Resource German government is voting on new euthanasia law this thursday

[random_user]

Something that might be interesting or become interesting in the future for my fellow Germans. After our highest court overturned a law that basically banned any "commercial" (as in professionally organized) euthanasia in early 2020, this week the Bundestag is finally about to vote on 3 proposed new laws regarding the topic.

While one is basically just the old law in another form, two of the proposals would probably allow better access to euthanasia resources in the future. Since it's a topic about ethics, politicians will not be mandated to vote in their party's favour but instead can vote whatever they want.

I'm hoping that this will mean another step towards giving us our human right of choosing to die in the future - let's see how it will end.

More info in German language can be found here:
Bundestag.de

 

[Lulzacruel]

I hope our german brothers and sisters will be free to decide what to do on their own bodies

love from italy

 

[befree]

There is already a VAD organization in Hamburg, Germany, which also has an office in Switzerland. There have always been doubts about whether their work is legal in Germany. But there are also other independent suicide assistants in Germany.

 

[random_user]

There is already a VAD organization in Hamburg, Germany, which also has an office in Switzerland. There have always been doubts about whether their work is legal in Germany. But there are also other independent suicide assistants in Germany.

That's true, however until now it's basically upon them to decide who gets granted euthanasia and who isn't. With a law it would hopefully be way clearer, also one of the proposals state that if you don't find a doctor who prescribes you medicine to CTB, you can contact the state to source it.

 

[Heated]

There is already a VAD organization in Hamburg, Germany, which also has an office in Switzerland. There have always been doubts about whether their work is legal in Germany. But there are also other independent suicide assistants in Germany.

I contacted Switzerland. Because I have chronic pain they said I might be able to. It costs 10k or so and they might say no. I read the reviews and people are saying they took a deposit and didn't give it back and got their hopes up and then cancel. It put me off even trying.

 

[Valky]

Oh yes, saw that on twitter a few weeks ago. Looking forward to it.

(Also, There was already the same thread made on Sunday).
Thread 'Thursday there will be the decision on German assisted suicide laws in the parliament'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...sisted-suicide-laws-in-the-parliament.124220/

 

[Jolene79]

I contacted Switzerland. Because I have chronic pain they said I might be able to. It costs 10k or so and they might say no. I read the reviews and people are saying they took a deposit and didn't give it back and got their hopes up and then cancel. It put me off even trying.

Is this Dignitas? I heard bad things about the other one beginning with P. I think about Dignitas alot but even this sounds agonising to sort out let alone the money

 

[befree]

I contacted Switzerland

There are 6 VAD associations in Switzerland. Which one did you contact ?

I have helped people apply for VAD for many years. Today I don't do it anymore. I no longer trust in the fairness of some associations (P.... and D...) because of negative reports from many people. For me the best and most trustworthy VAD association is L ....c....e

 

[deathLiberation]

I believe Euthanasia will be accessible before 2030 in most countries. Even for people without many psych problems.
It does fit the 2030 Agenda and it could be in demand after a big economic crash for example.
Let´s hope.

 

[deomlez]

I have heard about Exit in Switzerland. One Exit people support people who wants to ctb has participate to a podcast in french (Brise Glace).

Euthanasia is not enough, it means that there are strong criterias to be accepted, i.e. to be almost dead (and that's all folks in this case).

 

[befree]

to be almost dead

This is not true. There are many reasons to be accepted as long as they comply with Swiss law.

 

[deomlez]

Oh yes in Swiss that's right, as assisted suicide. But other Europe countries are at best pro-euthanasia only.

 

[Heated]

There are 6 VAD associations in Switzerland. Which one did you contact ?

I have helped people apply for VAD for many years. Today I don't do it anymore. I no longer trust in the fairness of some associations (P.... and D...) because of negative reports from many people. For me the best and most trustworthy VAD association is L ....c....e

Is this Dignitas? I heard bad things about the other one beginning with P. I think about Dignitas alot but even this sounds agonising to sort out let alone the money

It starts with P.

