Getting N from A. Things everyone should know.

[WhyamIstillhere]

Ordered N from A on 3/13, it was delivered on 3/17. I've had Amazon orders take longer.

 

[enjolras]

He told me they knew about the website and seller (obviously).

Which website ?
Did you pay with Bitcoin ?

 

[Cupcake]

I decided to just give up the N. I asked the officer and he said the fact that I had it was not illegal but how I got it through A was illegal and I didn't want to deal with any charges if I did not comply. To me personally it wasn't worth it as SN seems ok with me as well.

Hello FreedomInDeath,



I hope that you are doing ok, or as ok as one can be in these crazy times we're living in.



Hey, if you don't mind, can I ask you a few questions about your experience with the whole N ordeal?



I'm obviously suicidal, lol, and I'd like to order N from A, but I'm afraid of the legal consequences of being caught.



But, in your story, you didn't mention getting charged with anything. So, is it likely that, if I get caught if I decide to order from A, that the police will just confiscate the N and put me on a 72 hour hold in the psych ward, or do you think that they will imprison me for importing N into the U.S.?



I live in the U.S., by the way.



You said that the officer you spoke to told you it wasn't illegal that you were in possession of N, but that it was illegal for how you obtained it. So, does that mean that they are going to charge you eventually, or are you off the hook?



I'm sorry if this is too personal, and you don't have to respond if you don't want. I'm just trying to decide if ordering N is worth the possible consequences if I get found out by the police.



I have a higher chance of getting caught by the cops because I'm visually impaired and can't figure out how to use Bit Coin, so I'll have to go the western union route, and you have to show ID there, unfortunately. A didn't give me the option of sending cash in a letter in the mail, or I'd just do that and hope it arrived to him.



I don't own a home, I'm a poor soul, living in section eight housing, so I doubt that anyone would track the shipping, since I don't own a home, so therefore the home owners association wouldn't have any interest in me, but I suppose someone could track the shipment and report it.



Did you use Protonmail when ordering from A? I have a Protonmail account and plan to use it if I do order. If you didn't use Protonmail, maybe that's how your shipment was tracked.



I do also have SN, but I hear that N is more peaceful. I am still deciding whether I should just use the SN, since I already have it in my possession, or whether it's worth the risk. Are you going to try to order N again, or are you just going to go with SN? How peaceful do you think SN really is, in comparison to N?



For me, I can't decide. Moonocide's documentation of taking SN didn't seem that peaceful to me, but then there was another documentation of another member who was observed using SN who had a much more peaceful time passing with it, according to the member who observed the death, so I am really on the fence about the SN method.



What are your thoughts on the SN method and its peacefulness, if you don't mind sharing?



Your thoughts would be invaluable to me if you do decide to respond, but, like I said, no pressure.



You can PM me if you would feel more comfortable doing that. I tried to ask these questions in a PM to you, but I wasn't able to send one to you. It seems that I can't PM everyone on here, for some reason. My computer only lets me PM a select few, though I don't understand why.



Probably something visual I can't track, and my screen reader won't let me know what the problem is, either.



I hope that you are doing ok, and I'm sorry you had to experience all that trauma just to have a peaceful death. It's very unfair and cruel how our society forces us to live when we are clearly suffering.



And, thanks for posting your experience. It took courage and caring about us fellow SS members for you to share such personal details about your experience, and I am very grateful that you did.



Well, bye for now! Hope to hear from you soon!



Warmly,



Cupcake

 

[h3atd3ath]

This is the latest update from the 14st March 2020 (PPeH)

"As of 2020, Exit is once again aware of successful deliveries from the supplier. However, as of March 2020, we are also aware of customs' interceptions and a police welfare check in the Netherlands"

Is the latest edition of the PPeH available on this website?

 

[Ashleyrodriguez]

I'm sorry about your experience. That really sucks.

I want to remind all people in this forum to hide your N - if possible outside of your house - if you receive it. The recent incidents of welfare checks and police visits indicates that even if you receive N, it doesn't mean your N is safe. Never let them into your house without a search warrant. Always question their actions. You have rights, take use of them.

