Don’t jump to conclusions when someone is giving legitimate advice….. response to SN not being best method.

[SchrodingerIsDed]

I'm NGL, like.... SN seems like an extremely painful method to me and like something I'd regret in the throws of it and die extremely regretfully even if I wanted it with my full self. I remember that few years old post with the person who survived a SN attempt and her lips went blue, she was in immense pain. People, if i remember correctly, criticized her for not doing it right AND the larger majority claimed she was a fake profile to tarnish suicide with pride (which upset me, because she had very obviously-her pictures of her lips blue and the timing of her posts lined up, as well as the fact that her initial posts upon taking the dose was very cut and dry and seemed very eager. I had no doubt it was real.


Personally I think SN is painful but people are in denial. Sorry to say. Sorry, guys. I would not be able to attempt after reading as much as I could on it. I'd rather just take fentanyl

Not according to like what was it 20 people in the PPH who died from sn peacefully. Who knows if fent is peaceful either. We don't really know. But yeah I might prefer fent, too. The PPH rates sn as 6/10 for peacefulness. Which is kinda like a 60% score, which would be failing. But if you mix it with benzos and time it right death should probably be pretty fast, if nothing else, and not terribly painful.

Most self-reports on here state they were just drowsy, confused, and a bit uncomfortable, not in a lot of pain.

 

[rozeske]

People aren't out to get anyone that survives sn. Since it's a method many consider on using they will ask questions to get to the bottom of the issue why it failed to the person. Usually the problem turns out to be what they used and how they used it and not the method itself. All of which would never be known if not for the questions and discussions. Also considering how many anti-choicers hate availability of sn and how they are known to post here to try and scare people off the method it's only normal to be sceptical of stories that are far from the usual route of how sn actually works. I think had you initially made your post on what protocol you followed and your condition and how it wasn't a suitable method for you instead of what you first posted you might have gotten a different reaction. I'm sorry you went through all that. It already feels bad enough when an attempt fails but the sn treatment in on itself can be more traumatic than the attempt.

I'm NGL, like.... SN seems like an extremely painful method to me and like something I'd regret in the throws of it and die extremely regretfully even if I wanted it with my full self. I remember that few years old post with the person who survived a SN attempt and her lips went blue, she was in immense pain. People, if i remember correctly, criticized her for not doing it right AND the larger majority claimed she was a fake profile to tarnish suicide with pride (which upset me, because she had very obviously-her pictures of her lips blue and the timing of her posts lined up, as well as the fact that her initial posts upon taking the dose was very cut and dry and seemed very eager. I had no doubt it was real.

It was likely a real attempt but after the discussion (which we can agree could have been dialed back a bit on the aggressiveness) it was concluded that the recommended dose for her weight was not taken, it was sipped over some time and second cup after vomiting wasn't consumed but more importantly it was sn from the pc source back then which at that time a third party vendor was selling nitrate in pc's nitrite bottle.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

A blanket statement would be….
"SN will fail every time"
My statements were incredibly valid, incredibly important, and absolutely needs to be considered AND included in your "blanket" protocol…..

Whatever you think...

 

[Dante_]

People, if i remember correctly, criticized her for not doing it right AND the larger majority claimed she was a fake profile to tarnish suicide with pride (which upset me, because she had very obviously-her pictures of her lips blue and the timing of her posts lined up, as well as the fact that her initial posts upon taking the dose was very cut and dry and seemed very eager. I had no doubt it was real.

You are referring to IntelligentLeg, while the criticism was harsh, in retrospect, it did seem like details weren't adding up plus as far as I can remember, she may have bought SN from a source that was found to not be reliable, the name may have been Pro-cure although she herself said that she may have not successful because of her weight back then but who knows. Unfortunately there will be some people who will be unnecessarily hurtful to the individuals and their effort to even come back and explain what went wrong but those are definitely in the minority, I generally think people on ss are open minded enough to accept that things can go wrong but at the same time, details have to be filled in to the fullest extent in order to have a clear explanation otherwise speculation leads no one anywhere.

Personally I think SN is painful but people are in denial

Also, are you suggesting ss users are desperate enough to be in denial? I don't think that is a fair thing to say, a lot of people here have been through rigorous evaluation of the options before them and chose the one that they're comfortable with. I don't think anyone here would be in denial of a method that's painful when discomfort itself would be a big deterrent, while I do agree that the discomfort around sn is varied per individual response, I do not think that means it is indefinitely painful.

