Fuck this guy, and people like him

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It's.. Shit like this that grinds my gears. I hate when people are ignorant and yet still think their opinion is valid about the thing they're ignorant about. And this guy takes the cake.

Obviously, it's a shitty thing to do. But does it occur to people that most suicidal folk don't have a choice? Sometimes they're in such a shitty predicament, and are so emotional dead that this is the only way to go.

Fuck. I'm really, really fucking angry.

 

[jodes2]

Yeah that makes me angry too

 

[WhatPowerIs]

249 people looked at that guy's reply and thought "yeah I agree with this!"
Why is everybody a sociopath?

 

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249 people looked at that guy's reply and thought "yeah I agree with this!"
Why is everybody a sociopath?

That's what I meant by my status post, Mr. P. What the fuck is wrong with people, sometimes?

Yeah that makes me angry too

It's no wonder suicidal folk are so overlooked. You have people like this dimwit saying "suicidal people this" , "suicidal people that". No research. No personal experiences.

 

[jodes2]

249 people looked at that guy's reply and thought "yeah I agree with this!"
Why is everybody a sociopath?

I'm glad I don't recognise the social media platform, it would be disheartening to be on it

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

I think people who do Suicide by cop or any other reason aren't assholes, just in so much pain they just need it to end. Whoever made that post clearly has never been to that point.

 

[Pluto]

Only a small minority of people use methods like train for the purpose of deliberately acting out a vengeance on the world. It seems to usually be a result of desperation escalating until there is no choice and normal ethics go out the window.

Keep in mind, in law enforcement culture - and the related military culture - there tends to be a black-and-white logic of us versus them. The cops versus the crims. As soon as we label anybody 'them', we place ourselves in a position of superiority, such that there is no place for nuance, nor understanding. This is not a place to go seeking support for voluntary euthanasia policy, nor compassion for people in extreme distress. Just look at the disaster that is the 'war on drugs' to see how perverse things can get when tough-guy politics battle against reality.

 

[Alayna]

It's no wonder suicidal folk are so overlooked. You have people like this dimwit saying "suicidal people this" , "suicidal people that". No research. No personal experiences.

Like "suicidal people" is one thing.

Nah fam, every single suicide is exquisitely, horribly, painfully unique in its motivations and enactment. Conflating all these deeply personal stories like that under one umbrella term is disrespectful and a lie.

 

[squidhead]

Yep, as I said many times society wants to have their cake and eat it too.
You cant make suicide illegal, ban every single relatively painless and easier method available, be against human euthanasia and also blame suicidal people when they try to end their life any way they can with the most brutal available methods they can find.
You think a suicidal person wants to scar or hurt other people? Fuck no, but if theres no other choice, eventually youll do have you have to do to end the pain and suffering even if it means jumping off a building, shooting yourself, jumping in front of trains, etc that will unfortunately scar whoever finds you.
IT IS NOT THE SUICIDAL PERSONS FAULT!
Society and people like the guy you linked should look inward and ask themselves why things like that happen in the first place... but thats too much to ask of them.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think it does depend on just how much pain you are in as to what lengths you are willing to go to end it. However- SOMETIMES I think it does also depend on how much you care about causing other people trauma. I do understand the argument- 'Well, no one gave a shit about me- so- why should I care about anyone else?' Plus- there's the obvious argument that so many methods are denied us- so we get desperate. Still- you can't target the type of person who will see such a public act and who may end up feeling responsible for it- it may well ruin their life too. I do feel desperately sorry for people who find themselves in the position so desperate that they do this but I can understand the viewpoint of others who find it difficult to forgive them.

I expect to get hate for this- but I simply can't get my head around making another person murder you when there ARE still options that may cause slightly less impact. Even for someone who is utterly desperate. Sorry- just my feelings on this. (I'm really specifically talking about leaping in front of a train or getting a cop to shoot you or landing in busy traffic and being run over- circumstances where- had the other person/ people not been there- you may have survived. I think seeing someone jump or finding a body may sadly be unavoidable in the world we live in.)

 

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I expect to get hate for this- but I simply can't get my head around making another person murder you when there ARE still options that may cause slightly less impact. Even for someone who is utterly desperate. Sorry- just my feelings on this.

No no no. I thought I made it clear: it's a shitty thing to do to make someone else kill you. Or make people witness your suicide. And from my time spent on this site, most people agree on this.

But like you said, you can see situations where you have no choice. But that dude up there doesn't see that at all. It's not black and white. Rarely, is anything ever.

But does that stop people who don't know shit from saying shit anyways? Sigh.

 

[actual_fox]

Suicide by cop is like 0.0001% of all suicides or less. So associating people who suicide by cop with people who want to suicide is wrong.

I feel kinda sorry for the cop tho, he has conscience on his own. Luckily or not, those methods OP mentions in reposed are one of least used and most painful.
(If people did not spread bullshit about hanging, suicide by cop or anything like this would drop to zero)

 

[Forever Sleep]

No no no. I thought I made it clear: it's a shitty thing to do to make someone else kill you. Or make people witness your suicide. And from my time spent on this site, most people agree on this.

But like you said, you can see situations where you have no choice. But that dude up there doesn't see that at all. It's not black and white. Rarely, is anything ever.

But does that stop people who don't know shit from saying shit anyways? Sigh.

Oh sorry- that was my mistake.

Yes, I agree- there's quite often no compassion for people who were obviously so utterly desperate.

 

[Lonerzepam]

I think people who do Suicide by cop or any other reason aren't assholes, just in so much pain they just need it to end. Whoever made that post clearly has never been to that point.

Yeah I've been there like 4 months ago.