Omg that is scary. Did they charge you with anything?

 

[SugarbushMtn]

You are so right. SN is way easier to get and also a lot cheaper.
I really hate life, I hate every second of it for a very long time.
However, the discomfort the 1st 20 minutes after SN ingestion freaks me out to the maximum. I am such a coward when it comes to this 'pain'. I think I am not the only one and that is why people like me are investigating N.

I am happy for you that SN doesn't scare you. Means you are close to leave this shit planet when you want to.

Look into the inert gas route. Out cold in under a minute.

 

[enjolras]

A didn't give me the option of sending cash in a letter in the mail, or I'd just do that and hope it arrived to him.

If my memory doesn't fail me, it was never an option advertised in communication, but something to request. It was operated cycling through many addresses at different locations, indicating a clan organisation. It probably stopped, or SHOULD have. Better for everyone to learn Monero by default, adopted preferably in the dark web for reasons. Exit is concerned that Western Union and Moneygram are linked to the raids

If I shock being open, it's because only the correct education matters, while sellers themselves demonstrate they can lag adopting protective measures. Hiding names behind a single letter or largest worldwide stores behind asterisks isn't useful at all. It's a public forum, not a secret society, the info circulates, PMs can be trapped, etc. If everyone can crack disguise attempts without difficulty, a well professionally trained team of detectives investigating the sector do it laughing out loud. Relieving one's mind with manners is a chimera. Simplification on the other hand, choosing easy processes for convenience, is the real danger being harmful.

Is the latest edition of the PPeH available on this website?

In public, not that I'm aware of
Compared to the December 2019 edition, the D source also has been officially removed

Does it mean both customs' interception and welfare check in the Netherlands?

I copied it like it is. Depends how you read it. I'm guessing it could be (the next pages extend with country specific examples, excluding NL. Nitschke is based in NL with a network of contacts so it wouldn't elude him if that were the case) ...just can NOT be sure

I thought welfare checks were for people with mental conditions who have a history known to the police.
But this indicates you could get a welfare check because of purchased N?

It could happen blindly. It did mostly with elderlies due to the history of the topic, in various countries, since many years (first Australia, NZ, years later mildly USA, recently Europe dominantly). Customs interceptions also always happened randomly, or were supposed to, with the absence of verification (tracking missing or incomplete). Even if uncommon, these events should not be ignored

 

[LucyJordan]

Does it mean both customs' interception and welfare check in the Netherlands?
I thought welfare checks were for people with mental conditions who have a history known to the police.
But this indicates you could get a welfare check because of purchased N?

Yes, and it was no 'welfare' check. No history known to the police either.
Just ordered it, received it, and 10 days later they stood at my doorstep, 'forcing' me to let them enter my home because it was to difficult for them to ask their questions outside. Being naive, I let them in. Accusations of having imported N, and sticking in my home (3 of them!) until I surrendered. Stupidest thing I ever did, letting them in, because they had no search warrant. Beware. This happened not in the Netherlands, but nearby.

 

[james244]

I understand where you're coming from.

The problem is that the very purpose of this forum is to provide and share information on how to end one's life as peaceful and dignified as possible. I believe that most people that seriously consider buying N. will end their lives with or without it. If you're prepared to knowingly defy the law, forge over a lot of money, and risk the N. being intercepted by customs, you've thought things through. Of course, there will always be exceptions but N. is not an impulsive method.

So how do you regulate what information is shared and in what way?

Exit International has rules in place. You have to buy the PPeH. They only allow 50+ year old members on the board. They rather not deal with people suffering from mental illness. They want your ID.

And yet, the members over there talk/leak constantly too. And you know as well as me that the authorities also have members on that board. Almost all information you find on this board about N. comes straight from the PPeh and their forum.

This public board definitely brings extra exposure to sellers like A. but I don't think it gives out information about A. that the authorities wouldn't have access to without it. Most of the people that got raided in July were Exit members. Exit themselves issued a warning to their members. And still nobody knows exactly what triggered those raids.