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

I dunno who the fuck these people are that think everyone has access to fentanyl. I definitely do not have your life. And the pain thing, if you're gonna bitch about that - "most" reports I've read here, including friends GBT's & pph etc talk about mild discomfort & the worst of it seems to be the sound of the death rattle, for which it may be traumatic to listen to, but not experience. And then dead. How much pain are you gonna be in if you shoot yourself in the head with a shotgun & flinch at the last second? If you try to jump in front of a train but stumble? If you yeet off a building that "should" guarantee death but doesn't???
And yes the PPH downgraded the score but it is still included in the PEACEFUL pill handbook, researched with witnessed deaths by medical professionals.
Plus every single person on this forum (as far as I am aware ) is alive. Not dead. No experts here.
Just people making tough decisions they may not have ever thought they'd have to make.
But even then, just because people have researched SN & found relief that it exists & they can get access & it's the best possible solution for them - like me - does not mean for a second that I would encourage anyone else to choose it. I would also not encourage anyone to use any other method, it's a highly personal decision, with a lot of factors to consider (how much time you have, how much money, which country you live in, whether you're comfortable with violence or breaking the law & on & on & on).
Plus it's none of my damn business & I've got no guarantee of the age of the person on an internet forum etc.
I have chosen SN as the least shitty option for me, out of a sea of shitty options. As always, if or when a better option became available for me, I would drop SN like a hot rock, without a moment's hesitation, use the better method, die quicker, & stop engaging with this shit, which I keep trying & failing to do....

 

[grapevoid]

I dunno who the fuck these people are that think everyone has access to fentanyl. I definitely do not have your life. And the pain thing, if you're gonna bitch about that - "most" reports I've read here, including friends GBT's & pph etc talk about mild discomfort & the worst of it seems to be the sound of the death rattle, for which it may be traumatic to listen to, but not experience. And then dead. How much pain are you gonna be in if you shoot yourself in the head with a shotgun & flinch at the last second? If you try to jump in front of a train but stumble? If you yeet off a building that "should" guarantee death but doesn't???
And yes the PPH downgraded the score but it is still included in the PEACEFUL pill handbook, researched with witnessed deaths by medical professionals.
Plus every single person on this forum (as far as I am aware ) is alive. Not dead. No experts here.
Just people making tough decisions they may not have ever thought they'd have to make.
But even then, just because people have researched SN & found relief that it exists & they can get access & it's the best possible solution for them - like me - does not mean for a second that I would encourage anyone else to choose it. I would also not encourage anyone to use any other method, it's a highly personal decision, with a lot of factors to consider (how much time you have, how much money, which country you live in, whether you're comfortable with violence or breaking the law & on & on & on).
Plus it's none of my damn business & I've got no guarantee of the age of the person on an internet forum etc.
I have chosen SN as the least shitty option for me, out of a sea of shitty options. As always, if or when a better option became available for me, I would drop SN like a hot rock, without a moment's hesitation, use the better method, die quicker, & stop engaging with this shit, which I keep trying & failing to do....

It's worth noting that everyone's pain tolerance is ALSO going to be different. What is mild to you may be very painful for me.

I still plan to use this method as I have no health abnormalities that should hinder it from working efficiently. But whenever I read "mild discomfort" I just remember the time I had to get an HSG done, they told me I would have mild cramping and just to take an ibuprofen. I generally have a pretty high pain tolerance so I wasn't concerned. Half way into the procedure I was in SO much pain that I legit felt shook up by it. I refused to even get my blood work after because I was so shook by the pain of the HSG

We all have to consider our own body, how we absorb, digest and react to medications etc when choosing something. I do remember reading you should not use any form of poison if you have digestive issues so, idk. I'm still feeling comfortable with SN for myself.
And .. ya, I have no access to fent and don't fancy buying illegal drugs.

And again… I'm not sure why anyone would think any form of dying would be completely painless. I imagine all methods have at least some pain associated which is why I will not skip benzos and feel worried when people say they're going to. I'm counting on passing out from benzos to be successful

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

It's worth noting that everyone's pain tolerance is ALSO going to be different. What is mild to you may be very painful for me.

