Does anyone here believe in hell?

[artificialpasta]

If there's one doctrine keeping me from believing in the whole thing it's this one, specifically the eternal conscious torment model. I'm familiar with the arguments - Jesus himself very heavily implied it, if not outright preached it ("...these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life"); the penalty for offending an infinite being is infinite; souls are eternal. But it just isn't something I can believe wholeheartedly.

I've polled this forum before and I already suspect most people here don't believe in a hell but I would love to hear a take from anyone who does.

 

[ElTopo]

It is the one doctrine keeping me from believing in the whole thing, or from even wanting to believe, specifically the eternal conscious torment model. I'm familiar with the arguments - Jesus himself very heavily implied it, if not outright preached it ("...these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life"); the penalty for offending an infinite being is infinite; souls are eternal. But it just isn't something I can believe wholeheartedly.

I've polled this forum before and I already suspect most people here don't believe in a hell but I would love to hear a take from anyone who does.

I'm pretty sure there is debate in Christianity whether hell exists and if it is eternal. I think this place is hell enough and we bring our own hell inside ourselves. That said Jesus also preached forgiveness and died on a cross to atone for whatever horrible sin you have or will commit, that doesn't mean you should sin freely and carelessly, but if you are remorseful in your heart you have already been forgiven.

 

[artificialpasta]

I'm pretty sure there is debate in Christianity whether hell exists and if it is eternal. I think this place is hell enough and we bring our own hell inside ourselves. That said Jesus also preached forgiveness and died on a cross to atone for whatever horrible sin you have or will commit, that doesn't mean you should sin freely and carelessly, but if you are remorseful in your heart you have already been forgiven.

All the historic/mainstream branches reject annihilationism. I know Christianity is about seeking forgiveness but that is also what makes suicide a unique kind of sin, since there is no repentance after death.

 

[darksouls]

I think humanity is making this planet a hell
if there is another hell then it is empty
because all devils are here on earth

 

[YandereMikuMistress]

I think humanity is making this planet a hell
if there is another hell then it is empty
because all devils are here on earth

Yea that's basically how Jehovah/Yahweh describes hell to be, "satan is here with us walking along the rest of us do not believe that Satan lives in Hell or that he has been given responsibility to punish the wicked.


It's funny how Jehovah's witnesses and I notice almost any religion uses humans worst traits and label them literally like JAMES 1:14, 15 says "Each one is tried by being drawn out and enticed by his own desire. Then the desire, when it has become fertile, gives birth to sin"
as if they aren't inherently bad people but have been deceived and lured By satan to do bad and depraved and or inhumane things even severe depression or mental illness
"because what else could ensue such vulgarity" could only be workings of that devil I guess :⁠^⁠)

 

[Pluto]

 

[purplesky9]

I believe in hell on earth. I'm living through it at the moment.

 

[Quietist]

I believe there could be a hell realm, based off various accounts/claims, but that it isn't permanent.

However I think there are other realms apart from it.

And I think it's possible that where we go after death depends on our beliefs/expectations.

These videos by this tarot reader might grant some solace (or entertainment value) on the issue:

 

[DarkRange55]

The philosopher Sartre said, "Hell is other people." From his play No Exit (Huis Clos) - his definition of "hell" isn't others per se, but the way their gaze and judgment trap us and force us into self-perception as objects.
Just thought a lot of users would appreciate that and actually probably already know this quote lol

Across different cultures, you always imagine that the good gods are in heaven and all the gods that can take care of us and we really depend on are all in the sky. And whats beneath the earth is always something like hell, like the underworld, it's for dead people. And then if you read the folklore, the gods in the sky are basically assholes. But for example the god of death, like how you pass, where you're going after you die, there's a certain level of compassion to it. I think we realized there's this random in nature. You were just working on the land and all of the sudden there's an earthquake or a flood coming so you probably think that those gods don't have a good temper. So you start to envision them being dicks all around just messing around with people. But death is certain and we have this sympathy and empathy towards deceased people. So we imagine that when they die maybe they're in some peaceful place. Maybe they needed to explain to themselves because there's a lot of unpredictability in life and especially in nature so maybe we offended the gods in some kind of way by not doing something they wanted us to pay attention to. And I think that's where the whole sacrifice thing comes in. The whole giving up on something in order to get something else down the road. I think there's a lot of that involved. Because I think when these gods, these religions came into play we kind of moved into agriculture. So we started thinking about the future more. Probably as humans. Planning more. What we do today is going to reflect whats coming down the road.


