k75
L'appel du Vide
- Jun 27, 2019
- 2,546
Ok, I officially don't feel bad for anything that happens to these people anymore.
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TimeTheTaleWereTold
lifeguard, save me from life
- Jan 30, 2020
- 44
"someone who is impressionable or neurodiverse may not fully understand the consequences" wow could you be any more condescending??? i hate these ignorant bastards
I read this entire thread and I must say I'm disgusted by this "Help STOP Pro-Choice Suicide Forum" Facebook group. Charles Parker, Jackie Bieber and all the other members of this Facebook group, if you're reading this, Shawn Shatto and Callie Lewis made their own decision to join this forum and seek advice on how to end their life in a reliable, peaceful manner. No one "encouraged" them to do it, they made that decision themselves. Jackie Bieber, if you're reading this, I know you're grieving, but that doesn't give you the right to try and impose your will on us by having this forum shut down. I fucking hate it when they try and impose their will on people like us, try to restrict access to reliable, peaceful methods (as well as the resources on how to reliably and peacefully end one's own life if one wants to) and try to silence us by wanting to have this forum shut down, it infuriates me. Just because a lot of us are here for psychological reasons doesn't mean we should be forced to either endure ongoing psychological suffering and torment or go to "therapy" to have someone get paid to pretend to listen and understand and/or take tablets that don't fix the root causes of our problems, only mask the symptoms (not to mention they can potentially come with unwanted side effects), besides, there are some members who actually do suffer chronic physical pain or terminal illness. As for suicide hotlines, what's the point of calling them (especially when they can potentially call the cops on you and thus get you involuntarily committed and held in a psych ward against your will). Also, chronic psychological pain can be just as debilitating as chronic physical pain, just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not there. Besides, who are they to say what I can and can't do with my own body, it's my body, my choice, so fuck 'em. If I want to end my life, I have a right to know how to end it reliably and peacefully and I have a right to die on my own terms if I so desire. The censorship they're trying to impose on us by having this forum shut down is disgusting and as a person who firmly believes in freedom of speech and free will, I genuinely hate censorship with a passion and I would sincerely hate to see this forum get taken down.
Jean4
Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
- Apr 28, 2019
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Who cares. In the big scheme of things. Tell me. What can strangers (and very few) on a Facebook page do to you?
They can't shut us down. It is impossible, and writing organizations with screenshots are laughable.
You are anonymous. Unless you give your name and address, how do they even know who you are?
I find it laughable. The worse thing they can come here and spy... which they are already doing... and we laugh when they pro life us. It's an annoyance, but honestly. Besides being an annoyance... that's all there is.
Any pro lifer who wants to contact me, feel free to PM me. I already have had them lol.
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voyager
Don't you dare go hollow...
- Nov 25, 2019
- 965
Quarky00 said:"I will ban any other clearly mentally ill people"
In a group that is about helping the mentally ill?
Now you know what you're dealing with.
Can you imagine the mind of such person, saying they want to help the mentally ill, then using it as derogatory and banning them? I'm not shocked , Im analyzing .
No pro-life -- just silence depression
They do not object suicide. The mental illness is unacceptable. "Mentally ill" is a curse [-word]
(Depression anxiety Bpd etc.. )
The logic here is that they don't give a shit about helping people, because they're fucking pompous self-righteous hypocrites. All they want to do is help themselves. So, they can feel good, get a pat on the back for "saving" lives. When these lives then end in eternal seclusive misery doesn't mean shit to them. These people are the scum of the earth. The "vulnerable" are always "others" who can't think for themselves, not they of course, because they assume to know better than them despite not even being aware of their background story.Broken Chimera said:
thereisnothing is in limbo recovery from what I understand and taking comfort here, Berlin76 is in an official euthanasia programme in Holland (even got the go ahead), whereas crushed_innocence is in torment, and if you cared you'd have read these people's posts, CP, and yet they made it into the first screenshot as the "vulnerable" being mislead. I see these people everyday and yet I wouldn't assume to know their situation or what's best for them. What they in fact feel. Need one really say more?
HopeDiesLast said:
Agree with all you said, except this. Who tf cares? Do you honestly believe it makes a difference? Now I don't know what went down here to be fair, and I do agree one shouldn't reveal one's identity to these people, but if anyone here actually believes there's a means of reasoning with these assholes then I'm sorry to say this, but you are still very naive. Don't get me wrong, I believe I am a reasonable person myself and respect where you (and others) are coming from. I do understand your wish to defeat them on the basis of arguments and facts. I tried reasonable and sensible arguments in the Callie Lewis news thread and the Samaritan hotline myself, but no one really gives a shit, and I knew it. This simply is not about the truth, or how any of us feel, or what is indeed in our best interest. This is about denying us our fundamental right to self-determination in all things, with an underlying disingenuous agenda of their own.