It's hard to know who to trust. I could try it but I would lose my mind if they took my money and didn't return it.

 

[befree]

if they took my money and didn't return it

The deposit is never refundable. It covers the costs of administration, doctors and lawyers (according to the VAD association P...).

Bad news from Germany July 6th.,2023: Vote on assisted suicide - Legal regulation fails in the Bundestag

German lawmakers fail to agree on new rules regulating assisted suicide

Lawmakers in Germany have failed to agree on new rules regulating assisted suicide. They voted Thursday to reject two proposals drawn up after the country’s highest court ruled that legislation banning the practice on a “business” basis was unconstitutional.

apnews.com

Assisted suicide: Draft laws fail to pass in Bundestag – DW – 07/06/2023

The German lower house of parliament has been voting on two pieces of draft legislation regarding the practice.

www.dw.com

cne.news

The German Bundestag had a hearing on Monday about a new regulation of assisted suicide. No decisions have been taken yet. But Germany has to legislate for this soon.

cne.news

German lawmakers fail to agree on new rules regulating assisted suicide

BERLIN (AP) — Lawmakers in Germany failed to agree Thursday on new rules regulating assisted suicide, rejecting two cross-party proposals drawn up after the country…

nationalpost.com

 

[deomlez]

It will take many years to legalize right to die when s.o. is almost dead, so for healthy people, it s even not hearable.
F*** this world

 

[searchingpeace]

Sad. Just Fucking sad.
I hoping for a long shot that it would let foreigners go to Germany for AS.
Per Swiss law, the right to end one's life is HUMAN RIGHT. All nations should adopt this stance.

 

[deomlez]

Sad. Just Fucking sad.
I hoping for a long shot that it would let foreigners go to Germany for AS.
Per Swiss law, the right to end one's life is HUMAN RIGHT. All nations should adopt this stance.

If they have 10k€...

 

[random_user]

Per Swiss law, the right to end one's life is HUMAN RIGHT. All nations should adopt this stance.

"Funnily" enough this is also what the highest German court ruled, yet ultimately we can't access it. So I'm guessing even if a more liberal law arrives it'll take a lot of time....

 

[Heated]

The deposit is never refundable. It covers the costs of administration, doctors and lawyers (according to the VAD association P...).

Bad news from Germany July 6th.,2023: Vote on assisted suicide - Legal regulation fails in the Bundestag

German lawmakers fail to agree on new rules regulating assisted suicide

Lawmakers in Germany have failed to agree on new rules regulating assisted suicide. They voted Thursday to reject two proposals drawn up after the country’s highest court ruled that legislation banning the practice on a “business” basis was unconstitutional.

apnews.com

Assisted suicide: Draft laws fail to pass in Bundestag – DW – 07/06/2023

The German lower house of parliament has been voting on two pieces of draft legislation regarding the practice.

www.dw.com

cne.news

The German Bundestag had a hearing on Monday about a new regulation of assisted suicide. No decisions have been taken yet. But Germany has to legislate for this soon.

cne.news

German lawmakers fail to agree on new rules regulating assisted suicide

BERLIN (AP) — Lawmakers in Germany failed to agree Thursday on new rules regulating assisted suicide, rejecting two cross-party proposals drawn up after the country…

nationalpost.com

Yeah but to be told yes, and then cancel you saying no and then not return it. That's disgusting to do that to someone. That is what put me off

 

[befree]

Yeah but to be told yes, and then cancel you saying no and then not return it. That's disgusting to do that to someone. That is what put me off

What do you mean ? Which of the 6 Swiss association? And what means "told" ? Did you get a letter?
You applied, sent in all required documents and medical records and you paid the deposit ? After processing your application,
the VAD association informed you that you are accepted for VAD ? But then later they said no ? If they have rejected your application or if you cancelled the application or did not travel to the VAD appointment, then you get only a part of the deposit refunded.