Getting N from A. Things everyone should know.

[HereToday]

Sorry to go slightly off topic but could someone tell me how much N is now? Reading this thread it does seem like ordering the 2 bottles separately is the best option, but that's probably going to cost more right T__T


I'm also worried about this... :/

I believe I read somewhere that one bottle is $400, hopefully someone can confirm
Edit: confirmed

 

[Ark]

Who freaking cares if you sleep 2 hours or 24 hours before you peacefully pass away. Just plan accordingly. It's not like you are suffering during that time either. I am tired of this argument, what about people that can not afford two bottles? So they should not CTB the way they want to because they MIGHT sleep too long? How is that humane or even make sense in any way? Especially when no one can point to a single documented case where someone survived 6gm of N without intervention?

I am sorry I get upset about this but people have the right to die how they want to and I can not support telling someone they have to pick a method they don't want because they are short $300 when all documented cases say that one bottle is enough.

I am not saying that if someone wants to take more they shouldn't, I am just saying that all of the documented cases point to 6gm working just fine. And no documented cases showing 6gm failing. If I might sleep 24 hours so be it, I will just make sure no one bothers me that long.

 

[jgm63]

Who freaking cares if you sleep 2 hours or 24 hours before you peacefully pass away. Just plan accordingly. It's not like you are suffering during that time either. I am tired of this argument, what about people that can not afford two bottles? So they should not CTB the way they want to because they MIGHT sleep too long? How is that humane or even make sense in any way? Especially when no one can point to a single documented case where someone survived 6gm of N without intervention?

I am sorry I get upset about this but people have the right to die how they want to and I can not support telling someone they have to pick a method they don't want because they are short $300 when all documented cases say that one bottle is enough.

I am not saying that if someone wants to take more they shouldn't, I am just saying that all of the documented cases point to 6gm working just fine. And no documented cases showing 6gm failing. If I might sleep 24 hours so be it, I will just make sure no one bothers me that long.

I mostly agree with this.
The problem that remains is that some people will read the Derek Humphry blog and will buy into that, because it seems convincing.
Personally I don't feel confident enough to be able to completely dismiss that blog currently.
If exit (or some other body) were able to publish a significant dataset with a set of easy to follow conclusions then that might resolve the issue.
But at present, there is divided opinion, and I can see both sides.

@Ark : Do you know of any datasets that can be accessed ? ( or where details of the various documented cases can be located )
However, I feel like you've already put so much effort in, so please don't feel driven to launch into another mini-project (unless something in you really wishes to). Perhaps someone else will pick up that part of the quest....

 

[Ark]

I found two specific studies stating no failures with 6gm ingested. When I have the energy I will find them again. I am always open and willing to learn more, and accept when I am wrong. The problem is I try to look at things like this logically. And in my research I never found a single case study where someone survived 6gm without intervention. So that is where I base my statements.

 

[jgm63]

I found two specific studies stating no failures with 6gm ingested. When I have the energy I will find them again. I am always open and willing to learn more, and accept when I am wrong. The problem is I try to look at things like this logically. And in my research I never found a single case study where someone survived 6gm without intervention. So that is where I base my statements.

Thanks @Ark If you do get around to finding those references then that would be great, but don't feel rushed or pressured to do so

 

[blueming]

I believe I read somewhere that one bottle is $400, hopefully someone can confirm
Edit: confirmed

Thanks! ^^

I found two specific studies stating no failures with 6gm ingested. When I have the energy I will find them again. I am always open and willing to learn more, and accept when I am wrong. The problem is I try to look at things like this logically. And in my research I never found a single case study where someone survived 6gm without intervention. So that is where I base my statements.

Are there cases with 6gm where someone was found and survived? If so were there any complications due to the N? This might be an irrational concern but I'm worried about failing and ending up with brain damage or something.

By the way thank you @Ark for all the effort you've put into researching this =)

 

[NextBusLeaving]

Absolutely correct. If we take the test as factual what we can know for sure is that the people with two 60ml bottles have 6.72gm of N. Everything else is hypothesis unless someone tested a sealed 100ml bottle. However, if it is a sealed 100ml bottle, I personally would feel confident that I had 6gm of N which would be enough for me to feel comfortable with it.

Schrodingers Suicide.

 

[Berlin76]

I mostly agree with this.
The problem that remains is that some people will read the Derek Humphry blog and will buy into that, because it seems convincing.
Personally I don't feel confident enough to be able to completely dismiss that blog currently.
If exit (or some other body) were able to publish a significant dataset with a set of easy to follow conclusions then that might resolve the issue.
But at present, there is divided opinion, and I can see both sides.

