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Soul

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@Shakespear's Brother
Not common knowledge.
Because discussing the sender location is something A not want out in the open.
Thats also why he said destroy the box and trow away bottles before your attempt.

People here and on exit forum dont take that in account that info like that is incriminating for him and his operation. Just like every small detail of everything.

Ok - see, I never knew he asked people to destroy the box and bottles. And although I know the bottles were disguised I never saw anyone publicly state how.

I hope not to contribute further.
 
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Berlin76

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Aug 18, 2019
671
Ok - see, I never knew he asked people to destroy the box and bottles. And although I know the bottles were disguised I never saw anyone publicly state how.

I hope not to contribute further.

Yeah but they out every info that's about it here. And so incriminating themselves abd others and hoping that vpn safes them. Well we know how well that went after the raids people still get.

I have commented on post with info and even reported that in all months past. Its just people dont see how dangerous it is for themselves to blabber everything here.
 
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Mud.

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I understand where you're coming from.

The problem is that the very purpose of this forum is to provide and share information on how to end one's life as peaceful and dignified as possible. I believe that most people that seriously consider buying N. will end their lives with or without it. If you're prepared to knowingly defy the law, forge over a lot of money, and risk the N. being intercepted by customs, you've thought things through. Of course, there will always be exceptions but N. is not an impulsive method.

So how do you regulate what information is shared and in what way?

Exit International has rules in place. You have to buy the PPeH. They only allow 50+ year old members on the board. They rather not deal with people suffering from mental illness. They want your ID.

And yet, the members over there talk/leak constantly too. And you know as well as me that the authorities also have members on that board. Almost all information you find on this board about N. comes straight from the PPeh and their forum.

This public board definitely brings extra exposure to sellers like A. but I don't think it gives out information about A. that the authorities wouldn't have access to without it. Most of the people that got raided in July were Exit members. Exit themselves issued a warning to their members. And still nobody knows exactly what triggered those raids.

When it comes to N., I feel the single biggest threat to this board, unless you want to change the format of the board itself, is scamming.
If you only allow 'sensitive' information to be shared through PM's, that's basically an invite to scammers. New members would be sitting ducks.
If you want to try and protect people against scamming, sometimes it will be impossible not to share certain 'sensitive' information publicly I think.

It's a difficult situation.
How do you protect the (real) sources and members at the same time.
I wish I had a solution.
 
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Chronicillness

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I understand where you're coming from.

The problem is that the very purpose of this forum is to provide and share information on how to end one's life as peaceful and dignified as possible. I believe that most people that seriously consider buying N. will end their lives with or without it. If you're prepared to knowingly defy the law, forge over a lot of money, and risk the N. being intercepted by customs, you've thought things through. Of course, there will always be exceptions but N. is not an impulsive method.

So how do you regulate what information is shared and in what way?

Exit International has rules in place. You have to buy the PPeH. They only allow 50+ year old members on the board. They rather not deal with people suffering from mental illness. They want your ID.

And yet, the members over there talk/leak constantly too. And you know as well as me that the authorities also have members on that board. Almost all information you find on this board about N. comes straight from the PPeh and their forum.

This public board definitely brings extra exposure to sellers like A. but I don't think it gives out information about A. that the authorities wouldn't have access to without it. Most of the people that got raided in July were Exit members. Exit themselves issued a warning to their members. And still nobody knows exactly what triggered those raids.

When it comes to N., I feel the single biggest threat to this board, unless you want to change the format of the board itself, is scamming.
If you only allow 'sensitive' information to be shared through PM's, that's basically an invite to scammers. New members would be sitting ducks.
If you want to try and protect people against scamming, sometimes it will be impossible not to share certain 'sensitive' information publicly I think.

It's a difficult situation.
How do you protect the (real) sources and members at the same time.
I wish I had a solution.

The Exit International members that got raided.... is there a post on SS about it? What happened to them, legally speaking?
 
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Mud.

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The Exit International members that got raided.... is there a post on SS about it? What happened to them, legally speaking?
Probably. But there were hundreds of posts and many threads were removed.
From what I remember, legally speaking, they just lost their N.
The people that kept their doors shut and refused to speak to the police managed to keep it.

If I remember correctly Dr. PN did a podcast about it and gave a Twitter warning.
 
