Dutch girl died in June in an end=of=life clinic

[c824767]

Dutch rape victim, 17, dies after euthanasia request

A 17-year-old girl who wrote a book about her struggle with mental illness after being molested and raped has been euthanized in the Netherlands, where she lived and assisted-suicide is legal.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Abood95]

I wish I was dutch..

 

[Ratherbeskinny]

I wish I was dutch..

I'm Dutch. It's not that easy. Maybe 0,5% of the people here on SS would make a change - MAYBE. They make it sound quite easy, but it really isn't. It's legal, but almost impossible.

 

[Ironweed]

This news story is wrong. The clinic refused to treat her and she starved herself to death.

What Really Happened to Noa Pothoven?

Yesterday, reports spread that the 17-year-old Dutch teen had been legally euthanized. That was false.

www.thecut.com

 

[NeCkDeEp]

I'm Dutch and let me tell you all: it's not that easy as it seems like, a lot of people have commited suicide due their euthanisation request being declined, sometimes they're even MORE shit and decline a request at short notice when they've already promised to euthanize you.

 

[Hydrokhoos]

This news story is wrong. The clinic refused to treat her and she starved herself to death.

The article was surprisingly less slanderous than I expected from a Fox News article about euthanasia. Now I know why. Leave it up to them to get a story completely wrong just to push their own agenda.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Yep it was widely misreported

 

[c824767]

I'm Dutch. It's not that easy. Maybe 0,5% of the people here on SS would make a change - MAYBE. They make it sound quite easy, but it really isn't. It's legal, but almost impossible.

applying will not hurt too much

 

[Santiago]

Dutch as well and can confirm what others have said here already

It's far from easy and if you are young with mental problems you can forget about it. Not going to happen.

If you want to have a realistic view of what will happen to you here then look up the story of Maud Hannink.

 

[ArtVandelay]

This news story is wrong. The clinic refused to treat her and she starved herself to death.

The Fox story that OP referenced seems accurate, although I'm not sure OP read or understood the article. It says she "died after euthanasia request", but it does not say that request was granted. Then it says: "Initial reports claimed Noa Pothoven chose to end her life Sunday with the assistance of an end of life clinic", but it does not confirm those reports or that it went as she had chosen. It also includes a quote from a Dutch news site stating that she died because she stopped eating.

I agree, the title is a bit misleading but the article is factually correct.

There is a caption under the link in OP's post that states she was euthanized, but I'm not sure where that's from since I don't see it on the Fox page.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Dutch as well and can confirm what others have said here already

It's far from easy and if you are young with mental problems you can forget about it. Not going to happen.

If you want to have a realistic view of what will happen to you here then look up the story of Maud Hannink.

Can't find anything on that Maud person...maybe it only made Dutch news

 

[Santiago]

Can't find anything on that Maud person...maybe it only made Dutch news

She gets discussed in this very interesting euthanasia/suicide documentary Vice did in Belgium & The Netherlands (I think the docu is worth watching for anyone on here btw)

Too Young To Die

VICE onderzoekt hoe er in Nederland en België wordt omgegaan met psychisch lijdende jongeren die een zelfgekozen dood wensen.

video.vice.com

English subtitles available

She was a 20 year old girl who struggled with severe mental health problems to the point where she tried everything and still didn't find a solution. She didn't get euthanasia and jumped in front of a train in 2016.

 

[NeCkDeEp]

Can't find anything on that Maud person...maybe it only made Dutch news

Maud was at the time 20 years old and applied to be euthanised however her request was declined so she decided to ctb.
Maud had done several attempts before applying to be euthanised and all she wanted was having a peaceful death but ye because of the Netherlands being shit it didn't work out as how she wanted

 

[Mako]

Dutch as well and can confirm what others have said here already

It's far from easy and if you are young with mental problems you can forget about it. Not going to happen.

If you want to have a realistic view of what will happen to you here then look up the story of Maud Hannink.

If the trauma that has been caused to you has been so great like in the case that OP mentioned it seems rather "easy" because people would be more understanding if said person dosent want to live anymore

 

[Ratherbeskinny]

If the trauma that has been caused to you has been so great like in the case that OP mentioned it seems rather "easy" because people would be more understanding if said person dosent want to live anymore

Unfortunately, it's not just about understanding or whether or not your life was shitty enough to end.

Edit: Yeah, that always frustrates the fuck out of me as well.

 

[AnnaJaspers]

Dutch rape victim, 17, dies after euthanasia request

A 17-year-old girl who wrote a book about her struggle with mental illness after being molested and raped has been euthanized in the Netherlands, where she lived and assisted-suicide is legal.

www.foxnews.com

Wrong, ffs. Check your sources, this story was misreported in the media, and now you are doing the damn same thing. She was denied assisted suicide and ended her life via Voluntary cessation of eating and drinking.