@Ark : Do you know of any datasets that can be accessed ? ( or where details of the various documented cases can be located )
However, I feel like you've already put so much effort in, so please don't feel driven to launch into another mini-project (unless something in you really wishes to). Perhaps someone else will pick up that part of the quest....

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The cases that are known are in internet like the below.

Pentobarbital Toxicity after Self-Administration of Euthasol Veterinary Euthanasia Medication

Suicide attempt via sodium pentobarbital is uncommon. A 48-year-old woman with a history of depression and prior suicide attempt was found unresponsive by her veterinarian spouse near a syringe containing pink solution. Upon EMS’ arrival, the patient was experiencing apnea, hypoxemia, and miotic...

www.hindawi.com

This next has 10 cases of death.

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The next one is about a 37 year old male.

Pentobarbital in the context of possible suicides: Analysis of a Case - PubMed

Pentobarbital is a barbiturate, acting as a central nervous system depressant (CNS), being used for its anticonvulsant, sedative, hypnotic and anaesthetic properties. Barbiturates were replaced by benzodiazepines, leading to a decrease in poisoning cases with these compounds. However...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The next is about amounts that people took and what is best to really pas away and play it safe. One bottle can be safe for older people who are sick already but one does not have to be enough for young healthy people.

And attached file with cases of suicide

 

[NextBusLeaving]

Who freaking cares if you sleep 2 hours or 24 hours before you peacefully pass away. Just plan accordingly. It's not like you are suffering during that time either. I am tired of this argument, what about people that can not afford two bottles? So they should not CTB the way they want to because they MIGHT sleep too long? How is that humane or even make sense in any way? Especially when no one can point to a single documented case where someone survived 6gm of N without intervention?

I am sorry I get upset about this but people have the right to die how they want to and I can not support telling someone they have to pick a method they don't want because they are short $300 when all documented cases say that one bottle is enough.

I am not saying that if someone wants to take more they shouldn't, I am just saying that all of the documented cases point to 6gm working just fine. And no documented cases showing 6gm failing. If I might sleep 24 hours so be it, I will just make sure no one bothers me that long.

Right. All these threads always develop into pissing contests between the "one is enough" crowd and the "if a little is good a lot must be better" cronies.

 

[jgm63]

Right. All these threads always develop into pissing contests between the "one is enough" crowd and the "if a little is good a lot must be better" cronies.

Yes, but that's because there is genuinely confusing and conflicting information in various places, and people don't have enough data to know which is correct....

 

[LMLN]

Yes, but that's because there is genuinely confusing and conflicting information in various places, and people don't have enough data to know which is correct....

And it's really critical since we don't want to fail. So there is understable concern and debate.

 

[NextBusLeaving]

Yes, but that's because there is genuinely confusing and conflicting information in various places, and people don't have enough data to know which is correct....

Right, but the point is human physiology is not digital; its very, very analog and very subjective. You cant flip a switch and turn someone on/off. What kills you might be just a bad day or a stomachache for me. Everyones genetics and epigenetics are different.

There are legit ppl who are genetically safe from lead poisoning. Itd kill you or me but dude could eat a pound of lead. All that can be said is what is good/likely good for most ppl. Thats as far as is worth speculating. Buy the ticket, take the ride as Dr. Thompson used to say.

No different than the old 9mm vs 45 debate when i used to shoot. So the threads get jacked and become less useful. Ppl get pissed. Lots of heat is generated with little light

And it's really critical since we don't want to fail. So there is understable concern and debate.

See my post below yours. Asking "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" is as likely a more answerable question than "how much nembutal will kill me?"

 

[jgm63]

Right, but the point is human physiology is not digital; its very, very analog and very subjective. You cant flip a switch and turn someone on/off. What kills you might be just a bad day or a stomachache for me. Everyones genetics and epigenetics are different.

There are legit ppl who are genetically safe from lead poisoning. Itd kill you or me but dude could eat a pound of lead. All that can be said is what is good/likely good for most ppl. Thats as far as is worth speculating. Buy the ticket, take the ride as Dr. Thompson used to say.

No different than the old 9mm vs 45 debate when i used to shoot. So the threads get jacked and become less useful. Ppl get pissed. Lots of heat is generated with little light

See my post below yours. Asking "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" is as likely a more answerable question than "how much nembutal will kill me?"

Although I respect your viewpoint, I don't, personally agree.
Exit are saying "6g is enough for nearly everyone".
The Derek Humphry blog says the opposite.
That's severely confusing, and leaves people in a tight spot if they want to order from A.
So we're trying to see if any facts can be gathered together to see whether the truth lies in the middle or at either extreme, etc.