Just imagine what kind of person Charles Parker et al must be to assume he knows better for people he doesn't even know, simply because he heard it in a biased programme? A documentary on Callie's life which didn't even bother letting Callie speak for herself with her note. This Charles Parker do-gooder then insults these people he means to "help" by belittling them as mentally ill. Do you really believe you can talk with such a person? The truth here is that Charles Parker is in fact one of these vulnerable people he sees others as, taking what the media told him to for granted and now he must go on a crusade. lol. What a clown. What a fucking pawn!
But there are plenty of him and unfortunately we don't have mass media at our disposal to sway minds, we don't have multi billion dollar social media companies financing our crusade (who's real aim is to avoid legal liabilty btw not save lives), or corrupt politicians to further our cause, all we have is the truth, the right and what we feel is best for us. But we can't transport it to the public. We can't even get our own families and close one's to understand. I'm sorry, but this battle on reasonable grounds is pointless and whatever we do here, while maintaining the rules of this place, won't make a difference in the long run.
@Charles Parker et al
PS: Sorry for all the swearing, hehe. Am just tired of this society, playing along and the same cycles of spin doctoring over the decades. I'm disillusioned, and if I hadn't any other reasons for ctb'ing, I would now.
russian_roulette
the time for sleep is now
- Feb 23, 2020
- 52
Looks like they know nothing about mental illnesses and what it feels like to really want to die. 
And besides, no one here pushes anyone to kill themselves. We only understand and support each other.
And besides, no one here pushes anyone to kill themselves. We only understand and support each other.
Lost in a Dream
He/him - Metal head
- Feb 22, 2020
- 1,771
It probably also helps that they have seen our army... It's a lot bigger than they thought.
*holds the flag high*
Suicide_vampire
In Vino Veritas
- Feb 11, 2020
- 426
The real point here is that if you are having suicidal thoughts who is in the best place to help you. Someone who tells you what you're feeling is wrong. Or someone who is in the same boat as you and can empathise.
As I have previously said no one on here ever tells someone to act, or pushes someone to ctb.
It's fake outrage on the pro-lifers side, virtue signalling because something is wrong in their own life.
I do wish we could have a normal debate with them, censorship doesn't cure a problem it just shuts down any discussion.
As I have previously said no one on here ever tells someone to act, or pushes someone to ctb.
It's fake outrage on the pro-lifers side, virtue signalling because something is wrong in their own life.
I do wish we could have a normal debate with them, censorship doesn't cure a problem it just shuts down any discussion.
Jean4
Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
- Apr 28, 2019
- 7,557
Look at this rationally. 2 people on Facebook started a group. Did I mention that there is a person there who is the same person with different accounts.Looks like they know nothing about mental illnesses and what it feels like to really want to die.
And besides, no one here pushes anyone to kill themselves. We only understand and support each other.
They were so stupid that they made the group secret. So nobody knows about it.
Their purpose? To scare and upset you. Don't let them win.
Pro lifers. Come after me. Hasn't happened. Why? There is absolutely nothing they can do.
The real point. People on a Facebook page (who happen to be the same person) can do nothing to you. Nothing!!!!
Except this. Make you worry. Don't let them win.
Lost in a Dream
He/him - Metal head
- Feb 22, 2020
- 1,771
k75
L'appel du Vide
- Jun 27, 2019
- 2,546
It's just shocking to me that an actual attempt at discussion was made and it was shut down like that. No chance to reply, no attempt to answer the questions. Just a statement of hate for us.
This showed their true colors. They aren't really concerned with helping suicidal people at all. They specifically have a vandetta against SS.
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Jean4
Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
- Apr 28, 2019
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Exactly. These people who are the same person under different accounts know Baby Yoda is here. Maybe they will bring her a frog.You've been discovered! I know that you are Yoda for real... You can't fool me!
Jean4
Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
- Apr 28, 2019
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Because you can't argue with nuts? Try arguing with a Trump supporter. Lol.
TimeTheTaleWereTold
lifeguard, save me from life
- Jan 30, 2020
- 44
whew! thankfully i don't encounter many of them since i live in the uk... although, brexit supporters and boris fanatics are pretty similar...
Despondent
Archangel
- Dec 20, 2019
- 6,777
In respose to the suicide hotlines where you comment about if they actually helped, you'd be living it up - same here. Honestly, one time I was using the hotline and they told me that I should come back when I have the things that I said I needed for my plan. All for what? The time that I have a noose made and in front of me, I won't be turning back. I will have lost all care in the world. I'm that type of person, and yes, with that type of mindset. I felt like me talking about my curiosity in starting to plan meant nothing. Just to be told to come back when I have what it is that's in my plan. Fuck that! Sorry for the profanity. But seriously.
Jean4
Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
- Apr 28, 2019
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So you understand. There is no way to have a rational conversation, so why bother?
- When one has an agenda one can't hide it. It will eventually appear regardless due to intent.
- There is nothing on SS to hide so it doesnt matter anyway. Its the internet, ffs!