Sorry, I'm just repeating what everyone above has said.

 

[Hydrokhoos]

The Fox story that OP referenced seems accurate, although I'm not sure OP read or understood the article. It says she "died after euthanasia request", but it does not say that request was granted. Then it says: "Initial reports claimed Noa Pothoven chose to end her life Sunday with the assistance of an end of life clinic", but it does not confirm those reports or that it went as she had chosen. It also includes a quote from a Dutch news site stating that she died because she stopped eating.

I agree, the title is a bit misleading but the article is factually correct.

There is a caption under the link in OP's post that states she was euthanized, but I'm not sure where that's from since I don't see it on the Fox page.

That makes it more like a lie of omission. Even though they are technically correct they're still purposely being misleading.

 

[MeltingHeart]

That makes it more like a lie of omission. Even though they are technically correct they're still purposely being misleading.

I'd like to read her book- incredibly she had the strenght to write that even during that time when she had severe depression/ ptsd - what was sad was that She did express how hard it was to access mental health services where she was- indicating that at one time she still did want help/ treatment. I also want to know if her violators were bought to justice! Cos if not they are still out there & free!! :(

 

[Daniela]

I am surprised she died so quickly but then she was probably already very physically debilitated (anorexia)

Wondering if maybe she used drugs and her family concealed it?

I'm Dutch. It's not that easy. Maybe 0,5% of the people here on SS would make a change - MAYBE. They make it sound quite easy, but it really isn't. It's legal, but almost impossible.

She did express how hard it was to access mental health services where she was- indicating that at one time she still did want help/ treatment. I also want to know if her violators were bought to justice!

Yep Noa applied herself and was rejected. She also asked for electroshock treatment and was refused

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The country where the misreporting started was - guess what - Italy. (after the Pope retweeted an article)

Debunking the viral news story of a Dutch teenager being legally euthanised

17-year-old Noa Pothoven’s death has been shrouded in hysteria and false information

www.dazeddigital.com

 

[Hydrokhoos]

I'd like to read her book- incredibly she had the strenght to write that even during that time when she had severe depression/ ptsd - what was sad was that She did express how hard it was to access mental health services where she was- indicating that at one time she still did want help/ treatment. I also want to know if her violators were bought to justice! Cos if not they are still out there & free!! :(

I thought the same thing I looked it up and it sounds like the publishers have no plans to translate it to another language, though I admire that they aren't trying to capitalize on her death. I really hope this story helps people begin to see that the resources available aren't working.

I read somewhere (probably Reddit) that we're still in the dark ages when it comes to mental health. The solutions to chain suicidal people to a bed is as useless as bringing a priest in to treat the flu. And it both cases it seems more humane to allow someone to no longer suffer.

 

[MeltingHeart]

I thought the same thing I looked it up and it sounds like the publishers have no plans to translate it to another language, though I admire that they aren't trying to capitalize on her death. I really hope this story helps people begin to see that the resources available aren't working.

I read somewhere (probably Reddit) that we're still in the dark ages when it comes to mental health. The solutions to chain suicidal people to a bed is as useless as bringing a priest in to treat the flu. And it both cases it seems more humane to allow someone to no longer suffer.

Yeah she need strong sustained therapeutic treatment very early on if she was to have a chance to cope/recover with what she had been through, it's seems it wasn't there. really sad case.

 

[Daniela]

"During her time in compulsory mental health care she wore only a specially-made dress, which was so strong that it could not be torn and allow her to take her own life."

How did her parents go from this to letting her go so gracefully?

"She wrote in her autobiography that these stints in isolation made her feel 'almost feel like a criminal, while I haven't so much as stolen sweets from a store in my life'."

:(

 

[riverstyx]

I'm Dutch. It's not that easy. Maybe 0,5% of the people here on SS would make a change - MAYBE. They make it sound quite easy, but it really isn't. It's legal, but almost impossible.

In what cases would euthanasia be readily available?

I imagine terminal cancer and less than 6 months to live would be one such case, but what about the time it takes to process your application? You risk dying before you're accepted.

 

[NeCkDeEp]

In what cases would euthanasia be readily available?

I imagine terminal cancer and less than 6 months to live would be one such case, but what about the time it takes to process your application? You risk dying before you're accepted.

It all depends on being lucky: the mother of my grandma was suffering from dementia and she ended up terminal ill however due dementia she couldn't make the choice to be euthanised.
The doctors decided to give her morphine until she died.
Another case: the grandfather of my grandma was terminal ill as well, he had cancer and his euthanisation request was approved however he passed away naturally one month before his death.
And another example: the brother of my grandma was terminal ill and had cancer as well. The cancer was spread over his whole body, he even mentioned to us that all he wants is to die because life wasn't bearable for him anymore. His request ended up being declined as well, he died naturally one week after he heard that the cancer has spread all over his body tho.