When it comes to N., I feel the single biggest threat to this board, unless you want to change the format of the board itself, is scamming.
If you only allow 'sensitive' information to be shared through PM's, that's basically an invite to scammers. New members would be sitting ducks.
If you want to try and protect people against scamming, sometimes it will be impossible not to share certain 'sensitive' information publicly I think.

It's a difficult situation.
How do you protect the (real) sources and members at the same time.
I wish I had a solution

but isnt it a terrible ghastly threat to exit international that their very hard work and ingenuity are flagrantly pirated on other sites, where people make no monetary contribution. people should pay for ei memberships and if they are denied on the basis of age then they should at least make a donation equal to the membership price after gettting the book here. its only decent

 

[Notabadguy]

but isnt it a terrible ghastly threat to exit international that their very hard work and ingenuity are flagrantly pirated on other sites, where people make no monetary contribution. people should pay for ei memberships and if they are denied on the basis of age then they should at least make a donation equal to the membership price after gettting the book here. its only decent

Not everybody has money, and still there are people who wants to CTB. Is it not enough having to go with SN instead of N?

 

[james244]

Not everybody has money, and still there are people who wants to CTB. Is it not enough having to go with SN instead of N?

sorry, in this world if you cant afford something you cant have it. thats the way its worked for thousands of years. plus i doubt many of the people cant afford the very reasonable subscription that a lot of hard work goes into, if they can afford the n. its just easier to steal it

 

[Notabadguy]

It's not only the money, you have also to be 50, and of sound mind. I'm 39 and I have reactive depression, and, still, I want the information.

It can be seen as an informal tax. They will be able to carry out their activity anyway. Taxes are good, taxes are our friens.

 

[Yomyom]

@james244
The problem is not to buy the membership, the problem is Their restrictions, most of us under 50 and with mental health issues, we don't have access to those files accept in pirate way.

why should we pay for something if you can find it in free?
Do you familiar with the concept 'torrents'?

 

[enjolras]

The fact is, no matter how we complain and are sometimes picky with the PPeH content, we still appreciate the ongoing research and development shared. I would assume that the Exit revenues are generous, or not lacking, but there remains the general appreciation of acting as a locomotive within the field, that may be encouraged by subscriptions/donations. Outside of money, piracy remains a moral dilemma, when you get around the decided intent. Nitschke is very much pro-choice and has voiced his support to the mentally ills at times. When restrictions are set though, it's likely to cover the global mission, from which we indirectly benefit

Yomyom, it was there

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[Yomyom]

Yomyom, it was there

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Well that's really sucks, thanks for the information

 

[james244]

It's not only the money, you have also to be 50, and of sound mind. I'm 39 and I have reactive depression, and, still, I want the information.

It can be seen as an informal tax. They will be able to carry out their activity anyway. Taxes are good, taxes are our friens.

You want say they can carry out their activity anyway. If you had a business and instole half your stock you could carry on your business anyway but that would be acceptable to you?
You are also wrong because I know that they have had to cut back on their activity because of lack of funds

@james244
The problem is not to buy the membership, the problem is Their restrictions, most of us under 50 and with mental health issues, we don't have access to those files accept in pirate way.

why should we pay for something if you can find it in free?
Do you familiar with the concept 'torrents'?

I am familiar with torrents
If you spent 15 years working on a book would it be acceptable to you if many hundreds of people stole it and your revenue was half?

 

[a.n.kirillov]

You want say they can carry out their activity anyway. If you had a business and instole half your stock you could carry on your business anyway but that would be acceptable to you?
You are also wrong because I know that they have had to cut back on their activity because of lack of funds

I am familiar with torrents
If you spent 15 years working on a book would it be acceptable to you if many hundreds of people stole it and your revenue was half?

You can make a completely different argument and ask why intellectual property should exist anyway. —okay, as an incentive it makes sense.

But in the form it exists today? No way! Why should someone profit over decades and decades from a cure for cancer for example? We should give the inventor and investors a fair share, yes, but then we must also make it available for as many people as possible.

And isn't it a benefit to exit international if people who wouldn't be able to afford the book anyway, poor people from India let's say, at least pirate the information and get the word out? Instead of not consuming the information at all?