I still plan to use this method as I have no health abnormalities that should hinder it from working efficiently. But whenever I read "mild discomfort" I just remember the time I had to get an HSG done, they told me I would have mild cramping and just to take an ibuprofen. I generally have a pretty high pain tolerance so I wasn't concerned. Half way into the procedure I was in SO much pain that I legit felt shook up by it. I refused to even get my blood work after because I was so shook by the pain of the HSG

We all have to consider our own body, how we absorb, digest and react to medications etc when choosing something. I do remember reading you should not use any form of poison if you have digestive issues so, idk. I'm still feeling comfortable with SN for myself.
And .. ya, I have no access to fent and don't fancy buying illegal drugs.

And again… I'm not sure why anyone would think any form of dying would be completely painless. I imagine all methods have at least some pain associated which is why I will not skip benzos and feel worried when people say they're going to. I'm counting on passing out from benzos to be successful

Absolutely. I put the "most" in inverted commas for a reason, & said it's the least shitty option for me - not a ringing endorsement by a long ways. But despite all the negatives, I'm just grateful it exists & that I could access it. And grateful for this site. I would 100% have attempted a prescription med overdose without it & according to this site, most likely failed, possibly with some long term implications (health issues, psych ward). SN is not a perfect choice but it's mine. As for the pain, that was one of the deciding factors for me - I pictured the worst case, scaremongering version of writhing in agony & puking my guts up - and it still came up as the least shitty option, for me, personally. Even the bogus pain reports are far less than giving birth or kidney stones or a million other things that get endured every day, sometimes by choice. It's relative. And it's for a purpose. And it depends on how much you want it, what other methods you're capable of, so many things. It's not easy. If I could find a painfree way, a dignified way, a guaranteed "I can't screw it up" way, that would be a life-changing / death changing miracle. I'm not counting on it, for me. Hoping though. I just keep putting my faith in the word "Peaceful" in pph, & the doctors who endorse it, above all else. To each their own (bus )

 

[grapevoid]

I also wonder … SN seems painful compared to what? Because it looks a lot less painful than the majority of other readily available methods and carries the least risk for long term effects if the attempt is failed. (Assuming you have nothing that would exclude you from using this method successfully)

Absolutely. I put the "most" in inverted commas for a reason, & said it's the least shitty option for me - not a ringing endorsement by a long ways. But despite all the negatives, I'm just grateful it exists & that I could access it. And grateful for this site. I would 100% have attempted a prescription med overdose without it & according to this site, most likely failed, possibly with some long term implications (health issues, psych ward). SN is not a perfect choice but it's mine. As for the pain, that was one of the deciding factors for me - I pictured the worst case, scaremongering version of writhing in agony & puking my guts up - and it still came up as the least shitty option, for me, personally. Even the bogus pain reports are far less than giving birth or kidney stones or a million other things that get endured every day, sometimes by choice. It's relative. And it's for a purpose. And it depends on how much you want it, what other methods you're capable of, so many things. It's not easy. If I could find a painfree way, a dignified way, a guaranteed "I can't screw it up" way, that would be a life-changing / death changing miracle. I'm not counting on it, for me. Hoping though. I just keep putting my faith in the word "Peaceful" in pph, & the doctors who endorse it, above all else. To each their own (bus )

I genuinely considered this. I have given birth naturally, with no medical intervention so I use that as a baseline for pain pretty regularly. Even if it took 30mins to an hour to pass out, it would still be less time than labor and seems like a few scales down pain wise.

 

[Dante_]

SN seems painful compared to what? Because it looks a lot less painful than the majority of other readily available methods and carries the least risk for long term effects if the attempt is failed. (Assuming you have nothing that would exclude you from using this method successfully)

I'm personally reluctant to say it carries the least risk for long term effects however, at this point, the discussion around this method is largely circular, whatever pain people can handle is whatever they feel they can endure.

Even the bogus pain reports are far less than giving birth or kidney stones or a million other things that get endured every day, sometimes by choice. It's relative.

True but even I'm not sure where these claims of several reports of painful experiences come from unless it's already what's on the forum.

 

[grapevoid]

I'm personally reluctant to say it carries the least risk for long term effects however, at this point, the discussion around this method is largely circular, whatever pain people can handle is whatever they feel they can endure.

