Discussion Don't give out sources or instruction

[badatparties]

Every day, there is a post asking for sources or instructions. Unless you want to be responsible for the CTB of a 16 year old, don't give them anything. You're just implicating yourself and ruining the reputation of the forum. Just ignore the post, or tell them they have to look for that info in the threads themselves. Give info if it prevents harm only.

This is just my opinion. Not trying to tell anyone what to do.

 

[Baisley]

I understand where you are coming from however, I am almost 50 and I would love some instructions and help myself .I have read the threads and guides ECT but still find it confusing..Especially the hanging one. It just doesn't seem very detailed or descriptive to me at all. But no one wants to be responsible for a minors death. This is a CTB forum though and I just think some of us of would love a little more help ourselves.

 

[badatparties]

I understand where you are coming from however, I am almost 50 and I would love some instructions and help myself .I have read the threads and guides ECT but still find it confusing..Especially the hanging one. It just doesn't seem very detailed or descriptive to me at all. But no one wants to be responsible for a minors death. This is a CTB forum though and I just think some of us of would love a little more help ourselves.

If one wants to help, they can easily PM you.

 

[Dür Ktulhu]

Pay no attention. Can't you see what kind of photo the guy has?

 

[badatparties]

Pay no attention. Can't you see what kind of photo the guy has?

What do you mean? That's Rust Cohle from true detective. Fits right in on this forum lol.

 

[soul2realm]

Dear fellow passengers, kindly be considerate towards each other. At the end of the day, we are all we got. Blessings and love.

 

[OnMyLast Legs]

I understand where you are coming from however, I am almost 50 and I would love some instructions and help myself .I have read the threads and guides ECT but still find it confusing..Especially the hanging one. It just doesn't seem very detailed or descriptive to me at all. But no one wants to be responsible for a minors death. This is a CTB forum though and I just think some of us of would love a little more help ourselves.

The good hanging thread was written by a poster named Evelyn, that might not be the whole name

Are you new to hanging? Or maybe just trying to find out if hanging is the right method for you? This reading guide has you covered! This is your one stop shop to both partial suspension hanging and full suspension hanging.

This is a reading guide to the guides I published on this forum so far. I will arrange the guides in the order you should read them. I highly recommend you read them all.

With this, I guarantee you will find out whether or not hanging is right for you and, if it is a good fit, you'll have all the knowledge you need to hang yourself like an expert.

Unfortunately I can't edit the original post, so in case of future updates check the replies below.

With all that out the way, let's begin!


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Why everyone fails at partial hanging

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2) Learn from how others have managed to kill themselves with partial suspension hanging:

Collection of videos of successful partial suspension hanging attempts

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Editor's note: At the moment of writing, I didn't publish any written guide on partial suspension hanging specifically, since for the vast majority of people it just won't work. But it follows a lot of the same principles of full suspension hanging, so you can read the guides below to get an idea on how partial suspension hanging should be done. Particularly, look at step 6 of this guide.

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Guide on how to lose consciousness when hanging yourself (aka most common hanging mistakes)

I've seen a lot of doubt regarding whether or not someone is conscious or unconscious during a full suspension hanging attempt. Below I've linked some videos in which people are undoubtedly conscious for a few minutes (due to them not following the hanging best practices)...

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7) Learn some important information on hanging:

Collection of useful tips, tricks and notes on hanging

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Hope this is a good source of information to everyone! May you all find peace in your journey!

 

[idontknowwhatiam]

Every day, there is a post asking for sources or instructions. Unless you want to be responsible for the CTB of a 16 year old, don't give them anything. You're just implicating yourself and ruining the reputation of the forum. Just ignore the post, or tell them they have to look for that info in the threads themselves. Give info if it prevents harm only.

This is just my opinion. Not trying to tell anyone what to do.

No

 

[Dejected 55]

I mean... I get where you're coming from... but. what's the difference between someone posting on the forum and you replying VS them sending you a private message and you replying VS the countless threads on here that contain information that you recommend people search for? Those threads were posts by members of the forum.