 

[Yomyom]

I am familiar with torrents
If you spent 15 years working on a book would it be acceptable to you if many hundreds of people stole it and your revenue was half?

It's depend in what you believe, I don't think they have the right to get money on this information, especially not The amount they ask for.
For the record I bought the book, because I wanted to be updated, and I'm very sorry for it because it didn't helped me in anyway

 

[danilion]

Kind of nervous about purchase with everything I have read here and COVID. I took the risk and I hope it is ok. Because if I get busted then things will happen and I will end up in a worse situation. I live in a small place and people I dont want to know, would know.

Plus the risk of not getting what I paid for.

 

[Mud.]

...If you had a business and instole half your stock you could carry on your business anyway but that would be acceptable to you?
...If you spent 15 years working on a book would it be acceptable to you if many hundreds of people stole it and your revenue was half?

I agree. It isn't fair.

But good luck if you plan on trying to create a fair and acceptable world.
A lot of us wouldn't need the PPH if there was one already.

 

[james244]

I agree. It isn't fair.

But good luck if you plan on trying to create a fair and acceptable world.
A lot of us wouldn't need the PPH if there was one already.

Your reasoning is problematic
Its ok to pirate pp because,that's the mind of world we live in. Dont we have to take responsibility for our behaviour?

 

[Mud.]

Your reasoning is problematic
Its ok to pirate pp because,that's the mind of world we live in. Dont we have to take responsibility for our behaviour?

No. It's not okay but what am I or you going to do about it? What do you expect from people in general? Look around you.
I take responsibility for a lot of things but in this live/world you are forced to pick your priorities, otherwise you're in danger of becoming a Don Quixote.
That's just a bitter truth.

In this case, we're talking about stealing a book that helps people to peacefully ctb and (hopefully) prevents them from being scammed.
I really hope EI can do without the money they are losing to this forum but I dare to say there are worse, unacceptable things out there.

 

[suzylou]

Kind of nervous about purchase with everything I have read here and COVID. I took the risk and I hope it is ok. Because if I get busted then things will happen and I will end up in a worse situation. I live in a small place and people I dont want to know, would know.

Plus the risk of not getting what I paid for.

best of luck, i was debating taking the risk but didn't want to with all of the covid stuff -- please keep us posted on how it goes!

 

[faust]

No. It's not okay but what am I or you going to do about it? What do you expect from people in general? Look around you.
I take responsibility for a lot of things but in this live/world you are forced to pick your priorities, otherwise you're in danger of becoming a Don Quixote.
That's just a bitter truth.

In this case, we're talking about stealing a book that helps people to peacefully ctb and (hopefully) prevents them from being scammed.
I really hope EI can do without the money they are losing to this forum but I dare to say there are worse, unacceptable things out there.

I was thinking about that. I am a writer myself and thought if I am just downloading the books, it means somebody will download mine if I publish. I was not writing for money, but publishing even 1000 books is very expensive for me, a person, who does not even have a job. What would I get instead? Spending my last money for nothing? I even had to translate my first book from my native language to English on my own because I know if I upload/publish in my mother tongue, my book will appear on torrent trackers the next day.

 

[Mud.]

I was thinking about that. I am a writer myself and thought if I am just downloading the books, it means somebody will download mine if I publish. I was not writing for money, but publishing even 1000 books is very expensive for me, a person, who does not even have a job. What would I get instead? Spending my last money for nothing? I even had to translate my first book from my native language to English on my own because I know if I upload/publish in my mother tongue, my book will appear on torrent trackers the next day.

Exactly. I'm disabled now but I when I was still healthy and had a job, I once had somebody steal six months of hard work from me and there was nothing I could do about it because he was higher up in the hierarchy of the company I worked for.

The only way you can prevent people from stealing your work is to not make it/publish it.
It's sad but true. I'm not reasoning. This is just how it is, was and I fear, always will be.

 

[danilion]

best of luck, i was debating taking the risk but didn't want to with all of the covid stuff -- please keep us posted on how it goes!