Personally I see that as a worthwhile endeavour...
Even if we fail, but document it well, that might (no guarantees though) save other people the same effort, or give someone a starting point to dig deeper next time around....

 

[Ark]

Critical data. That actually isn't all that tough. Have people passed away from ingesting 6gm of N? The answer is yes. Does anyone contest that? Does anyone at all believe no one has ever died from ingesting 6gm of N? I hope not, because they would be terribly wrong.

Second question. can anyone provide a link to a single case study of someone surviving after ingesting 6gm of N without being found for let's say 24 hours? Just one? There are several people arguing this point so please, just post one link to validate your claim. And no all of these posts where they don't know how much N was used doesn't count. And when they don't know how long they had the N in them doesn't count. And when they were rescued by a hospital doesn't count.

This is about critical data. Have people passed from 6gm of N? Yes, that is a fact. Well documented also. Has anyone survived after ingesting 6gm of N and no intervention?

You can't base an argument on not having data on something that hasn't happened.

 

[Berlin76]

As a fact 2 grams is lethal already.
6 grams kill elderly and sick people easily but time of death depends.
15 grams like euthanasia organizations use these days killl young and old in healthy conditions also.

 

[Meant2Die]

Right, but the point is human physiology is not digital; its very, very analog and very subjective. You cant flip a switch and turn someone on/off. What kills you might be just a bad day or a stomachache for me. Everyones genetics and epigenetics are different.

There are legit ppl who are genetically safe from lead poisoning. Itd kill you or me but dude could eat a pound of lead. All that can be said is what is good/likely good for most ppl. Thats as far as is worth speculating. Buy the ticket, take the ride as Dr. Thompson used to say.

No different than the old 9mm vs 45 debate when i used to shoot. So the threads get jacked and become less useful. Ppl get pissed. Lots of heat is generated with little light

See my post below yours. Asking "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" is as likely a more answerable question than "how much nembutal will kill me?"

Amen.
I think all the discussion is fine and understandable, but the bottom line its a risk on many levels (everything from interception by customs, a visit from the police, to A scamming you this or that way, it not showing up at all, how many bottles to take, drugs interactions, personal health/genetics.)
NO ONE can GUARANTEE YOU ANYTHING. You either decide to go for it with the current information available or not.
I've said my little bit and I feel content now :)

Ps. Don't forget thats why the PpH added the Dilantin info which is suppose to potentiate the N if quality is questionable.

 

[jgm63]

Amen.
I think all the discussion is fine and understandable, but the bottom line its a risk on many levels (everything from interception by customs, a visit form the police after, to A scamming you this or that way, it not showing up, how many bottles to take, drugs interactions, personal genetics.)
NO ONE can GUARANTEE YOU ANYTHING. You either decide to go for it with the information avail or not.
I've said my little bit and I feel content now :)

But just saying, "oh sod all this "data" stuff" is not really the way to go when dealing with such a serious matter as this, when the realities of the outcome are a lot more real than typing here in a posting window.
Nobody is talking about guarantees, but it makes sense to try to get data.
And since the data out there seems to contradict so severely, it's logical to want to see why there is such a disparity....

 

[Ark]

And it is always welcome and appreciated @Meant2Die

 

[NextBusLeaving]

Critical data. That actually isn't all that tough. Have people passed away from ingesting 6gm of N? The answer is yes. Does anyone contest that? Does anyone at all believe no one has ever died from ingesting 6gm of N? I hope not, because they would be terribly wrong.

Second question. can anyone provide a link to a single case study of someone surviving after ingesting 6gm of N without being found for let's say 24 hours? Just one? There are several people arguing this point so please, just post one link to validate your claim. And no all of these posts where they don't know how much N was used doesn't count. And when they don't know how long they had the N in them doesn't count. And when they were rescued by a hospital doesn't count.

This is about critical data. Have people passed from 6gm of N? Yes, that is a fact. Well documented also. Has anyone survived after ingesting 6gm of N and no intervention?

You can't base an argument on not having data on something that hasn't happened.

Plus, its the internet. Every story you havent lived must be taken with a grain of sodium nitrite. I read a reddit thread once where a dude claimed he survived a 13g pento overdose. True? Idk. Bullshit? Idk. But does that outlier mean we all need 3 bottles to be safe? At what point to we simply accept that its like buying a lotto ticket - you pays your money and ya takes your chances.

 

[Ark]

@jgm63

Where is the contradiction? Does that blog post ( which I have read several times ) link a single case study where it or known a person interested 6gm of N and was not found and survived?

