Discussion Exit does not support SaSu

[Secrets1]

This statement settles it. I don't care about extenuating circumstances. They could've kept their mouths and actions shut.

Exit international is profit focused, hypocritical and spineless. SS has much greater value. These old buggers will perish in short time along with their high & mighty "ethics"

 

[unnormal9]

This statement settles it. I don't care about extenuating circumstances. They could've kept their mouths and actions shut.

Exit international is profit focused, hypocritical and spineless. SS has much greater value. These old buggers will perish in short time along with their high & mighty "ethics"

Those decrepit bitches never gave a two rats ass fuck about its 'customers'.

 

[Pluto]

A peaceful death is every (elderly and seriously ill) person's right

 

[Ambivalent1]

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Dr. kevorkian would be on our side.

 

[Jadzia]

These crusty boomers really know how to alienate a future customer base. I think this should be pinned to the top. Their statement is inflammatory enough to warrant it.

I agree

 

[Forever Sleep]

I guess they're pandering to the most socially acceptable clientele when it comes to suicide- old and ill. I have to agree- I'm not exactly thrilled when children CTB. That's a fault with the internet at large- methods can be found all over the place- not just here. I first found out about SN via a police report- of all things! They even had pictures of the entire kit the guy had bought. Ironic that they should be more careless than somewhere like here.

I guess there's their moral side of it but I agree with everyone else- it tends to come across that they just want royalties off of your death.

I guess copyright infringement might be valid- but where did they get their information from? Did they discover SN? Do they credit who did discover it? Presumably- they researched methods of dieing and collated it. How is that different from what people do here?

Do they have a forum where people are able to talk about their problems and provide support to one another? (Looks like they do actually- I wonder how good it is...)

That's what I HATE the most about all the hatchet pieces against this site. They purposefully ignore what a source of comfort this place is to people. They focus entirely on the fact it provides method information. It does A LOT else asides from that. Many people are actually still alive because of this place! Because it (FINALLY) gave them a safe space to talk about how they truly felt without slinging them in a psyche ward and shoving pills down them.

 

[Buddha.chris]

Exit stands by our belief that older people (over 50 years) and those who are seriously ill have a basic right to the best end of life information.

So what are you saying are you saying that the person under 50 doesn't have those same conditions if not is just as mentally Ill as the 50 year old . what if they have chronic depression ,major depression disorder ,anxiety disorder also suicidal with a brain injury in their early 20s do they qualify they can't stand his or her life anymore do they not have the same rights to ctb . Im curious in the hypocrisy because it seems to me like SS has helped more people then any other suicide forum online go ahead name me one that helped more then SS I'll wait …

 

[Linda]

This statement settles it. I don't care about extenuating circumstances. They could've kept their mouths and actions shut.

Exit international is profit focused, hypocritical and spineless. SS has much greater value. These old buggers will perish in short time along with their high & mighty "ethics"

I think that's a bit harsh. Exit is doing a different job than this site, so it needs to employ different methods. And Exit has its problems too, caused by a world that is often unsympathetic to its aims. But I agree with you that it should simply keep ts mouth shut about SS, except to say that it is not associated with SS.

 

[Pluto]

I think that's a bit harsh. Exit is doing a different job than this site, so it needs to employ different methods. And Exit has its problems too, caused by a world that is often unsympathetic to its aims. But I agree with you that it should simply keep ts mouth shut about SS, except to say that it is not associated with SS.

Yes, the politics around this is very messy. There are numerous roadblocks to even attaining their own political ambition of legalising euthanasia for their clientele. We have at last got euthanasia for terminally ill patients in most of Australia now, but that's it.

Exit must find themselves up against immensely wealthy and powerful forces like the Christian/right-wing lobby. Presumably, one of the main arguments against legalising euthanasia for the elderly would be the slippery slope effect; the possibility of middle-aged and ultimately young people accessing it. ("Won't someone think of the children.") They used similar tactics in opposing gay marriage, arguing that it would eventually lead to people marrying donkeys - I'm paraphrasing of course.

Hence, Exit would be prone to aggressively defend themselves against the false claim of association with a website which is publicly portrayed as supporting youth suicide. Any link would amount to political, well, suicide.

Copyright issues are a legitimate grievance which I don't have an answer for (though I have bought a PPH book at considerable expense, back when it was readily possible to do so). But other than firmly distancing themselves, the wisest course would be to leave us alone and not join forces with the pro-life mob.

