Existence is a paradox

[Hystearical]

Look around wherever you are and contemplate whatever people or organisms or objects are around you. Interact with them in some way for a bit. It seems pretty common sense that these beings and things exist independently of our minds, that is, a strict solipsistic view isn't correct.

But at the same time we can also say that things exist as a function of our brain's interpretation of the physical signals our sense organs perceive.

As far as I can see the Universe exists both outside of our mind and only as part of it at the same time.

 

[CTB Dream]

This prdx exist same no exist tell how math, universe all contain this no separate, say X exist this time deteriorate X = not X prdx

 

[Forever Sleep]

It's like that saying: "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" It's a very arrogant assertion isn't it that living things- especially humans need to bear witness for things to be real?!!

Still- we can only understand the world through our own perception of it. Like you say- the world clearly continues to exist with or without us but our own version of the world can't.

What I find even stranger is this idea of mental illness. At what stage does my perception of my life become 'wrong' or 'ill' or 'distorted'? Enough to say that I am no longer perceiving the world in a 'normal' or 'healthy' way? I'm surely still getting the same or similar visual, auditory and olfactory cues as everyone else but I am interpreting them differently. Why is my reality any less real or true than someone elses?

Surely- it's preference at the end of the day. Is it compulsory to like things? I suppose it isn't normal to start disliking or not caring about things you used to like. Still- it's not impossible. People's tastes change. Sorry- I'm on one of my regular- is depression an illness? Rants! I know that's going off topic... Sorry!

 

[U. A.]

We are each simultaneously both a part of, and the totality of, the entire universe...

 

[Pluto]

 

[Carrot]

What I find even stranger is this idea of mental illness. At what stage does my perception of my life become 'wrong' or 'ill' or 'distorted'? Enough to say that I am no longer perceiving the world in a 'normal' or 'healthy' way? I'm surely still getting the same or similar visual, auditory and olfactory cues as everyone else but I am interpreting them differently. Why is my reality any less real or true than someone elses?

Strange, isn't it?

I think it's different for something more "objective" like schizofremia where on undenably sees the world differently.

I see all the wars, exploitation, evil, am I supposed to ignore all this? I am unable to accept this, but also cannot do much about it. But I'm the weird one, apparently. Good for someone if they can just live ignorantly, I cannot.

Did you ever make a post without an image? I like the uniquness of your posts, just wondering.

 

[Hystearical]

Did you ever make a post without an image? I like the uniquness of your posts, just wondering.

Believe it or not, there was a time when his erudition flowed like the Mississippi in spring. In fact, now that this thread was revived, I will admit, I was ecstatic when @Pluto originally liked this post. To have a philosophical post of mine be validated like that, well, it felt like I had reached a new level on this forum. Like unlocking a hidden achievement.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Did you ever make a post without an image? I like the uniquness of your posts, just wondering.

Very much so, they did/ do:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/ramblings-of-a-madman.209629/#post-3076904

 

[DarkRange55]

Look around wherever you are and contemplate whatever people or organisms or objects are around you. Interact with them in some way for a bit. It seems pretty common sense that these beings and things exist independently of our minds, that is, a strict solipsistic view isn't correct.

It isn't necessarily incorrect. Whether or not things exist independently of your mind is unknowable.

But at the same time we can also say that things exist as a function of our brain's interpretation of the physical signals our sense organs perceive.

Correct.

As far as I can see the Universe exists both outside of our mind

unknowable

and only

why 'only'?

as part of it at the same time.

 

[Hystearical]

It isn't necessarily incorrect. Whether or not things exist independently of your mind is unknowable.

Unknowable in the sense that completely silent pink goblins could materialize before you every time you close your eyes then instantly vanish when you open them. But common sense says that doesn't happen. In the same way, common sense just doesn't support a strict solipsistic view. What else would it be? A simulation? A hallucination?

I feel confident in that as someone who has suffered auditory hallucinations clearly generated by my brain that existed simultaneously as and completely distinct from external sounds. I know that it isn't something I can convey though.

It's not like you relate to the people at least in your life as poor figments of your imagination.

why 'only'?

Because of the previous bit you quoted as correct.

So the way things work in apparently contradictory ways is weird.

 

[SilentSadness]

This world is definitely a paradox, but what's interesting is that it still manages to be extremely cruel and full of suffering. Pain is so universal that it doesn't need to follow logic.