Free trip to Switzerland, need witness

[Berlin76]

I was approved for assisted suicide in Switzerland, but I need someone to act as a witness and identify my corpse afterwards. My friend flaked out on me. I will pay for your trip and hotel. You must have a passport and must be reliable. Please PM me

I have spoken once before to you long time ago under my previous profile Ddutch.

Myself and @fightingsioux are both aproved for euthanasia. I am aproved in the Netherlands with the clinic here.

If you need help or want to talk just reach out to me.

 

[LittleJem]

I didn't infer anything. Secondary knowledge is no substitute for direct contact. As for misunderstanding my last two sentences, what's not to understand? I just done feel you have the right to act as a conduit for data that has yet to be verified.

People that have contacted Pegasos (like myself) do have information. Eg I found out they don't accept mental illness, and they don't accept anyone under 50. If you're lucky, you might get a different answer. For me, I must seek the cheaper DIY option.

I thought assisted suicide was available to people only resident in said jurisdictions or with extreme difficulties if not, plus was under the impression mental illness alone was not considered reasonable enough to be helped to end your life. Am I mistaken or have rules changed?

If so what countries offer Assisted Suicide for mental illness - anyone know?

You would need to get hitched to someone Dutch and become Dutch (I believe) - the Netherlands do. But they also make it very very hard to qualify - so you might not qualify for it.

 

[Berlin76]

People that have contacted Pegasos (like myself) do have information. Eg I found out they don't accept mental illness, and they don't accept anyone under 50. If you're lucky, you might get a different answer. For me, I must seek the cheaper DIY option.


You would need to get hitched to someone Dutch and become Dutch (I believe) - the Netherlands do. But they also make it very very hard to qualify - so you might not qualify for it.

I am dutch
I have mental issues and got approved for euthanasia
.
In holland you can apply but you need to live here during the whole process.
You can send your whole dossier to them but when they say yes we see some chance then you need to move to the Netherlands.
But then still their is a high chance you get rejected. 50% gets rejected on applications and down the road also 50% get rejected by the external psychiatrist. Only rare cases get approved with years of therapy behind them and no other medical solution.

 

[LittleJem]

I am dutch
I have mental issues and got approved for euthanasia
.
In holland you can apply but you need to live here during the whole process.
You can send your whole dossier to them but when they say yes we see some chance then you need to move to the Netherlands.
But then still their is a high chance you get rejected. 50% gets rejected on applications and down the road also 50% get rejected by the external psychiatrist. Only rare cases get approved with years of therapy behind them and no other medical solution.

yes, it's not the fastest option to leave the planet.

I don't know if the right words are congratulations on being approved - but I guess it is a relief and emotional too. That's how I'd feel I think.

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If you don't mind me asking - is that not for mental illness?

 

[Berlin76]

yes, it's not the fastest option to leave the planet.

I don't know if the right words are congratulations on being approved - but I guess it is a relief and emotional too. That's how I'd feel I think.


If you don't mind me asking - is that not for mental illness?

Pagasus states this about mental illness.

Mental illness is a vexed issue. At Pegasos we believe that you can still have mental capacity even if you suffer from long term depression. The most important thing is to tell us of your mental illness and then we can work with you for the best outcome.

 

[AcornUnderground]

I am 41 and was accepted at Pegasos. I have a medical (physical) condition. The paperwork regarding my medical condition was simple and not that involved to apply. Pegasos is much more simple (less paperwork and process) than Dignitas.

 

[Mizzmini45]

Have no idea what your last two sentences mean, but that's cool!

You weren't talking about the meaning of life or any other philosophic questions, you inferred quite plainly that the policies of Pegasos are mysterious. I simply said that they are not. I encourage to you communicate with them.

Again, best of luck. Over & out on this one.

lol the last 2 sentences. I don't understand either

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If it's not to private do you mind briefly sharing what y'all cases are?

 

[Suez]

I wish you well.

Hey there, so are you going because of your mental health and not because of any physical ailment? Ive never heard of that before. Ive actually never heard of Pegasos or the other group. Wow. I cant beleive it. How difficult was it to organize?

 

[Pan]

Not true. They do...Dignitas at least does for sure if not Pegasos.

Its just more difficult than other illnesses. There are members here already on the list to go.

You are wrong; dignitas regardsi it as a "vexing". Problem. You have no right to act as spokesperson for assisted suicide for the mentally ill through dignitas. They are noncommittal at best. You are not a doctor, physician or diagnostician. You May wish to be, fantasize that you are, or hope to be. Again, you are NOT. Don't propagandize unless you are certain.

