Discussion Fearing the Afterlife

[bayarea]

Yeah I can relate.. I'm scared of being reincarnated, if time is infinite then we might be conscious again but who knows where.. I wish i could die and never come back even in another form again. I just want to not exist in any form again and peace. It kind of defeats the purpose of death

 

[Lorenz]

What I fear the most is they is nothing after death but nothingness that scares me but I believe in reincarnation but I could be wrong who knows

 

[Crystal Labeija]

How do we know that there is an afterlife? There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever. The evidence we have is that all that makes us conscious will cease to function when we die. There is no case for consciousness after death.

 

[GeorgeJL]

You can get a pretty clear understanding of what is in the afterlife by studying astral projection and near death experiences.

 

[GinaIsReady]

The idea of what the ramifications could be in the next life have haunted me too. But then I started watching Esther Abraham Hicks vids on YouTube about it. I developed the belief that some of us (me) are simply broken and we will not face negative consequences in the afterlife. Sometimes I wonder if that is the big lesson I am here to learn: when it's time to give up the fight and leave this life. I mean, what are we even here for? To suffer? To cause those around us to suffer?

 

[SomebodyBroken]

You can get a pretty clear understanding of what is in the afterlife by studying astral projection and near death experiences.

nothing? Over the past 2 months, I experienced 3-5 times a complete loss of consciousness and woke up after 10-15 minutes. just do not forget that it does not count =) what will happen after the end of the path is different from the temporary.

 

[GeorgeJL]

nothing? Over the past 2 months, I experienced 3-5 times a complete loss of consciousness and woke up after 10-15 minutes. just do not forget that it does not count =) what will happen after the end of the path is different from the temporary.

That just means that you don't have the genetics for out of body experiences that is all. The body and mind requires certain conditions be meet before it can release the soul.

 

[Soul]

That just means that you don't have the genetics for out of body experiences that is all. The body and mind requires certain conditions be meet before it can release the soul.

Could you elaborate on that, please and thank you kindly?

 

[GeorgeJL]

Could you elaborate on that, please and thank you kindly?

Yeah so some people are naturally born with the ability to have out of body experiences, or what some call astral projection. But most of us are not born with good genetics for it. So if we are to have out of body experiences we need to train for it. There are techniques people can learn to help facilitate an OBE. There are forums dedicated to helping others learn it from avid projectors. Such as astralpulse.com

Also DMT forces one to have an OBE.

 

[Soul]

Yeah so some people are naturally born with the ability to have out of body experiences, or what some call astral projection. But most of us are not born with good genetics for it. So if we are to have out of body experiences we need to train for it. There are techniques people can learn to help facilitate an OBE. There are forums dedicated to helping others learn it from avid projectors. Such as astralpulse.com

Also DMT forces one to have an OBE.

Cool. The notion that it's a question of genetics intrigues me - is there really evidence of that?

I have a friend who has lucid dreams and false awakenings spontaneously and abundantly, and I wanted to learn lucid dreaming too, so I tried some of the recommended techniques and my dreams beat me up, gave me a dose of bad acid and left me snivelling in the gutter. It was very clever: Lucid dream = lsd. It makes me rather hesitant to risk trying to cultivate an OBE, you know?

 

[GeorgeJL]

Cool. The notion that it's a question of genetics intrigues me - is there really evidence of that?

I have a friend who has lucid dreams and false awakenings spontaneously and abundantly, and I wanted to learn lucid dreaming too, so I tried some of the recommended techniques and my dreams beat me up, gave me a dose of bad acid and left me snivelling in the gutter. It was very clever: Lucid dream = lsd. It makes me rather hesitant to risk trying to cultivate an OBE, you know?

Yeah it's not for everyone. Some people get to scared. But in all honesty I think they are just giving into their fears which means they are just kicking the can down the road for them to deal with it some other time. In other words if you can overcome it here now in the physical that is much better than having to deal with these dark aspects of ourselves when we die.

I recently posted a dream and astral projection here.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/i-had-the-most-amazing-dream-last-night.17262/#post-325851

 

[SomebodyBroken]

That just means that you don't have the genetics for out of body experiences that is all. The body and mind requires certain conditions be meet before it can release the soul.

you are not confused by the difference between the experience outside the body, and the fact that it is related to the body? seriously, confusing lucid dreams(or other things) and real facts is a little silly. is not it so? something no one person has any evidence on this. "your personal experience" doesn't relate to evidence, drugs can easily make you go through something, but it will not be the fact of the existence of something ..
well, sleep management was fairly easy to implement, even for me(some six months of training). but it is self-deception and no more.
Astral or something similar = no "user" as they call themselves could not provide the facts of existence or at least communicate with other "users". so please, do not deceive yourself and other people.
if something exists, there is no dependence on genetics, it is connected only with the brain or the mind of a person. for example, confirmed facts of reincarnation in the east is quite a fact.)
as well as the fact that a person can interact with his body energy on matter (limited, of course). as an example, they "charged" water and gave a drink to a person who was not familiar with the procedure, and the difference was noticed, confirmed by the facts.
If you are really interested in this topic, you should be familiar with the confirmation. if they were not interested in and conducting this conversation, it is funny.
On the one hand, you sometimes write smart posts, on the other hand, you deny many of the factors that really exist in our life. it's a bit strange.