My illness was completely out of control.
I had insane pseudohallucinations and my head felt like I was standing on it for 2 Months straight and someone was bumping against it nonstop with a sledgehammer and demonic voices everywhere telling me to end it while my mother was driving (on a highway) me to a drug rehab center which wouldn't help shit and I knew that.

So I almost jumped out the car with the intention of getting my head crushed by a truck or car.

Or I was always looking out for high bridges we would cross to jump from.

Or when I left the rehab center (as soon as I arrived there) I was at the trainstation and had to really force myself to jump infront a train. I was talking to my brother on the phone and wanted to say goodbye but he somehow calmed me down and convinced me to stay so I didn't do it and probly cuz I have a damn strong SI.

I'm doing by far better now but still shit although not in that position anymore that there's no other choice to quickly end all this pain.

So yeah I can relate to those people being in so much pain that they really have no other choice at the moment...Just sad that life can bring you to this point but it's definetly possible speaking from my own experiences and perspective.

Suicide by cop is like 0.0001% of all suicides or less. So associating people who suicide by cop with people who want to suicide is wrong.

I feel kinda sorry for the cop tho, he has conscience on his own. Luckily or not, those methods OP mentions in reposed are one of least used and most painful.
(If people did not spread bullshit about hanging, suicide by cop or anything like this would drop to zero)

I feel sry for him too but shooting people is part of this job right? Doesn't matter if suicidal or not. My brother's a cop too and he knew about those risks when he assigned for this job

 

[another@]

Someone near me eventually ctb'd some other way, but first went in front of a car in front of their house. At first I thought it was an accident. Looking back it was probably a half-hearted attempt. But it never crossed my mind to consider this person a "bad person", just a sad situation if it was a ctb attempt. But most people end up controlled by certain individuals into believing in cult-like belief systems rather than realistic, empathetic beliefs. This is what we typically call "society", rather than the more natural, balanced system of small tribes that we call "normal people" (but of course society would prefer to label them as miscreants and dangerous because they typically don't lie on their backs to be infected with foreign diseases, annexed, and foricibly indocrinated into a regime).

 

[actual_fox]

I feel sry for him too but shooting people is part of this job right? Doesn't matter if suicidal or not. My brother's a cop too and he knew about those risks when he assigned for this job

Well yeah, but I do not throw trash as street sweeper goes by saying It is his job to clean streets. It is matter of decency not to do those things.

 

[BornToFail]

Suicide by cop is a good option for those who can't own firearms.

 

[Lonerzepam]

Well yeah, but I do not throw trash as street sweeper goes by saying It is his job to clean streets. It is matter of decency not to do those things.

Sure it should be avoided if it can be. But sometimes police officers just don't have no other joice.

 

[DeadButDreaming]

If you find the idea of shooting someone distasteful you shouldn't become a cop.

 

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If you find the idea of shooting someone distasteful you shouldn't become a cop.

I don't think the cop did anything wrong in this instance. I think there's a huge difference between accepting the risks of your job, and being distasteful towards them. I think every cop knows that there will be situations where they will have to shoot someone. And maybe even kill them. But that doesn't mean they want to do it.

It's like the military. A lot of people in them know what they are signing up for it. But I think if you ask most of them "do you find the idea of shooting someone distasteful", I think they'd reply yes.

Sure it should be avoided if it can be. But sometimes police officers just don't have no other joice.

It's like what this guy said. It's done in situations where there is no choice.

 

[FuneralCry]

Some people will just simply never be able to understand what suicidal people go through. There is nothing wrong with suicide as well, and people who decide to exit a life that they never asked for shouldn't be insulted like that. We live in a world which denies people the option of more peaceful methods after all and makes suicide as difficult as possible. If people had the option of a legalised peaceful exit then they would never have to resort to a method out in public. That is the true problem. But people can certainly be insensitive, that is undeniable. I hate the attitudes that many people have towards suicide, it would be different if they ended up in a situation of extreme suffering and then they would wish to leave.

 

[niiina]

I do have lots of empathy for those people actually, despair and pain can affect people in very harsh ways and make them do scary things.
Ill also traumatize my loved ones by ctb, who am I to judge the amout of pain of other people? I can only wish them peace.
For the people involved in this, I'm sorry but this is the world, unfortunatly once you go outside you may come across any kind of things that may traumatize you, it's horrible but that's how it is.

 

[Worndown]

While his post was worded in the most inflammatory language, the basic sentiments are valid.
However bad you feel today, that is the gift you can give to the person you randomly choose to kill you.
I understand your desperation but involving others at this level is not fair to them.

There are attainable methods that do not directly involve others if you must go.

 

[Insomniac]

the basic sentiments are valid.

Only if you don't actually think about the actual Context.

And the actual Context is that they make it almost impossible for us to kill ourselves peacefully. We live in absolute suffering and on top of that we should bear the burden of these people who fundamentally do not care at all.

at all.

what I don't like are suicidal methods that put others at risk of dying. But this? No idgaf about this shit.

 

[didn't-it-rain]

yeah, i'm just not convinced that suicide by cop would necessarily traumatize the cop(s) in question. as another poster wrote, there's a military mindset within policing culture that could (and likely does) go as far to protect them from secondary trauma.
(and really, i think this is a good form of harm reduction. if you're intent on going out this way, have it be on a cop's hands. i understand the thinking that it's heartless to make ANYONE have to live with that, but like.. ACAB, no? i can't understand having any qualms about this.)

 

[Worndown]

If you ever talk to a cop, ask them.

 

[onlyway63]

This wouldn't be my prefered method, but if I was going to do it this way, I'd at least try to make sure that I was being killed by a bad cop. One who wouldn't hesitate to fire their gun, and one who wouldn't lose any sleep over killing me. Maybe not possible if you don't know the officers in the area, but something to consider.