For a more theological take:

 

[artificialpasta]

The philosopher Sartre said, "Hell is other people." From his play No Exit (Huis Clos) - his definition of "hell" isn't others per se, but the way their gaze and judgment trap us and force us into self-perception as objects.
Just thought a lot of users would appreciate that and actually probably already know this quote lol

Across different cultures, you always imagine that the good gods are in heaven and all the gods that can take care of us and we really depend on are all in the sky. And whats beneath the earth is always something like hell, like the underworld, it's for dead people. And then if you read the folklore, the gods in the sky are basically assholes. But for example the god of death, like how you pass, where you're going after you die, there's a certain level of compassion to it. I think we realized there's this random in nature. You were just working on the land and all of the sudden there's an earthquake or a flood coming so you probably think that those gods don't have a good temper. So you start to envision them being dicks all around just messing around with people. But death is certain and we have this sympathy and empathy towards deceased people. So we imagine that when they die maybe they're in some peaceful place. Maybe they needed to explain to themselves because there's a lot of unpredictability in life and especially in nature so maybe we offended the gods in some kind of way by not doing something they wanted us to pay attention to. And I think that's where the whole sacrifice thing comes in. The whole giving up on something in order to get something else down the road. I think there's a lot of that involved. Because I think when these gods, these religions came into play we kind of moved into agriculture. So we started thinking about the future more. Probably as humans. Planning more. What we do today is going to reflect whats coming down the road.


For a more theological take:

What do you believe? You start with the naturalist/sociological view that implies hell is invented but end with a video by an apologist for eternal hell.

 

[starboy2k]

Believe in hell?


I wake up to it everyday.

 

[Shadows From Hell]

I don't believe in a heaven or hell, but if they did exist, I'd take hell.

 

[Poiter1987]

I don't believe in a heaven or hell, but if they did exist, I'd take hell.

Comments like these make my eyes roll. Trust me if hell exists you wouldn't want to take that as the option.

I've experienced hell on earth its called and antipsychotic I got injected and had some of the most horrific side effects. Such as akathisia and anhedonia. I'm not joking it made me feel like I was already in hell 24 hours a day.

I was scared to kill myself at that time due to the fact that I felt like I was already in hell and what if I land in hell to suffer this eternally.

Like seriously. It's the worst thing. You don't want to pick hell.

 

[artificialpasta]

Comments like these make my eyes roll. Trust me if hell exists you wouldn't want to take that as the option.

I've experienced hell on earth its called and antipsychotic I got injected and had some of the most horrific side effects. Such as akathisia and anhedonia. I'm not joking it made me feel like I was already in hell 24 hours a day.

I was scared to kill myself at that time due to the fact that I felt like I was already in hell and what if I land in hell to suffer this eternally.

Like seriously. It's the worst thing. You don't want to pick hell.

Yeah answers that dismiss the question because they're "already in hell anyway" come off to me as shallow because the whole idea of it is eternal torment, something infinitely worse than whatever their current condition is. The worst horror of it isn't the torment, it's that there would be no rest from that torment.

It reminds me how, in Paradise Lost, Satan escapes despair by choosing hell because he identifies so strongly with his suffering ("which way I fly is hell; myself am hell"). Subsequently he escapes each level by going down an even deeper level, thus he has made an eternal choice.

 

[ImnotCTB]

The only truth in hell is suffering. Suffering is subjective. Therefore hell is subjective.

 

[Ashu]

Emotionally, irrationally, yes, and this is why I fear death.

 

[letmeseethedeath]

even if there is an hell, I think from my hurting, that is better than this evil life

 

[SchizoPolyGymnast]

Yes, I believe in hell. I am a frequent visitor. Even have the t shirt.