 

[jgm63]

Plus, its the internet. Every story you havent lived must be taken with a grain of sodium nitrite. I read a reddit thread once where a dude claimed he survived a 13g pento overdose. True? Idk. Bullshit? Idk. But does that outlier mean we all need 3 bottles to be safe? At what point to we simply accept that its like buying a lotto ticket - you pays your money and ya takes your chances.

Perhaps we should settle this with a real life fight.....
Time and place anyone ?
( joking )

 

[NextBusLeaving]

But just saying, "oh sod all this "data" stuff" is not really the way to go when dealing with such a serious matter as this, when the realities of the outcome are a lot more real than typing here in a posting window.
Nobody is talking about guarantees, but it makes sense to try to get data.
And since the data out there seems to contradict so severely, it's logical to want to see why there is such a disparity....

Id be willing to guess the lack of data is the cause of the disparity.

If pento was killing 100k ppl a year like fentanyl, wed have a lot more evidence for a lethal dose. But were talking 30 studies tops and a couple of assisted suicide blogs so the sample set is s m a l l and likely error-riddled

 

[jgm63]

@jgm63

Where is the contradiction? Does that blog post ( which I have read several times ) link a single case study where it or known a person interested 6gm of N and was not found and survived?

Not certain, I would need to give it a closer examination keeping in mind what you are saying.... Perhaps tomorrow.....

 

[NextBusLeaving]

Perhaps we should settle this with a real life fight.....
Time and place anyone ?
( joking )

Id say pistols at dawn but then SOMEONE is gonna chime in with "well is 9mm enough or should we use 45s?"

 

[NotOfThisEarth]

I have been talking to several other members here and on another CTB forum about current experiences with A. This is a collection of everything that we have experienced dealing with A currently.

I have talked to 7 other people here who have ordered from A.

First, when ordering from A The expectation is to receive sealed 100ml glass bottles of N. A also gives a timeline of 20 to 25 days. A randomly asks some people for their phone numbers also. Can't seem to find a rhyme or reason as to who he requests it from.

My order was for two bottles. My order took 19 days. What was immediately odd though was A had told me my order was shipped 17 days before I received it. And when I got the package I realized it was sent 3 days ago. When I opened the package instead of the two sealed 100ml glass N bottles I was expecting, I had two 60ml unsealed plastic bottles. One of which I could immediately smell the chemical smell of the product. I contacted A with these concerns and A replied that the product was good and I had his word. He did not respond to the amount questions, the unsealed questions, or anything else. He has since stopped responding to any of my emails.

Member 2 also ordered two bottles, and received the same as I did. That member also reached out to A with questions and also is not being responded to. This member decided to have the product tested.

Member 3 ordered two bottles. Received one bottle but at least it is the proper 100ml glass bottle. A has promised to send this member another bottle. Will update if it is received.

Member 4 never received their order. A claims it was probably intercepted. There is no way to confirm or deny this of course.

Member 5 ordered one bottle, received one large ( larger than 100ml ) bottle that was partially used, and not properly sealed.

Member 6 is still waiting for delivery. They ordered two bottles and are now at 27 days.

Member 7 ordered two 100ml bottles and received the two 60ml unsealed bottles yet again. One bottle actually leaked in the package due to not being sealed, and was not clear, with particulates in it.

What I have learned that might be key here is that this is not how A operated before October. Since October however many people are very concerned with how A is operating. On the other forum the talks are similar. People getting the unsealed plastic bottles, getting the wrong orders and so forth.

As soon as the member here gets the test results they will be posted by me or them if they want to post it. Several members involved do not want their names used so please do not ask here or in PM as I will not give them out.

My personal advice right now would be to be very cautious, obviously something is very wrong right now. The product could still very well be N, one of the members actually tasted it and said it tasted similar to what would be expected. But, until the test results come back we do not know for sure. Also, be aware that there is no way of knowing what you might receive right now as in quantity, quality, anything. From people I have spoken to from here and the other forum no one has received 2 100ml sealed glass bottles since around the beginning of November.

I do have to say though that if the test comes back positive for N with at least 60mg/ml that would mean that all of us who got the two 60ml bottles would have about 8gm of N. Which is more than enough to peacefully CTB. So we are of course hoping that is the case.

Now, with all the transferred and unsealed product we also have to worry about shelf life. A few of us are researching that and I will update as we learn more.

Another concern is the product being tainted. One member had one bottle that was not clear and appeared to have particulates in it. This is extremely concerning for obvious reasons. I believe that member is having it tested also.

A also stops responding it seems once one gets the product and starts asking questions about their concerns. I have been told by several previous customers that A before November never acted that way. There is a ton of speculation as to why that is, but I will not speculate. I am trying to find the real answers. As I get answers I will update here.