Do you care to elaborate regarding the long term effects of a failed attempt? I'm genuinely curious, not challenging you. I haven't seen much information saying otherwise for this specific method. (I have 1 failed attempt with gas and experienced no permanent long term effects despite passing out for idek how long and being pretty out of it for the next 24hrs, I'm not trying to take too many more chances LOL)

 

[Dante_]

Do you care to elaborate regarding the long term effects of a failed attempt? I'm genuinely curious, not challenging you. I haven't seen much information saying otherwise for this specific method.

I'd rather not talk about it if I'm being honest. My apologies but I hope you can respect that.

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

@grapevoid & @Dante_
Only have the quickest of seconds sorry - I can imagine it would be painful on an ulcerated stomach or other digestive issues but that's up to the individual to work out. And I defs think having a mental baseline of worst pain & duration is helpful because you know what you're capable of. We can endure if we have to, if we choose to.
I think it's just human to be scared - everyone was terrified of Covid & thought they were gonna die & then a bunch of people purposely contracted it to get a few sick days on the couch - it's the same in that at risk people did die, healthy people could have it & not even know, some people complained how sick they were because they were really sick, some just complained because they were weak & not used to pain or illness or suffering. But if you've reached SaSu, you've probably suffered. But the reported GBT's I've read here have all reassured me, rather than scared me. I dunno if I said what I was trying to but have to run sorry if it's a mess...

 

[Hobowithalaptop]

I wonder how much processing power is used on this. And if it really pays of in crypto currency.

 

[SufferingInDenmark]

has this "SN" ever been mentioned in any legit suicide articles?
i'm just paranoid that it won't work and it's like a rumor or whatever.
any documented success cases?

 

[opheliaoveragain]

has this "SN" ever been mentioned in any legit suicide articles?
i'm just paranoid that it won't work and it's like a rumor or whatever.
any documented success cases?

short answer, yes. bbc has talked about successes & in relation to this space multiple times as well as other sources.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

I also have problems with digesting, I know what foods I should and should not ingest, usually water passes quickly through me while food remains in the stomach for 12 hours, I am quite lucky with the water part. I will probably use double the amount of water needed for the SN to make sure I get it in, I want it to be thoroughly disolved. And hey if I end up living, hooray , things to learn from the attempt. When I was 6 yo's I vomited 10-20 times in one day and shit myself over 10 times got completely deshydrated. I'm used to vomit and stomach pain.

 

[wham311]

I accidentally took fentanyl and puked everything up, is my stomach too weak for sn

 

[rozeske]

has this "SN" ever been mentioned in any legit suicide articles?
i'm just paranoid that it won't work and it's like a rumor or whatever.
any documented success cases?

You won't find much with the term "sn" except when they talk about "a suicide forum" but if you look up sodium nitrite poisoning you will find several news articles and medical journals of cases.

 

[aiyuxhan]

You called me a "troll", accused me of being an "activist", saying I failed cause I didn't follow SN "protocols….
For a forum offering support, y'all were clearly NOT doing that.
Let the troll explain….

I did a lot of research and found such different experiences among individuals like it was night & day. Of course there is a "protocol" on potency, fasting times, and amount. But it is most certainly NOT that cut & dry. That is why you see multiple failed attempts using the method to a T.
Hell, people have survived jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. This and every other method are not a "one size fits all". Not even close. You can jump from a second story building & die instantly on impact…or just break a few bones. You can jump off of the tallest buildings & bridges, and the same applies. You can die on impact, or you can slowly die in severe pain while awaiting rescue. Or, you can be rescued & survive which will most likely be an absolutely awful experience.
Being told not to make a blanket statement is ridiculous.
I'm not saying it doesn't work. I'm saying there is no guarantee, and there is still a large possibility it won't work.
Nothing is guaranteed.
You just have to truly think about what you are willing to do & willing to experience while the method takes time to work or if you fail. I feel offering my experience can give everyone here the opportunity to know & learn that nothing is guaranteed to work. Nothing.