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Chronicillness

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Probably. But there were hundreds of posts and many threads were removed.
But from what I remember, legally speaking, they just lost their N.
The people that kept their door shut and refused to speak to the police managed to keep it.

If I remember correctly Dr. PN did a podcast about it and/or gave a twitter warning.


My biggest concern with ordering N is confrontation by law enforcement, arrest, being booked into a jail and criminal prosecution. It's a shame those threads were deleted, it would have been nice to know if the people caught were from the US or elsewhere. I'd think that the US has a no-tolerance policy for ordering yourself a peaceful exit (lol). I can't risk getting locked up for even one night considering my very severe medical conditions.
 
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Mud.

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Oct 27, 2018
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My biggest concern with ordering N is confrontation by law enforcement, arrest, being booked into a jail and criminal prosecution. It's a shame those threads were deleted, it would have been nice to know if the people caught were from the US or elsewhere. I'd think that the US has a no-tolerance policy for ordering yourself a peaceful exit (lol). I can't risk getting locked up for even one night considering my very severe medical conditions.
As far as I can remember, and I followed most of those threads back then, nobody was ever arrested and put in jail.
In none of the countries were raids took place.

But there are other older members here.
When these raids were happening this forum almost exploded.
Maybe they remember more information/details.
 
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As far as I can remember, and I've followed most of those threads back then, nobody was every arrested and put in jail.
In none of the countries were raids took place.

But there are other older members here.
When these raids were happening this forum almost exploded.
Maybe they remember more information/details.

Hopefully they chime in. "Countries", sadly is still a very vague input :(, there's a massive difference between the US and other countries for this sort of thing. Nonetheless, thank you for your information
 
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Soul

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As far as I can remember, and I followed most of those threads back then, nobody was every arrested and put in jail.
In none of the countries were raids took place.

But there are other older members here.
When these raids were happening this forum almost exploded.
Maybe they remember more information/details.

If I recall correctly, some Canadians who got raided said they'd been taken to psych wards. There was a lot of brouhaha over whether that was true or not. Then more raids followed in various countries.
 
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SerenitySeeker

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I really don't want to see this thread get derailed from its original purpose, not to rehash what gets talked to death in each and every thread about N. I don't mean any harm, but there is a search tab up above that gives access to some of the information to what happened in the past months.

@Chronicillness. To answer your question, there was never any definitive answer as to what happened legally as nobody kept anyone up to date with a blow by blow account on here after they reported of their N being taken by police. Some reported being put on a mental hospital on a hold and some stated just their product being taken. Unless someone knows someone personally that it happened to or it happened to you, it would be difficult to give a definitive answer on if anything legally happened. For all intents and purposes, no one has ever stated that it has on this board.
There are news articles that you can read that will give you a sense of what countries were all included.
 
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Chronicillness

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I really don't want to see this thread get derailed from its original purpose, not to rehash what gets talked to death in each and every thread about N. I don't mean any harm, but there is a search tab up above that gives access to some of the information to what happened in the past months.

@Chronicillness. To answer your question, there was never any definitive answer as to what happened legally as nobody kept anyone up to date with a blow by blow account on here after they reported of their N being taken by police. Some reported being put on a mental hospital on a hold and some stated just their product being taken. Unless someone knows someone personally that it happened to or it happened to you, it would be difficult to give a definitive answer on if anything legally happened. For all intents and purposes, no one has ever stated that it has on this board.
There are news articles that you can read that will give you a sense of what countries were all included.

Thanks for your reply. I know there's a unnegotiable risk when it comes to buying N online from people like A, so there's no guarantee that I can be free from getting entrapped by law enforcement, but due to circumstances completely out of my control, I need to absolutely avoid even a single overnight stay in a jail house because I require medical devices and various technologies to ensure my organs function during the day—in which the jail would most certianly not provide. This also goes for psych wards as well. So I'm not syaing I have more to lose than others here, but I do have a lot I am gambling on.


I'll do some more research on my conerns and see what I can come up with
 
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Berlin76

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As far as I can remember, and I followed most of those threads back then, nobody was ever arrested and put in jail.
In none of the countries were raids took place.

But there are other older members here.
When these raids were happening this forum almost exploded.
Maybe they remember more information/details.

Yeah totally remember this.
Also all the trolls / police who where active among the members who where causing the trouble also
 
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Berlin76

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I understand where you're coming from.