Thanks. I should have done it when I first had enough money. That was before COVID was being taken seriously and I would have probably gotten it by now. I feel the need to go soon, so I took the chance. But I am honestly scared.

 

[faust]

Exactly. I'm disabled now but I when I was still healthy and had a job, I once had somebody steal six months of hard work from me and there was nothing I could do about it because he was higher up in the hierarchy of the company I worked for.

The only way you can prevent people from stealing your work is to not make it/publish it.
It's sad but true. I'm not reasoning. This is just how it is, was and I fear, always will be.

Yes, this is horrible. I have my first book finished, but the only thing I can do is to start from Kindle and one more website where people sell their books for pennies. The second book is half-written, not edited and not translated. I don't have much time left to finish it and even if I do, I will never see how it goes for me.

There is even one book called "Steel like an artist". We are all thieves to some extent but never realize what we do until we meet the problem face-to-face.

 

[anthrax101]

The price for N from A is just absolutely crazy right now...I'm getting ready to shell out about 900 dollars in cash to convert it to BTC, to send it to A, and I get two bottles of N in return. I really wish this stuff could be much easily synthesized at home with the proper equipment, information, and chemicals by someone with basic chemistry knowledge to create. I don't think that it would become another epidemic such as people buying Sudafed just to shove strips of metal from a battery, some acid, and powdered pseudoephedrine into a gatorade bottle for an hour just to get methamphetamine to last for 36 minutes of smoking their brain cells away. If I could buy the equipment and find reliable instructions this would have been something that I would have attempted to create on my own.

I have a question from those who have ordered from A...how "stealthy" are their packages and do we have a guess as to the seizure rate at which these packages are being discovered by the mail police? I'm praying that I'm not just taking a lighter to my 900 dollars in cash but because we know it as the easiest way to CTB I don't see another option besides N. I do have in my possession 180 tablets of 2mg clonazepam and have really considered taking all of that combined with several grams of SN but it still doesn't sound as elegant to me as N does. My plans include a park view late at night, a lot of clonazepam to calm my nerves, and then bottoms up to the N assuming that it arrives. I'm just hoping that the parcels A sends out don't look like the type of packaging that they would use to ship such items and that some postal worker doesn't catch on to what's inside and send in our ever-loving law enforcement to attempt to figure out how we ordered it. I can think of extremely creative ways of sneaking packages like this across country borderlines that could be an excellent way of hiding the contents of the package, and that is my biggest worry about investing so much money in this vet-grade N. Don't get me wrong, I understand the costs and why things are like they are but what A has to pay for the bottles I'm sure is less than a tenth of what they have to pay for them from their distributor. In the grand scheme of things I do hope that this person is doing it out of kindness and not for feeding into their retirement fund.

EDIT: I only realized this evening just how much metoclopramide I have in my possession since it was prescribed to me regularly right before I had my nissen fundoplication surgery (it's for GERD and it tightens your esophagus so that stomach acid can't back up into your throat and cause terrible heartburn). I counted at least 5x 90 count bottles of metoclopramide that are still within the 1 year expiration date that I have no use for, and if I could send say packs of 9/10 tablets to everyone that needed the anti-emetic without getting caught I would but with the law breathing down my neck already there is no reliable way that I could accomplish this without getting caught by someone. It would be so easy to just slip in ten tablets into an envelope inside of a very small container and just for the cost of shipping (it would end up being about $3 for First Class in the USA) I could dole out so much of this stupid crap that it would probably be gone within a day or two at the most.

 

[Creekalalia]

Maybe I'll go back to college, again - and learn to make N. Then I'll share the "recipe" and things won't be so damned difficult for those of us just trying to find a peaceful exit.

 

[james244]

It's not only the money, you have also to be 50, and of sound mind. I'm 39 and I have reactive depression, and, still, I want the information.

It can be seen as an informal tax. They will be able to carry out their activity anyway. Taxes are good, taxes are our friens.

You're obviously on some hectic trip at the moment. Informal tax?
They already pay tax, whu should they pay more than their legal obligation because you feel like they should.