 

[GeorgeJL]

you are not confused by the difference between the experience outside the body, and the fact that it is related to the body? seriously, confusing lucid dreams(or other things) and real facts is a little silly. is not it so? something no one person has any evidence on this. "your personal experience" doesn't relate to evidence, drugs can easily make you go through something, but it will not be the fact of the existence of something ..
well, sleep management was fairly easy to implement, even for me(some six months of training). but it is self-deception and no more.
Astral or something similar = no "user" as they call themselves could not provide the facts of existence or at least communicate with other "users". so please, do not deceive yourself and other people.
if something exists, there is no dependence on genetics, it is connected only with the brain or the mind of a person. for example, confirmed facts of reincarnation in the east is quite a fact.)
as well as the fact that a person can interact with his body energy on matter (limited, of course). as an example, they "charged" water and gave a drink to a person who was not familiar with the procedure, and the difference was noticed, confirmed by the facts.
If you are really interested in this topic, you should be familiar with the confirmation. if they were not interested in and conducting this conversation, it is funny.
On the one hand, you sometimes write smart posts, on the other hand, you deny many of the factors that really exist in our life. it's a bit strange.

You can believe what you believe and I can believe what I believe, and that is fine. Just as long as what we believe makes for practical steps then it's fine.

 

[KnightOfEnceladus]

@GeorgeJL, I am somewhat skeptical of the idea that lucidity has a genetic component; cases of severe brain damage/malformation aside, I would think it's mostly down to training the instrument (brain and mind).

I've only been lucid a few times, and they were the best experiences I ever had. I could fly, by exerting some kind of telekinetic control, and I felt like I was in another dimension or plane of existence. I also find myself returning to that place in some less-than-pleasant dreams, usually in context of something like some sort of college program, getting lost a lot and not having enough credits to graduate on time. But the best ones are the ones where I can fly and use light telekinesis, and it all feels so real.

 

[GeorgeJL]

@GeorgeJL, I am somewhat skeptical of the idea that lucidity has a genetic component; cases of severe brain damage/malformation aside, I would think it's mostly down to training the instrument (brain and mind).

I've only been lucid a few times, and they were the best experiences I ever had. I could fly, by exerting some kind of telekinetic control, and I felt like I was in another dimension or plane of existence. I also find myself returning to that place in some less-than-pleasant dreams, usually in context of something like some sort of college program, getting lost a lot and not having enough credits to graduate on time. But the best ones are the ones where I can fly and use light telekinesis, and it all feels so real.

It's both. But the genetic component is the strongest. The reason I think that is because I know the power of drugs on the mind and body. Psychedelics is what showed me that it's physicals things that effect our spiritual reality. DMT is whole different animal that breaks every known materialistic, atheistic, law known to man. And the atheists that take DMT and are still atheist they at least greatly question everything at the deepest levels.

 

[SomebodyBroken]

You can believe what you believe and I can believe what I believe, and that is fine. Just as long as what we believe makes for practical steps then it's fine.

Seriously? I was hoping for at least some confirmation of your words. but it seems more like trolling. and you still expect to "write a book"?

 

[GeorgeJL]

Seriously? I was hoping for at least some confirmation of your words. but it seems more like trolling. and you still expect to "write a book"?

I was sleepy last night when I replied. So excuse me for my short reply. But if you want a more meaty answer here it is.

you are not confused by the difference between the experience outside the body, and the fact that it is related to the body? seriously, confusing lucid dreams(or other things) and real facts is a little silly. is not it so?

Lucid dreams are on a whole different spectrum than astral projections. Look at the differences.

something no one person has any evidence on this. "your personal experience" doesn't relate to evidence, drugs can easily make you go through something, but it will not be the fact of the existence of something ..

Yes and no. With OBEs and psychedelics, there are problems with these thing, our own expectations and beliefs color the experience. But that doesn't mean that we didn't have an experience in another parallel dimension. Weather it's the astral or DMT hyperspace. Look this is really hard to explain to someone that has never had an OBE take some DMT and come back and we will talk.

Astral or something similar = no "user" as they call themselves could not provide the facts of existence or at least communicate with other "users". so please, do not deceive yourself and other people.

What are you talking about?

if something exists, there is no dependence on genetics, it is connected only with the brain or the mind of a person. for example, confirmed facts of reincarnation in the east is quite a fact.)

Be more specific here. What is "something" I assume that you mean something is spiritual or soul. But I can't tell.

We are multidimensional beings. Our consciousness had to phase all the way to the physical dimension from source in order to even be aware of this place. So that means that we have the potential to tap into every other dimension from here to source. Which means that we have great power. And because this dimension is so well physical and our intent takes so long to create what we that makes it perfect for us to learn to master the physcial through biology. Whether we tap into that biology and power with psychedelics, nanobots (future), meditation, astral projection is up to us. Besides if it wasn't dependent on genetics then psychedelics would have absolutely no power. There would be no DMT hyperspace, chemicals and drugs would have no effect. But we all know that drugs, psychedelics, change the way we feel and function. And the way we feel and function is related to our ablitity to astral project, have OBEs, go into DMT hyperspace, go into the depths etc.

as well as the fact that a person can interact with his body energy on matter (limited, of course). as an example, they "charged" water and gave a drink to a person who was not familiar with the procedure, and the difference was noticed, confirmed by the facts.