The problem is that the very purpose of this forum is to provide and share information on how to end one's life as peaceful and dignified as possible. I believe that most people that seriously consider buying N. will end their lives with or without it. If you're prepared to knowingly defy the law, forge over a lot of money, and risk the N. being intercepted by customs, you've thought things through. Of course, there will always be exceptions but N. is not an impulsive method.

So how do you regulate what information is shared and in what way?

Exit International has rules in place. You have to buy the PPeH. They only allow 50+ year old members on the board. They rather not deal with people suffering from mental illness. They want your ID.

And yet, the members over there talk/leak constantly too. And you know as well as me that the authorities also have members on that board. Almost all information you find on this board about N. comes straight from the PPeh and their forum.

This public board definitely brings extra exposure to sellers like A. but I don't think it gives out information about A. that the authorities wouldn't have access to without it. Most of the people that got raided in July were Exit members. Exit themselves issued a warning to their members. And still nobody knows exactly what triggered those raids.

When it comes to N., I feel the single biggest threat to this board, unless you want to change the format of the board itself, is scamming.
If you only allow 'sensitive' information to be shared through PM's, that's basically an invite to scammers. New members would be sitting ducks.
If you want to try and protect people against scamming, sometimes it will be impossible not to share certain 'sensitive' information publicly I think.

It's a difficult situation.
How do you protect the (real) sources and members at the same time.
I wish I had a solution.

To the question how do you regulate what info is talked about.

1: no spoonfeeding on how to search etc people really need to do their own research and search.
2: not giving out info on payments that people made for themselves because its incriminating.
3: dont make a how to make orderpost with time-line like we have seen enough here.
4: dont talk about every detail of packing like with A and Bob, bobs supplies got seized by customs from that moment on he is gone now that fast.
5: dont awnser to people who play stupid about ordering who only are to lazy to do their own work.
6: dont talk about geolocations like with A and b.
7: dont talk out in the open what city you are from, so easy to ip track people that way even with your vpn on.
8: do not touch links who are send to you in pm these can contain trackers that will show precise location even with vpn on.
9: dont post on how your order process went from begin to end, have seen this so much and is very incriminating for yourself.
10: keep as much info for yourself people who really want to die, will find it on their own.
11: dont think you are safe to talk about everything here in the open because this is the forum for it their are boundaries and Law enforcement is reading also maybe even talking to you.
12: do not go outside this page with people on phone you never know who you are talking to, this happens so much here.
 
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★†DaughterOfEve†★

Another pharma destroyed life :(
Nov 24, 2019
126
I just received an email from D with a picture of N attatched as he promised. It also has a note on top with my protonmail username on it & today's date!
 
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Mud.

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Oct 27, 2018
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I just received an email from D with a picture of N attatched as he promised. It also has a note on top with my protonmail username on it & today's date!
And that's his usual method.
Then he sends nothing, or not what you had agreed upon, or it arrives after months in horrible condition.
 
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Ark

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Test results are in. 56mg/ml is what the test came back as. Now there are several things to note here.

1. With 120ml that translates to 6.72gm of N. This is enough to peacefully CTB.

2. If you order just one bottle it is much cheaper, and you get almost the same amount of N.

3. If you order just one bottle you have a much better chance of getting a properly sealed bottle of N.

4. I am still extremely concerned about the sample one member received that had particulates in it. That is another danger of ordering two bottles, if the product is unsealed and transferred to another container then possible contamination is a true concern.

5. The most important thing right now though is for all of us that got the two plastic small bottles, it is N. And it is enough to CTB.

I am still not happy with the way A is doing things right now, but the bottom line is what he is sending will get the job done.
 
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jgm63

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Test results are in. 56mg/ml is what the test came back as. Now there are several things to note here.

1. With 120ml that translates to 6.72gm of N. This is enough to peacefully CTB.

2. If you order just one bottle it is much cheaper, and you get almost the same amount of N.

3. If you order just one bottle you have a much better chance of getting a properly sealed bottle of N.

4. I am still extremely concerned about the sample one member received that had particulates in it. That is another danger of ordering two bottles, if the product is unsealed and transferred to another container then possible contamination is a true concern.

5. The most important thing right now though is for all of us that got the two plastic small bottles, it is N. And it is enough to CTB.