Let's not forget that they are giving this website even more publicity. Since we do not have the ageist barriers which they employ, excessive chest-beating is only going to increase the popularity of this website amongst the many people who they dismiss as unworthy of end-of-life rights.

 

[OceanBlue]

("Won't someone think of the children."

the phrase's popularity stems from its capacity to stunt rationality, particularly discourse on morals.

Humans don't make opinions and decisions based on facts. Even to Exit strategy most reply with unfounded fears, like 'they will make us sign papers in hospitals and we'll be placed in sarco machines against our will', or 'doctors will be bribed to get rid of people "legally"'. I've seen it all.

 

[affinity]

I don't think Exit cares about doing the right thing. They are probably just looking to make money, judging from that response. It's like they view peaceful death as a privilege rather than a human right.

It's admittedly hilarious that they've taken this pious, smug view when they pontificate about the site to the likes of BBC, hosting companies etc.

We all know it has nothing to do with your faux concern RE young people - you're that big mad over copyright to information that shouldn't even be subject to copyright tbh.

They also need to admit that they publish suppliers themselves and that's likely something they keep to themselves when speaking to the BBC.

 

[FireFox]

The Geriatrics at Exit international can go FUCK themselves.

 

[DepressedSloth]

This is from an email from the Exit email I received today:

May 4, 2023

Exit Does Not Support 'Sanctioned Suicide' Site[

This Blog Entry is a FACT CHECK to ensure discussion is based on the truth and not what some would like to believe is the truth.

There are no alternative facts in this regard.

To make it clear, Exit International has NO relationship to the Sanctioned Suicide online forums (despite what some may allege).

Exit does not and never has supported these forums.

Indeed, Exit has reported these forums over the years – when possible to hosting companies – for breach of copyright.

Sanctioned Suicide are well versed in playing cat and mouse in ensuring their site remains live.

Exit has also, in the past, written to the media (eg.BBC) to encourage them to focus on Sanctioned Suicide and use the power of the media to have them taken down, permanently. We have issued more take-down notices that we can count.

Exit continues to work hard to ensure that anyone who is in the Sanctioned Suicide forums does not also have access to the Peaceful Pill eHandbook, even if they are over 50 years.

This is why our high-security, photo ID video authentication and the mandate that one must be over the age of 50 years was instigated prior to the sale of every Peaceful Pill eHandbook.

In terms of copyright, Exit is always aggrieved when the copyright of the authors of the Peaceful Pill eHandbook is breached on any site or any public forum. This is theft.

Exit is especially annoyed when past editions of the book have found their way to the Sanctioned Suicide forums given that its members include young people.

Exit watches the Sanctioned Suicide forums daily.

Exit removes rights of access to the Peaceful Pill eHandbook as soon as we become aware that a person may be posting information from the book. Indeed, posting or sharing the contents of the eHandbook with a third party – online or offline – is a breach of our terms of sale and justification for a life ban on re-subscribing.

In regard to Canadian Kenneth Law, Exit has no association or acquaintance with him. Law is not and never has been a subscriber to the Peaceful Pill eHandbook.

It is a travesty that young people are being needlessly caught up in older people's legitimate and rightful access to end of life information.

Exit stands by our belief that older people (over 50 years) and those who are seriously ill have a basic right to the best end of life information.

A peaceful death is every (elderly and seriously ill) person's right

Definition of gatekeeping

 

[GasMonkey]

I used to be a member of the online Peaceful Pill book and they cancelled my account and didn't explain why and no refund given. I wonder if its because they found out I'm a member here.

If you posted a screenshot of the online book here then they caught you. The book has hidden watermarks to identify the account.

 

[Unending]

and Kenneth Law wanted to help everyone who had the money for his exorbitant SN prices. I'm not defending Nitschke, but I find it hilarious that some people sanctify Kenneth and demonize Philip when fundamentally they're the same. they don't care about people who lead miserable lives, they care about lining their pockets, but one is a bit looser than the other :p

Well I think of it like a restaurant owner who tells his customers, "I do this because I want all my customers to have access to the most scrumptious appetizers, entrees, and dessert possible, for a reasonable price"

Maybe they enjoy serving good food to people as much as they claim, but undeniably these customers aren't getting the food if they don't pay.

I guess you just have to decide if the principle (right to die) is actually held by them or if money isn't only a bigger motive, but the only motive, because I think most businesses wouldn't be providing a product without getting payment. Just some random thoughts

 

[free_at_last]

Well, all of that stated above saved me the effort of asking whether PPeH Forums were a useful additional resource to complement SS.