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artificialpasta

artificialpasta

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Feb 2, 2020
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If there's one doctrine keeping me from believing in the whole thing it's this one, specifically the eternal conscious torment model. I'm familiar with the arguments - Jesus himself very heavily implied it, if not outright preached it ("...these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life"); the penalty for offending an infinite being is infinite; souls are eternal. But it just isn't something I can believe wholeheartedly.

I've polled this forum before and I already suspect most people here don't believe in a hell but I would love to hear a take from anyone who does.
 
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ElTopo

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Don't listen to me, I am drunk
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It is the one doctrine keeping me from believing in the whole thing, or from even wanting to believe, specifically the eternal conscious torment model. I'm familiar with the arguments - Jesus himself very heavily implied it, if not outright preached it ("...these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life"); the penalty for offending an infinite being is infinite; souls are eternal. But it just isn't something I can believe wholeheartedly.

I've polled this forum before and I already suspect most people here don't believe in a hell but I would love to hear a take from anyone who does.
I'm pretty sure there is debate in Christianity whether hell exists and if it is eternal. I think this place is hell enough and we bring our own hell inside ourselves. That said Jesus also preached forgiveness and died on a cross to atone for whatever horrible sin you have or will commit, that doesn't mean you should sin freely and carelessly, but if you are remorseful in your heart you have already been forgiven.
 
artificialpasta

artificialpasta

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Feb 2, 2020
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I'm pretty sure there is debate in Christianity whether hell exists and if it is eternal. I think this place is hell enough and we bring our own hell inside ourselves. That said Jesus also preached forgiveness and died on a cross to atone for whatever horrible sin you have or will commit, that doesn't mean you should sin freely and carelessly, but if you are remorseful in your heart you have already been forgiven.
All the historic/mainstream branches reject annihilationism. I know Christianity is about seeking forgiveness but that is also what makes suicide a unique kind of sin, since there is no repentance after death.
 
darksouls

darksouls

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I think humanity is making this planet a hell
if there is another hell then it is empty
because all devils are here on earth
 
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YandereMikuMistress

YandereMikuMistress

you say falling victim to myself is weak, so be it
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I think humanity is making this planet a hell
if there is another hell then it is empty
because all devils are here on earth
Yea that's basically how Jehovah/Yahweh describes hell to be, "satan is here with us walking along the rest of us do not believe that Satan lives in Hell or that he has been given responsibility to punish the wicked.


It's funny how Jehovah's witnesses and I notice almost any religion uses humans worst traits and label them literally like JAMES 1:14, 15 says "Each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin"
as if they aren't inherently bad people but have been deceived and lured By satan to do bad and depraved and or inhumane things even severe depression or mental illness
"because what else could ensue such vulgarity" could only be workings of that devil I guess :⁠^⁠)
 
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Nothing Left

Nothing Left

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I believe there could be a hell realm, based off various accounts/claims, but that it isn't permanent.

However I think there are other realms apart from it.

And I think it's possible that where we go after death depends on our beliefs/expectations.

These videos by this tarot reader might grant some solace (or entertainment value) on the issue:



 
DarkRange55

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The philosopher Sartre said, "Hell is other people." From his play No Exit (Huis Clos) - his definition of "hell" isn't others per se, but the way their gaze and judgment trap us and force us into self-perception as objects.
Just thought a lot of users would appreciate that and actually probably already know this quote lol

Across different cultures, you always imagine that the good gods are in heaven and all the gods that can take care of us and we really depend on are all in the sky. And whats beneath the earth is always something like hell, like the underworld, it's for dead people. And then if you read the folklore, the gods in the sky are basically assholes. But for example the god of death, like how you pass, where you're going after you die, there's a certain level of compassion to it. I think we realized there's this random in nature. You were just working on the land and all of the sudden there's an earthquake or a flood coming so you probably think that those gods don't have a good temper. So you start to envision them being dicks all around just messing around with people. But death is certain and we have this sympathy and empathy towards deceased people. So we imagine that when they die maybe they're in some peaceful place. Maybe they needed to explain to themselves because there's a lot of unpredictability in life and especially in nature so maybe we offended the gods in some kind of way by not doing something they wanted us to pay attention to. And I think that's where the whole sacrifice thing comes in. The whole giving up on something in order to get something else down the road. I think there's a lot of that involved. Because I think when these gods, these religions came into play we kind of moved into agriculture. So we started thinking about the future more. Probably as humans. Planning more. What we do today is going to reflect whats coming down the road.


For a more theological take:
 
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