I am still not happy with the way A is doing things right now, but the bottom line is what he is sending will get the job done.
Great job @Ark
I wonder what the shelf life would be for the transferred plastic bottle case....
I suppose it might be difficult to know....
 
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I promised not to name anyone involved but it was not me that sent in the sample for testing. I couldn't afford it to be honest. But, thank you to everyone that has been helping me with all this and to the people who paid for the testing. These were very needed answers.
 
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I promised not to name anyone involved but it was not me that sent in the sample for testing. I couldn't afford it to be honest. But, thank you to everyone that has been helping me with all this and to the people who paid for the testing. These were very needed answers.
Would you happen to know any regional information ?
e.g. has anyone in UK / Europe / USA, etc, successfully received anything ?
 
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Thanks @Ark for keeping us thoroughly updated. I'm glad to hear for the individuals involved that testing came back as positive as they could be when looking at the circumstances.
 
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Is A's email in the newer versions of the PPH? I can't seem to find it on the one linked in the resources section. It only mentions AV, which I believe no longer operates?
 
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★†DaughterOfEve†★

Another pharma destroyed life :(
Nov 24, 2019
126
Thanks for posting this @Ark It's much appreciated, so does this now mean that it's ok to order from A again? I really need to get N asap.
 
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Test results are in. 56mg/ml is what the test came back as. Now there are several things to note here...
Do you mean that he now sends 100ml glass bottles of N. that contain 5.6 grams of Pentobarbital and that these are unopened sealed bottles?
(If you only order one bottle I mean.)

btw
Thank you very much for the update.
And to all involved, thank you for going the extra mile.
 
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Do you mean that he now sends 100ml glass bottles of N. that contain 5.6 grams of Pentobarbital and that these are unopened sealed bottles?

btw
Thank you very much for the update.
And to all involved, thank you for going the extra mile.
It sounds like the sealed bottles contain 6 grams of N. If you order two it sounds like you get two smaller plastic bottles with 6.7 grams total.
 
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I'm glad that A still sends real N, but it's unfortunate that he is sending 1 bottle's worth of N repackaged in 2 tinier bottles to double his profits.

This just looks really dishonest/suspect. He must know people coming to him expect two 100 ml sealed bottles containing 12 g N for $750-850, but instead he gives you 6 g whether you pay 4 or 8 hundred.

He never did anything like this before. It looks like he is still in the game, but not like before
 
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It sounds like the sealed bottles contain 6 grams of N. If you order two it sounds like you get two smaller plastic bottles with 6.7 grams total.
Yeah. I just want to know for sure.

I wonder if he still sends the same bottles. They should contain 6.3 grams of Pentobarbital per 100 ml.
All regular Mexican N. bottles contain that much Pentobarbital as far as I know.
 
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Yeah. I just want to know for sure.

I wonder if he still sends the same bottles. They should contain 6.3 grams of Pentobarbital per 100 ml.
All regular Mexican N. bottles contain that much Pentobarbital as far as I know.
@Ark, can you confirm my assessment? Maybe it's not accurate.
 
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The assumption is the bottles are originally 6.3 or 6.0 per 100ml depending on exactly which type he currently is selling. With the smaller plastic bottles I am assuming there is degradation loss due to it being opened and transferred to another container. I believe that is why it came back at 56gm/ml rather than 60 or 63.

I believe two people that I know of at this point are not in the USA that received product recently. I can not remember where they were but will look into it.

The 100ml sealed glass bottles should contain either 6 or 6.3gm of N.

As for if anyone should or should not order, I am just trying to make sure everyone has all the info they need to make that decision for themselves. I can say that what we got, is N.

And AV is A.
 
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The assumption is the bottles are originally 6.3 or 6.0 per 100ml depending on exactly which type he currently is selling. With the smaller plastic bottles I am assuming there is degradation loss due to it being opened and transferred to another container. I believe that is why it came back at 56gm/ml rather than 60 or 63.

I believe two people that I know of at this point are not in the USA that received product recently. I can not remember where they were but will look into it.

The 100ml sealed glass bottles should contain either 6 or 6.3gm of N.

As for if anyone should or should not order, I am just trying to make sure everyone has all the info they need to make that decision for themselves. I can say that what we got, is N.

And AV is A.

Thank you x a million for this thread and clarifying my question. I'm much more comfortable ordering from him now. I think it's worth the wait to go with N rather than SN
 
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