This is all very concerning. This is incredibly serious. I spent every penny I had saved up to get this from A and expected 2 100 ml sealed bottles of N. And I am not alone. We are talking about people counting on A to deliver as promised for people that have gone to him as their means for their final act in life. To find our peace, the way we want to.

I am reporting my experience and findings to EI, as are others.

I promise to update all findings until I CTB myself. Please just use caution for now, I hate that A is the only source that is recommended to us and these things are happening. So I don't want to tell people not to order because our options are limited, and the product might still be N. We should know soon. But there is a lot wrong right now. So use your own discretion. I just want everyone to have all the information available.

Also, if anyone wants to talk to me about any of this, or their own experience, you can respond here of course or you can PM me if you want. As crazy as it may sound to some, all I want is to help others get to any conclusions we can for others while I am still here.
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[NextBusLeaving]

Btw not dragging anybody just saying at some point the question becomes unanswerable. I get the research and study. If its worth doing its worth doing right. But i also feel like with 6.3g of a lethal barbiturate, parsing it too much is like the endless "birdshot vs buckshot" debate. Its meaningless. Like Denis Leary said, "make sure you get your whole head in front of the shotgun."

 

[jgm63]

Btw not dragging anybody just saying at some point the question becomes unanswerable. I get the research and study. If its worth doing its worth doing right. But i also feel like with 6.3g of a lethal barbiturate, parsing it too much is like the endless "birdshot vs buckshot" debate. Its meaningless. Like Denis Leary said, "make sure you get your whole head in front of the shotgun."

Well some of us think we might be able to get to the bottom of it, to some degree, but I guess we'll see.
Perhaps we'll end up in your school of thought in a few days from now, guess we'll letcha know....

 

[SinisterKid]

That is the problem now. When does it all become too much? It already has because none of the threads manage to stay on track, so no resolutions are ever found. Just more confusion is created by the endless rounds of he said she said because as already stated, the samples required for sufficient data simply do not exist.

As for actually acquiring the damned stuff, that is a real lottery. There are so many scammers, so many false e mails, raids, potency issues, its endless. So far, not one of the threads I have read has given us a definitive answer of who we can trust and who we cant trust. So many people claim to have the answers and yet no one is able to supply them. Flogging and dead horses spring to mind.

 

[Meant2Die]

Perhaps we should settle this with a real life fight.....
Time and place anyone ?
( joking )

In honor of BPD_LE I'm just gonna leave this GIF here :) (I hope my punches didn't hurt too much, lol)

 

[jgm63]

LMLN and other Posters - I have been thinking about what you just wrote about and remembering as best I can about the good-bye threads we have seen in the last couple months. A couple of observations are making me wonder if SN isn't a better choice for several reasons.
1. I noticed when a member post they drank the SN, in very short order they report being dizzy and they are going to lie down. And that is the last we hear from them, even those who were posting a lot before the drink. So it makes me think unconsciousness comes rather quick, and the feature of N heretofore is that it makes you unconscious quick, and you die in your sleep. IF both knock you out quick, and you die after you sleep, the only difference may be the time it takes to die, though I read ranges on both methods. Making sure you aren't discovered takes away that concern. Anyway, now we can look at the next comparison.
2. Costs, I don't need to say much but we are talking hundreds of dollars less for SN
3. SN is not illegal to possess or get in the mail, N has all kinds of worries here, including having to give your out your name, ID, and address to the seller, the courier, Westerunion, the counter clerk, the postal service maybe.
4. I don't think any SN has ever been confiscated by authorities knocking on your door, but we know the havoc wreaked on N buyers round the world.
5. Taste / Vomiting - antiemetics are used for both so I don't need to discuss the vomiting, but from the goodbye postings, the taste of SN just doesn't sound as bad and is obviously doable given the number of CTB we see on SS forum. I read much more about SN, and it is not just the terrible taste we hear about, but now we think we have to drink 200 ml, where SN is 50 ml or 100 ml of liquid.
Bottom line, is I don't know what is best. I believed N would be, as the main selling point to me was that you quickly become unconscious and then death occurs after you sleep. With the unselfish efforts of SS members who posted their CTB I now think there is not much difference, they both knock you out, and then you die peacefully.
I am writing these random thoughts as I think of them. If anyone can point out something important I missed, please let me know because I am studying different methods.

Although I haven't read your points in detail yet, that is a bit derailing of this thread, which is already under accusation of becoming derailed. Hope you don't take offence to that since that's not intended.
Personally I think @Ark is making progress with bringing forward a logical discussion, and think we may be able to get somewhere regarding the 1 vs 2 bottle debate. Guess we'll find out over the new few days....