one during his campaign. Biden never promised that. Biden does not seem to be on the client list. Whereas Trump was Epstein's best friend for over a decade. You cannot measure both with the same standards on this issue. If it comes to such actions/illegal crimes Democracts (Trump is a rapist) are looked at way more critical than Republicans. Imagine Joe Biden would have been best friend of Epstein. He would have been impeached pretty early about. But because it is Trump they say whatever and move on. A Democratic president could never survive such a scandal. If a Democratic president ignored the law like Trump he would be impeached pretty early. And the Republians would rightfully call him a fascist for it and pressure the Democrats to concede that. And they would also do it.
Yes, there are copies of the black book online. And it is probably legit. But the files in the possession of the FBI are not avaible. Or only fake ones.
Trump said he is open to release the Epstein files on Fox and Friends and on the podcast of Lex Friedman during the campaign. He did it on several occassions. Sometimes he left some wiggle room that's true.Except...
Bill Clinton was a friend of Epstein... and Democrats are protective of Clinton. And the Clintons and Trump were clearly friends and Trump used to donate to Democrats before he decided to run for President. Allegiances in politics is sometimes fluid depending on who is in power.
Sure Biden wasn't ever suspected of being on the Epstein list... but you can be sure he would protect his Democrat buddies. Also, I don't remember Trump promising to release the Epstein files during the campaign. In fact, I remember a couple of interviews where he was point-blank asked and he hedged saying it might not be a good idea to release all of them.
My point here is that there appears to be enough potential damage to enough powerful people that neither side of the aisle wants the details released. They might say so when the other party has the reigns, but soon as their side takes control, suddenly nothing happens. It's the same old story.
Political allegiances tend to be a lot like sports rivalries... "fans" love their team and hate their rival. If someone on their team does it, spin to excuse it... but if your rival does something? Then it is horrible and must be punished! A tale as old as time.
Those of us on the sidelines wanting equal justice for crimes no matter who commits them... we are very frustrated at this stuff.
I am more mad at Trump because he is the culprit in this instance who is personally involved in it and wants to wash his hands clear by deflecting the public. The Democrats could have even used the Epstein files strategically as a weapon for their campaign. Maybe something Trump wants to achieve by negotiating with Ghislaine Maxwell now. I think the reason why the people are mad at Trump is not because of how intransparent his administration manages such affairs, it is the open conflict of interest of their own president. Some MAGA people are even willing to throw Trump under the bus. Biden could have thrown his Democratic friends under the bus but this would not have been the end of his presidency. He was not in the center of his affair. The people even the own MAGA crowd is mad at Trump because their king tries to cover up his own crimes. The personal involvement makes people sick. The Democrats also wanted to protect their own buddies and and had incentives of not to release it. But it is a completely different dimension whether a former president's reputation got damaged or if a sitting president was exposed to the public.Sounds like standard fair. Take note that anyone having problems with Trump's handling of this should be mad at Biden and Democrats as well. I mean, the Epstein arrest and records go back that far... and you see both sides of the aisle lambasting and demanding files to be released, but the party in charge somehow manages to never release them. Wonder why that is?
100%and further Republicans are WAY better at enacting unpopular/bad policy than Democrats are at enacting good/popular policy!
I think bringing up Biden's mental decline is sort of like throwing a smokebomb into our discussion. Biden's decline was obvious but the media was not interested to inform the public about it. They hid it until it was impossible to deny aka when the debate happened. And many Americans were not interested in learning more about it. I doubt whether insider information would have changed it much. The people had better things to Do and the media did not want to report about it. It is speculative whether Democrats would have exposed Biden's mental decline if he Released the Epstein files. You portray your theory with 100% certainty. It reminds me of theories that Trump cannot release the Epstein files because otherwise the deep state would kill him.Slight tangent... but Biden had to protect himself. While we only saw public meltdowns from Biden in the last year of his term... since Trump's election, a lot of Biden staffers and other Democrats came out about how they had been covering up for Biden for most of his term. So, you can bet if Biden had even hinted at releasing Epstein information that other Democrats who knew how bad Biden's mental decline was behind the scenes would 100% have started coming forward with stuff to get Biden out of office.
There is just too much corruption on both sides of the aisle.
I can absolutely concede that right now one party (Republicans) seems measurably worse on policy, and further Republicans are WAY better at enacting unpopular/bad policy than Democrats are at enacting good/popular policy! So IF you had a gun to your head and had to choose, you should choose Democrat on that basis... but man, we just need better choices. Stuff like the Epstein thing is just additional real-world proof that IF we had better people in office, there would not be so many people willing to cover this shit up.
I wish we lived in a world where this shady and sick stuff never happened at all... but since we don't live in that world, I wish we could at least live in the world where when someone finally gets caught we can punish ALL the people involved in the illegal activities AND anyone involved in cover-up too. Can we at least live in that world? It doesn't seem like it.