 

[HelensNepenthe]

You are wrong; dignitas regardsi it as a "vexing". Problem. You have no right to act as spokesperson for assisted suicide for the mentally ill through dignitas. They are noncommittal at best. You are not a doctor, physician or diagnostician. You May wish to be, fantasize that you are, or hope to be. Again, you are NOT. Don't propagandize unless you are certain.

Hi,

@LMFAO FOCKERS never suggested they were a doctor, a physician, or a spokesperson for voluntary euthanasia groups like the aforementioned Dignitas or Pegasos.

Directly from the FAQ^[1] on Dignitas' site, there is no comment that the euthanization of people suffering with mental health is "vexing". The situation is difficult, yet Dignitas does allow for it. Simply put there is no "provisional green light" (in their own words -- which means it was approved by a Swiss medical doctor) that it will happen. I've provided a direct link to the FAQ below that you can cite it for yourself. I'd also like to add that nowhere in their brochure or their FAQ do they use the word choice "vexing" when discussing said topic.



If you look further into their brochure^[2], there is quite a positive attitude reflecting on people suffering with mental health. I'll take an excerpt from the PDF, and if you would wish to, please read it yourself.



While it certainly is a challenge, it is not impossible or up to debate. It is outlined that you can do these steps, and if the steps are followed, it is up to a Swiss doctor to carefully take in consideration of the paperwork provided to him or her.

In cases like these it is better to consult with the actual service instead of relying on anonymous users. Legally why these disclaimers are made for people who suffer with mental health is because of Swiss law and how tight it is for voluntary euthanization.

Claiming that 'LMFAO FOCKERS' is "propagandizing" is a drastic reach.

[1] FAQ - http://www.dignitas.ch/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69&Itemid=136&lang=en
[2] Brochure of DIGNITAS - http://www.dignitas.ch/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22&Itemid=5&lang=en

 

[Pan]

I am dutch
I have mental issues and got approved for euthanasia
.
In holland you can apply but you need to live here during the whole process.
You can send your whole dossier to them but when they say yes we see some chance then you need to move to the Netherlands.
But then still their is a high chance you get rejected. 50% gets rejected on applications and down the road also 50% get rejected by the external psychiatrist. Only rare cases get approved with years of therapy behind them and no other medical solution.

Yes, you are Dutch, not American. For those of us across the pond, things ate'nt As simple as they appear. If

You are wrong; dignitas regardsi it as a "vexing". Problem. You have no right to act as spokesperson for assisted suicide for the mentally ill through dignitas. They are noncommittal at best. You are not a doctor, physician or diagnostician. You May wish to be, fantasize that you are, or hope to be. Again, you are NOT. Don't propagandize unless you are certain.

Hi,

@LMFAO FOCKERS never suggested they were a doctor, a physician, or a spokesperson for voluntary euthanasia groups like the aforementioned Dignitas or Pegasos.

Directly from the FAQ^[1] on Dignitas' site, there is no comment that the euthanization of people suffering with mental health is "vexing". The situation is difficult, yet Dignitas does allow for it. Simply put there is no "provisional green light" (in their own words -- which means it was approved by a Swiss medical doctor) that it will happen. I've provided a direct link to the FAQ below that you can cite it for yourself. I'd also like to add that nowhere in their brochure or their FAQ do they use the word choice "vexing" when discussing said topic.

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If you look further into their brochure^[2], there is quite a positive attitude reflecting on people suffering with mental health. I'll take an excerpt from the PDF, and if you would wish to, please read it yourself.

View attachment 29389View attachment 29387

While it certainly is a challenge, it is not impossible or up to debate. It is outlined that you can do these steps, and if the steps are followed, it is up to a Swiss doctor to carefully take in consideration of the paperwork provided to him or her.

In cases like these it is better to consult with the actual service instead of relying on anonymous users. Legally why these disclaimers are made for people who suffer with mental health is because of Swiss law and how tight it is for voluntary euthanization.

Claiming that 'LMFAO FOCKERS' is "propagandizing" is a drastic reach.

[1] FAQ - http://www.dignitas.ch/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=69&Itemid=136&lang=en
[2] Brochure of DIGNITAS - http://www.dignitas.ch/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22&Itemid=5&lang=en

Yes, you are Dutch, not American. For those of us across the pond, things ate'nt As simple as they appear. If

I am sorry then

Yes, you are Dutch, not American. For those of us across the pond, things ate'nt As simple as they appear. If

Yes, you are Dutch, not American. For those of us across the pond, things ate'nt As simple as they appear. If

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Much of the requested information is on the respective websites. It may be easier to find information for yourself instead of asking OP. Also did you read through the thread? Some of your questions have been answered.