As a natural strategist or one who understands "The Art of War", one should *ALWAYS* expect the opponent to change. It doesnt matter.
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k75
L'appel du Vide
- Jun 27, 2019
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Did you see the post we're talking about? They blatantly ignored sincere questions and a request for help.
Jean4
Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
- Apr 28, 2019
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I have no problems with suicide hotlines. They can exist. I choose not to use them. Others can. People should not force their beliefs that they are good on me.
If pro lifers want to use them, feel free! I'm not going to stop you.
And? It's a Facebook group! They are strangers who primarily is the same person.
What does it matter what a stranger on a Facebook page thinks about this? I don't. Just like I don't care if a person likes cats.
Oh my gawd!!!! A stranger doesn't like cats! I must get rid of them.
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Lost in a Dream
He/him - Metal head
- Feb 22, 2020
- 1,771
That seems like an unusual hotline responder. Don't they usually just read from a script, rather than tell you to call back when your plan is in action? It's like they wanted to listen to it happening for giggles or something. I don't really like these hotlines any more than anyone else, but something seems very off about that individual.
Jean4
Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
- Apr 28, 2019
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You don't like them? Don't use them. I don't. However, if strangers want to use them... I don't care. ;)
k75
L'appel du Vide
- Jun 27, 2019
- 2,546
They are inconsequential and not a threat, but it's very sad to actually witness that kind of behavior. Because if even one person has that mentality, you know countless others around us every day think the same way. That's why so many can't get help. They were so afraid of a real discussion about suicide, they closed it.I have no problems with suicide hotlines. They can exist. I choose not to use them. Others can. People should not force their beliefs that they are good on me.
If pro lifers want to use them, feel free! I'm not going to stop you.
And? It's a Facebook group! They are strangers who primarily is the same person.
What does it matter what a stranger on a Facebook page thinks about this? I don't. Just like I don't care if a person likes cats.
Oh my gawd!!!! A stranger doesn't like cats! I must get rid of them.
Lost in a Dream
He/him - Metal head
- Feb 22, 2020
- 1,771
I know, but the point I was making was that a possible psycho was on the line, one that probably wanted to listen to someone dying for their own entertainment, which is worse than the standard issue script readers you normally get.
Jean4
Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
- Apr 28, 2019
- 7,557
They have to go through a screening process to get the job. I may not agree with them, but they are screened and go through an inadequate training process.
There are some good ones, and so bad. Like in any job.
Not my thing personally, but I have no problems with them. They are better trained than religious clergy who listen to suicidal people.
Quarky00
Enlightened
- Dec 17, 2019
- 1,956
Why none of you bothered entrapping?
Group admin repeats same statement (PR/campaign), ask :
Usually when someone is wrong or lies -- after a while they falter. Act innocently and be nice. Patience. Followups are crucial. Suspect can be easily lead to contradict themselves , get caught up in their lies , or carried away and say something outrageous. Deconstruct every word (they, push, vulnerable). Remain calm, always. Ignore personal address, questions, diversions, deflections ; stick to line of questioning. You're not there to answer their questions or present information -- but to get the "confession" you want .
#InterrogrationTechniques101
Group admin repeats same statement (PR/campaign), ask :
- "How do they push vulnerable people?"
- "Target -- are they on the look for people?"
- "Why do they want people to die? Should they be jailed?"
- "What is 'vulnerable people' ?"
- "These people wouldn't have committed suicide?"
- "How can these people be treated?"
- "I heard X was treated several times, should they be hospitalized (locked down)? For life?"
Usually when someone is wrong or lies -- after a while they falter. Act innocently and be nice. Patience. Followups are crucial. Suspect can be easily lead to contradict themselves , get caught up in their lies , or carried away and say something outrageous. Deconstruct every word (they, push, vulnerable). Remain calm, always. Ignore personal address, questions, diversions, deflections ; stick to line of questioning. You're not there to answer their questions or present information -- but to get the "confession" you want .
#InterrogrationTechniques101
k75
L'appel du Vide
- Jun 27, 2019
- 2,546
RainAndSadness
Administrator
- Jun 12, 2018
- 2,144
Me, observing the group from a far distance.
Jean4
Remember. I am ALWAYS right.... until I’m not
- Apr 28, 2019
- 7,557
So the owner, who is the same person under 2 different accounts now feels powerful. A narcissist borderline.
And if the person upsets us, he won.
It's all control. He found a topic that gets a ride out of us. Don't let them win.
Just remember
1. You can't be rational with irrational people
2. Strangers on a Facebook page who heck. May be Russian Bots can do nothing to you.
3. Don't let them upset you
and most of all. I welcome ANY pro- lifers. Please. Please. Please. I beg you. Come after me!!! Please!!!!
Why is everyone scared of me? They won't come after me. I am beginning to think they don't like me. That makes me sad. I think I will CTB because a pro-lifer stranger under a fake Facebook doesn't like me.
Pro-lifer. You are causing me to be suicidal. Maybe that was your purpose all along..
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