Assuming this was a study done. Show me this study.

If you are really interested in this topic, you should be familiar with the confirmation. if they were not interested in and conducting this conversation, it is funny.
On the one hand, you sometimes write smart posts, on the other hand, you deny many of the factors that really exist in our life. it's a bit strange.

What do I deny?

 

[Soul]

Apologies if I sent this discussion down a wrong track by mentioning lucid dreaming. I didn't mean lucid dreams are related to OBEs; I just meant that I've become a bit wary of trying to "cultivate" experiences that other people have spontaneously.

@KnightOfEnceladus, I have dreams in which I realize I can walk without touching the ground - it's really easy, and man is it exhilarating!

@GeorgeJL, what I've read about DMT indicates that it's tricky for someone who can neither smoke nor snort the stuff. If I were to drink it I'd also need ... I forget what, since my eyes glazed over. Is it worth pursuing anyway?

 

[gentleflower]

I do neither believe in hell nor heaven, but I am torn between thinking that there is an infinite nothing and that we could just be reborn. And who knows if fate would be kinder in the next life. I regard that as a terrifying thought.

 

[been_there]

Ah, the arrogance of humanity. When you're dead, you're dead. That's all folks.

 

[NOT]

I fear life.
After no.

 

[sadgirl2002]

I say I might be scared but I'm still not sure if I will or won't be. I don't think I'll be scared.

I hope that death will be like a really long sleep and I'm in an infinite dream world or something. The feeling where you're in a special dream and you don't ever have to worry about waking up to the real world. One of those dreams. I had the first and only ever wonderful dream more than a month ago in the last 20 years.

If there is actually nothing after death then I'll just indulge myself in no consciousness. If there is a heaven/hell, I know I'll be in hell for eternity. I hope there is no such thing as reincarnation. If there is, I hope I come back as a bird, flower or just any animal.

 

[KnightOfEnceladus]

@218x, there is no eternal Hell. In the Abrahamic tradition that's likely a mistranslation of the Greek into Latin; of the original six church centers, 2 were universalist after Origen's traditions, 2 were universalist after Theodore of Mopsuestia's teachings, one was annihilationist, and only the Latin center at Carthage taught endless torture. So put that fear to bed, forever.

 

[PatKat]

Does anyone else fear the afterlife? Whenever I get close to trying to CTB I am struck with terror at what could await me. We truly don't know what the afterlife is like. Even if you are religious the description of what the afterlife is like seems quite vague.

It is impossible to know. I hope it is just over complete nonexistence.

 

[Robbyna]

I love the discussion and the honesty. Some of you are convinced there is nothing but we have no way of knowing. Energy changes form so something must happen to the energy that keeps us alive, no? I'm convinced there is something, but what I'm not sure of at all.

 

[a.h]

This is exactly how I feel.

This is exactly how I feel.

Me too. Also I think that everything is essentially good in universe. Death is part of everyone's life so I believe it's a good thing.

But when I was depressed I had fear of death. I always knew I was depressed from that sign. I have had seasonal depression few times.

What I fear the most is they is nothing after death but nothingness that scares me but I believe in reincarnation but I could be wrong who knows

If you have ever been in surgery and had anesthesia then that is what nothingness would be like. There would be no you if there was nothingness in afterlife.

That just means that you don't have the genetics for out of body experiences that is all. The body and mind requires certain conditions be meet before it can release the soul.

nothing? Over the past 2 months, I experienced 3-5 times a complete loss of consciousness and woke up after 10-15 minutes. just do not forget that it does not count =) what will happen after the end of the path is different from the temporary.

I have had nde only after being without oxygen for long Passing out certainly shouldn't create nde.

 

[binglebelle]

Yes. When you grow up in the bible belt in such a religious home, the fear of hell is *always* present
. i am a very smart girl whose been an atheist somce like age 15 but idk if that worry in the back of your mind could ever go away.

 

[SourIntent]

I fear hell so badly I started going to church again after like 15 years of not caring (yet I try to hang myself or jump off a bridge a few times every year). I feel the 'nothing could be worse, Ive already been through hell' statement is not true, especially if were talking about literal hell as in fire and brimstone. Would you say the mental pain you feel, felt for several years or decades, is worse than the pain of your skin being melted off over and over again for eternity? I think not. And to make things worse, I hate fire. I cant bring myself to start up a cooker or light a match. So yeah, I fear the afterlife real bad. Even if hell is supposed to just be 'coldness and crippling loneliness while being surrounded by other people calling for help and not paying attnetion to me' as described by some person who attempted suicide but was revived I read about, its still scary.

Seems to me like the constant fire and brimstone would be unsustainable/unbearable. It could be that we are in hell, living miserable lives over and over and over.