It would be great if people could either:

1. Read the organization's websites.
2. Search SS threads.
3. PM those who have expressed a desire to assist, or
4. Create a new thread with questions after doing some basic research.

OP has not answered these general questions so far which says they may have no desire to engage in these topics. OP's thread is only asking someone to PM if they can support their effort.

I'd imagine OP's stress of finding a replacement is enough do deal with, without going through the extra buzz of assisted suicide discussion on SS.


Please try to be considerate of OP.

I will not be inconsiderate again, I promise. Truth is, I am going through drug withdrawal of the worst sort. Thanx for the extra work you did. Sorry if I offended

 

[Pan]

Have no idea what your last two sentences mean, but that's cool!

You weren't talking about the meaning of life or any other philosophic questions, you inferred quite plainly that the policies of Pegasos are mysterious. I simply said that they are not. I encourage to you communicate with them.

Again, best of luck. Over & out on this one.

Hello Gary: this is pan. Sorry for being difficult. Am not disputing your knowledge. Truth is, I am a so-called gentleman junkie. Telling you this is both liberating and frightening. Unlike others, I have unlimited resources financially. At the same time, drugs got me through graduate school, and in my profession. I remember, for example, delivering an speech on Sumerian cuneiform tablet, high on h. I was crabby, crouch and difficult; I am trying to kick drugs is all. No one ever knew my secret. Please don't take this to heart. Best on journey.

 

[Pan]

Thanx for the like—- I am a gentleman/ junkie, Gary. Money, time, was my undoing...plenty of $$$ plenty of junk; I remember, so long ago, lecturing patrons with my knowledge of Sumerian cuneiform tablets, all the while high on h and c. The problem was plenty of h and c. That was the problem—- I could get away with it. Please forgive my ascerbic mood +++
I am a gentleman junkie. Thanx to Andy Warhol for nothing! Best to you on your journey; remember the Bhagavad Gita! Best and all love. Danny

Thanx for the like—- I am a gentleman/ junkie, Gary. Money, time, was my undoing...plenty of $$$ plenty of junk; I remember, so long ago, lecturing patrons with my knowledge of Sumerian cuneiform tablets, all the while high on h and c. The problem was plenty of h and c. That was the problem—- I could get away with it. Please forgive my ascerbic mood +++
I am a gentleman junkie. Thanx to Andy Warhol for nothing! Best to you on your journey; remember the Bhagavad Gita! Best and all love. Danny

Whoops! I posted this twice; did'nt mean to...apologies...best to you on your journey; I don't HOPE you will find peace, I KNOW you will find peace. Read the Bhagavad Gita,if you've a copy. Life eternal As You. Best on your journey. All peace and love. Danny
s!

 

[Buffy5120]

Don't they require paperwork from your doctor for proof of attempted treatments, or something? I'm curious how that would be coordinated without getting sent to the psych ward.

Did you ever find out about this question?

 

[Lethe]

Did you ever find out about this question?

Fightingsioux purported to have the answer in his thread, but I didn't go searching.

 

[Buffy5120]

Fightingsioux purported to have the answer in his thread, but I didn't go searching.

Im thinking about forging the medical papers. I live in America and just feel like how would they tell its fake or not.

 

[Lethe]

Im thinking about forging the medical papers. I live in America and just feel like how would they tell its fake or not.

I feel like they would just call your primary to confirm, then when your primary catches wind of what you're doing you'd end up in psych ward...

 

[new life]

I have messaged you privatly, I have a passport abd would be willing to act as a witness for you.

 

[Lost Magic]

He or she is free from the insanity of this cruel world. Sleep well angel.

 

[Buffy5120]

He or she is free from the insanity of this cruel world. Sleep well angel.

And yet we're still here Seems like everyone that commented back in 2020 on this thread left

 

[Anonymous 4]

Respectfully, something does'nt seem right here; to my knowledge, dignitas and Pegasos donot approvesuicide fo mental illness.

Yes they do, read up on it

 

[Bullit]

I was approved for assisted suicide in Switzerland, but I need someone to act as a witness and identify my corpse afterwards. My friend flaked out on me. I will pay for your trip and hotel. You must have a passport and must be reliable. Please PM me

Is that your picture? Lets forget Switzerland and head for the French Riviera!

 

[chronicphysicalpain]

Curious this thread is brought up, it makes me think on a trip to Pegasos too. I think I'd be accepted regarding the health issues. TBH, in a few months I'd probably be accepted even in my own country -but not now, I doubt red tape here would accept it until I deteriorate more and get a lot more of useless diagnosis process-. However I am under 50 so getting the witness is an issue...