IF the argument is about potential liability if someone takes your "advice" and dies... then this whole forum needs a good scrubbing because anyone who posted in any of the "information" threads would be just as liable for putting the information where someone can find it.

Situations: You ask for help doing XXX...

1. I reply to your public post telling you how to do XXX.

2. You send me a private message and I reply to that in private telling you how to do XXX.

3. I point you to an existing forum where someone else has previously posted on how to do XXX.

4. I point you to an existing forum where I previously posted on how to do XXX.

IF any of those creates a liability issue, then they all do.

The only way to not be liable at all would be to never answer questions, never offer help, and not have any threads on here that have information that might help.

 

[hell toupee]

I don't know, I can understand both sides here.

Morally, I wouldn't want to be responsible for some young person who thinks their world is ending simply because they got bad grades to go off and make an impulsive decision.

As we get older, we find out that things that seemed so horrible at the time often blow over and turn out to be nothing.

On the other hand, I am in a position where I've carefully and logically decided that ctb is my only option, and if someone had the knowledge or know-how to do it peacefully, I would've given anything for that. So I'm torn in wanting to help vs the moral dilemma that I could be helping someone make a rash, impulsive, and irreversible decision.

Ctb should be the absolute last resort. It should not be done on a whim.

Anyone who has come to the conclusion that this is what they want, such as people with crippling physical or mental disabilities, will be driven to find the answers they are looking for. They DO exist and can be found on these forums. But it takes an effort - which is probably for the best. Someone who wants a quick way to ctb because of some minor issue should not be making such a permanent decision.

I say all of this as someone who made a thread a few months ago that would be a reasonable peaceful and easy way to ctb, and on second thought had the mods remove it.

Honestly, whether it's here, in the private discussion, or via PMs, I don't see the difference in the liability. Best believe there are parents and family members out there who will want someone to blame, and even if I'm gone, I can't imagine putting my mother through the embarrassment and shock should law enforcement start investigating things.

Very hard decision.

 

[badatparties]

Anyone who has come to the conclusion that this is what they want, such as people with crippling physical or mental disabilities, will be driven to find the answers they are looking for. They DO exist and can be found on these forums. But it takes an effort - which is probably for the best. Someone who wants a quick way to ctb because of some minor issue should not be making such a permanent decision.

Exactly, anyone who is intelligent and committed, will look through the vast amount of info, and find what they need. Impulse questions from new users who are likely teenagers shouldn't be answered.

I've seen people PM new users without knowing who they are at all. Whatever, your choices.

 

[dragon.//]

We are all here for the same reason

 

[BradGuy123]

Here's a thought. If we see a post for someone who might be underage, we should report it to the admins. Sometimes you can tell by the language or a mention of their parents leaving them alone or their parents finding them after ctb. Devil's advocate: if they get banned they'd probably just create another account.

 

[hell toupee]

Exactly, anyone who is intelligent and committed, will look through the vast amount of info, and find what they need. Impulse questions from new users who are likely teenagers shouldn't be answered.

I've seen people PM new users without knowing who they are at all. Whatever, your choices.

I agree.


But it's tough because I read posts of people genuinely suffering, and it's tough not to want to help.


I mentioned above that I had made a thread a few months ago of a method that could deliver a peaceful ctb with a few things from Amazon. Right after I made the thread I happened to bump in to a news article from a few years ago of a guy who was convicted in the suicide deaths of 2 people by simply providing instructions on a forum (not sure which). Now, he went a little further in that he was coaching them while they were in the act of doing it, and also encouraging them. That scared me a little bit.


That was a little scary, as I would not be surprised at all if some teenager used info here and their parents end up on the warpath, needing to blame someone for what more than likely are their failures.


I completely understand the right to free speech and all that, given this site is hosted in the US, but with everything going on right now politically, it seems what once were constitutional protections has gone completely out the window.