I have a medical condition called gastroparesis. My stomach is 85% paralyzed. Fasting times for me are incredibly different from normal because contents remain in my stomach 85% longer than the norm. Tht being said, I absorb through the stomach incredibly slow. If I take medication, it takes up to 3-4 hours to start working & I need a considerably higher dose than the recommended ones. I researched it at great length taking into consideration the half life of the SN, as well as the antiemetics. Also calculating my gastric emptying with absorption rated to ensure that the method would be successful. I didn't fail because I didn't follow the "protocol". I failed because there is absolutely no way to accurately calculate or measure the amount/potency with my medical condition. I also have AI, in which my body does not produce cortisol. If you don't know what that is, then there is no way for you to be able to understand why or how I determined the formula I used. I'll say again….everyone is different, this is NOT one size fits all, and it is most certainly NOT guaranteed. I am not trying to troll or give misinformation. I'm telling my experience associated with the way my body functions.
Taking all that into consideration, makes my experience far from flawed. It makes the protocol flawed because it gives absolutely NO consideration to such obstacles that absolutely need to account for changes & major modifications.

I'm not encouraging or discouraging anything here. Failing was devastating to me. Extremely. I'm very sick & I suffer greatly. Waking up in the ICU was pretty awful to say the least. Read on in the thread on more explanation to my experience. I'm offering genuine advice & correct information as a helpful tool. NOT to cause any encouragement or lack there of…..

Thank you.

Wow, I'm so sorry that it didn't work out for you. :( I have chronic illnesses and chronic pain 24/7, so I kind of understand in a different way how you feel. One of my conditions is IBS, so I have been trying to do research in terms of SN consumption and this condition :/

 

[DrJ3llyf1sh]

You called me a "troll", accused me of being an "activist", saying I failed cause I didn't follow SN "protocols….
For a forum offering support, y'all were clearly NOT doing that.
Let the troll explain….

I did a lot of research and found such different experiences among individuals like it was night & day. Of course there is a "protocol" on potency, fasting times, and amount. But it is most certainly NOT that cut & dry. That is why you see multiple failed attempts using the method to a T.
Hell, people have survived jumping off of the Golden Gate Bridge in San Francisco. This and every other method are not a "one size fits all". Not even close. You can jump from a second story building & die instantly on impact…or just break a few bones. You can jump off of the tallest buildings & bridges, and the same applies. You can die on impact, or you can slowly die in severe pain while awaiting rescue. Or, you can be rescued & survive which will most likely be an absolutely awful experience.
Being told not to make a blanket statement is ridiculous.
I'm not saying it doesn't work. I'm saying there is no guarantee, and there is still a large possibility it won't work.
Nothing is guaranteed.
You just have to truly think about what you are willing to do & willing to experience while the method takes time to work or if you fail. I feel offering my experience can give everyone here the opportunity to know & learn that nothing is guaranteed to work. Nothing.

I have a medical condition called gastroparesis. My stomach is 85% paralyzed. Fasting times for me are incredibly different from normal because contents remain in my stomach 85% longer than the norm. Tht being said, I absorb through the stomach incredibly slow. If I take medication, it takes up to 3-4 hours to start working & I need a considerably higher dose than the recommended ones. I researched it at great length taking into consideration the half life of the SN, as well as the antiemetics. Also calculating my gastric emptying with absorption rated to ensure that the method would be successful. I didn't fail because I didn't follow the "protocol". I failed because there is absolutely no way to accurately calculate or measure the amount/potency with my medical condition. I also have AI, in which my body does not produce cortisol. If you don't know what that is, then there is no way for you to be able to understand why or how I determined the formula I used. I'll say again….everyone is different, this is NOT one size fits all, and it is most certainly NOT guaranteed. I am not trying to troll or give misinformation. I'm telling my experience associated with the way my body functions.
Taking all that into consideration, makes my experience far from flawed. It makes the protocol flawed because it gives absolutely NO consideration to such obstacles that absolutely need to account for changes & major modifications.

I'm not encouraging or discouraging anything here. Failing was devastating to me. Extremely. I'm very sick & I suffer greatly. Waking up in the ICU was pretty awful to say the least. Read on in the thread on more explanation to my experience. I'm offering genuine advice & correct information as a helpful tool. NOT to cause any encouragement or lack there of…..

Thank you.

I'm sorry you were called a troll, that really sucks especially for someone who is struggling. I hope you find a way that gives you peace, and while I don't exactly want you to die, a peaceful option is NO2 canisters. I think something like that might work for you because of the medical conditions you suffer from. Wishing you the best.