So honestly: it's just being lucky, I guess?

 

[riverstyx]

It all depends on being lucky: the mother of my grandma was suffering from dementia and she ended up terminal ill however due dementia she couldn't make the choice to be euthanised.
The doctors decided to give her morphine until she died.
Another case: the grandfather of my grandma was terminal ill as well, he had cancer and his euthanisation request was approved however he passed away naturally one month before his death.
And another example: the brother of my grandma was terminal ill and had cancer as well. The cancer was spread over his whole body, he even mentioned to us that all he wants is to die because life wasn't bearable for him anymore. His request ended up being declined as well, he died naturally one week after he heard that the cancer has spread all over his body tho.

So honestly: it's just being lucky, I guess?

What's the use in euthanasia if you can't access it in a timely manner?

Maybe it's on purpose so people can't get it even if it's legal.

 

[ManWithNoName]

In what cases would euthanasia be readily available?

There was a Dutch girl named Emily who was euthanized legally there. Her story might shed some light on what it takes for their system to terminate ones life.

 

[Santiago]

The Dutch law has 6 requirements:

1. The person has to be 100% sure of their decision and the decision has to be voluntary
2. The doctor has to provide all information about the person their medical situation (and what their future with it might look like)
3. The person has to visit an impartial/independent doctor who will then give their opinion on whether or not the above requirements are fulfilled or not
4. The euthanasia has to be performed in a medically correct way

Here it starts getting interested (and where a lot of people with mental health issues will fail):

5. The doctor has to be convinced that the person is unbearably suffering without an hope for improvement. 'Without an hope for improvement' means they can never be cured and their unbearable suffering will never get (even slightly) better

6. The doctor has to decide there is no other option. He always has to look for possible other solutions (although the person can't be forced to try them)

As you can see there is a pretty big margin of appreciation here. It should come as no surprise that when you are a young person who applies for this/brings this up, the doctors (and others involved) will always lean towards looking for other solutions. To quote that beautiful documentary I shared earlier.. 'you're young. You are not supposed to die.'

 

[riverstyx]

The Dutch law has 6 requirements:

1. The person has to be 100% sure of their decision and the decision has to be voluntary
2. The doctor has to provide all information about the person their medical situation (and what their future with it might look like)
3. The person has to visit an impartial/independent doctor who will then give their opinion on whether or not the above requirements are fulfilled or not
4. The euthanasia has to be performed in a medically correct way

Here it starts getting interested (and where a lot of people with mental health issues will fail):

5. The doctor has to be convinced that the person is unbearably suffering without an hope for improvement. 'Without an hope for improvement' means they can never be cured and their unbearable suffering will never get (even slightly) better

6. The doctor has to decide there is no other option. He always has to look for possible other solutions (although the person can't be forced to try them)

As you can see there is a pretty big margin of appreciation here. It should come as no surprise that when you are a young person who applies for this/brings this up, the doctors (and others involved) will always lean towards looking for other solutions. To quote that beautiful documentary I shared earlier.. 'you're young. You are not supposed to die.'

If you ask me, nr. 5 makes the law useless, because if you're in hell and suffering it's already too late.

The point of euthanasia is to avoid suffering.

Nice writeup btw.

 

[hhsp]

indeed after not eating and drinking anymore for about 3-weeks her doctor gave her a medicine to die because it was so much suffering
after 3-weeks not eating and drinking

very old people and very ill, this is a good way, smooth and fast and can stop any time
i lost about 20 pounds but it will not kill me. I would look like a Nazi Konzentrationslager inmate before.

young healthy people don't die fast the body is strong

btw i am 50 plus

This news story is wrong. The clinic refused to treat her and she starved herself to death.

What Really Happened to Noa Pothoven?

Yesterday, reports spread that the 17-year-old Dutch teen had been legally euthanized. That was false.

www.thecut.com

 

[Thatdude]

I'm Dutch. It's not that easy. Maybe 0,5% of the people here on SS would make a change - MAYBE. They make it sound quite easy, but it really isn't. It's legal, but almost impossible.

For my understanding it's similar to the USA. I can't remember, but there is 6 or so states where it's legal for this. However, you have to be 6 months from death anyways, and it's a nightmare finding a place that will do it anyways.

I wonder how many would opt in if it was legal everywhere, and to everyone above a given age. I said it before, and I will say it again. It's odd how someone can have an abortion just because, but can't get anyone to help them off themselves.