I'm glad I'm getting out of this shitshow of a world soon.


Just sucks to see so many genuine and sweet people here suffering so much.

 

[Steph99]

I kind of agree with OP.

The ironic thing of making people aware of resources is that they often appear quite complicated (eg SN protocol or detailed hanging threads). So probably suppresses impulsive attempts.

Without this site young people would probably just hang themselves (most likely fatal but probably painful) or OD (most likely unsuccessful).

 

[Cyc]

The ironic thing of making people aware of resources is that they often appear quite complicated (eg SN protocol or detailed hanging threads). So probably suppresses impulsive attempts.

I agree, most of the method threads are quite long and have a lot of optional details as well which can be quite confusing and may even put people off CTB

I think one of the biggest deterrents for CTB here is the non-methods thread. A lot of the methods on there are quite common and almost always fail

 

[JesiBel]

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[jeevasO-o]

Here's a thought. If we see a post for someone who might be underage, we should report it to the admins. Sometimes you can tell by the language or a mention of their parents leaving them alone or their parents finding them after ctb. Devil's advocate: if they get banned they'd probably just create another account.

Yeah but you can't know for sure if they are underage. The parents thing doesn't mean anything as many still live with their parents (including me). The language also doesn't has to mean anything as people are different and some aren't fluent in English or have some disability. And ofc someone 20 can be somewhat similar to someone underage

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True!! So agree with you. At the same time a minor can talk mature or an adult can talk immature. It also is hard to ban someone possibly being underage, when there's no direct proof.
However, this site obviously isn't for immature, very unstable people. It says that in the TOS too... So yeah.

Also I didn't see a post before which seemed immature or made me think the person is underage yet. So I might not really know how those posts can look like

 

[Always-in-trouble]

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Difficult when the difference between some age groups, like an 18 to 19 year-old (which are allowed) and a 16 year-old isn't substantial enough to consider if immature behaviour is the flag here.

 

[jeevasO-o]

Well this is an informative forum talking about suicide. Of course people will ask for resources and advice in posts. It's there for that too. However I think those posts shouldn't be visable when you don't have an account yet. (This would also prevent imposters, like journalists who wanna make us seem bad, to see our post and things) I know minors can still make an account and get access, but they have to still write a reasoning why they wanna join and get approved. I'm sure some also just wont bother making an account. The searchbar also isn't something you immediately get, which I think is good.

And what I also think is, we aren't responsible for random kids coming on this 18+ site? Their parents need to watch them. We can't just censor and hide everything just because minors go on 18+ sites. We wouldn't blame porn hub for making a minor porn addicted, when the site is 18+ if you understand what I'm saying.

 

[martyrdom]

Here's a thought. If we see a post for someone who might be underage, we should report it to the admins. Sometimes you can tell by the language or a mention of their parents leaving them alone or their parents finding them after ctb. Devil's advocate: if they get banned they'd probably just create another account.

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[badatparties]

So, newcomers will have to wait quite a while before they can build up a base of information for themselves.

Good, let them figure it out gradually by looking through the threads. Spoon feeding sources or instructions to new users who may be teenagers, law enforcement, or journalists is a bad idea. There's really no new knowledge to be gained from discussing a SN protocol, all the pertinent info is already there.

 

[Alpacachino]

Pay no attention. Can't you see what kind of photo the guy has?

That's a pic from one of the best TV shows ever. You should try True detective.

However, this site obviously isn't for immature, very unstable people. It says that in the TOS too... So yeah.

Lol,you'll change your mind about that soon enough.

 

[badatparties]

That's a pic from one of the best TV shows ever. You should try True detective.

She's watched it before...........and she'll watch it again.

 

[JesiBel]

Good, let them figure it out gradually by looking through the threads. Spoon feeding sources or instructions to new users who may be teenagers, law enforcement, or journalists is a bad idea. There's really no new knowledge to be gained from discussing a SN protocol, all the pertinent info is already there.

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[Dante_]

It goes without saying