 

[Poiter1987]

Yeah answers that dismiss the question because they're "already in hell anyway" come off to me as shallow because the whole idea of it is eternal torment, something infinitely worse than whatever their current condition is. The worst horror of it isn't the torment, it's that there would be no rest from that torment.

It reminds me how, in Paradise Lost, Satan escapes despair by choosing hell because he identifies so strongly with his suffering ("which way I fly is hell; myself am hell"). Subsequently he escapes each level by going down an even deeper level, thus he has made an eternal choice.

Yeah exactly. Like they are so brave that eternal torment is no problem for them.

This suffering i had was so constant day in day out with no end in sight. Made me think deeply about exactly that "eternal torment".

What sort of a God designs eternal torment in the first place and then chucks you into a wpuod with countless possible doctrines to choose from and if you guess wrong you end up in eternal torment. It sounds completely insane when you break it down.

But people who think they are edgy bu dating give me hell. It passes me off because im not sure they really know what suffering is in the first place to be on a website like this.

 

[JealousOfTheElderly]

No, I don't believe in the "very warm place bad people go to when they die". I believe all souls are judged (book of life) and given infinite chances to evolve and improve through reincarnation.

 

[Shadows From Hell]

Comments like these make my eyes roll. Trust me if hell exists you wouldn't want to take that as the option.

I've experienced hell on earth its called and antipsychotic I got injected and had some of the most horrific side effects. Such as akathisia and anhedonia. I'm not joking it made me feel like I was already in hell 24 hours a day.

I was scared to kill myself at that time due to the fact that I felt like I was already in hell and what if I land in hell to suffer this eternally.

Like seriously. It's the worst thing. You don't want to pick hell.

Since neither heaven or hell exist, I guess I have nothing to worry about.

 

[idiotmother]

Yeah exactly. Like they are so brave that eternal torment is no problem for them.

This suffering i had was so constant day in day out with no end in sight. Made me think deeply about exactly that "eternal torment".

What sort of a God designs eternal torment in the first place and then chucks you into a wpuod with countless possible doctrines to choose from and if you guess wrong you end up in eternal torment. It sounds completely insane when you break it down.

But people who think they are edgy bu dating give me hell. It passes me off because im not sure they really know what suffering is in the first place to be on a website like this.

Are you still suffering from antipsychotic Akathisia? I'm suffering with the same and I'm not sure what to do. Been prescribed seroquel on top of risperidone. They want me to stop the R and switch to seroquel but I can't do it. My brains are so fried I can barely function. I hope that when I die I do not go to any hellish environment, big fear of mine. And I feel like I have to die as I'm neck deep in psych meds and withdrawals, there's no beginning or end to it anymore. A complete downward spiral.

 

[Poiter1987]

Are you still suffering from antipsychotic Akathisia? I'm suffering with the same and I'm not sure what to do. Been prescribed seroquel on top of risperidone. They want me to stop the R and switch to seroquel but I can't do it. My brains are so fried I can barely function. I hope that when I die I do not go to any hellish environment, big fear of mine. And I feel like I have to die as I'm neck deep in psych meds and withdrawals, there's no beginning or end to it anymore. A complete downward spiral.

I would stop the risperdal. My akathisia went away in 3.5 months or so. But it was hellish. Definitely caused by the paliperidone. I had zero benefits from an antipsychotic except for it stopping my drug i diced psychosis at the time.

Akathisia is hell, I'm sorry you're are suffering.

 

[idiotmother]

I would stop the risperdal. My akathisia went away in 3.5 months or so. But it was hellish. Definitely caused by the paliperidone. I had zero benefits from an antipsychotic except for it stopping my drug i diced psychosis at the time.

Akathisia is hell, I'm sorry you're are suffering.

I'm scared to stop it, as every time I decrease the dose I get a lot worse. Trying to see if there's something else I can take . I was in hospital and they gave me seroquel, which offered some improvements, but I got home and read about how dangerous it is so now I don't want to take it. I have klonopin that I take but I hate relying on it. If I get withdrawal from four days of seroquel I'll be very upset. Already in withdrawal..it's too confusing at this point. Did you just wait out your Akathisia or did you use something else to cope?

 

[Poiter1987]

I have taken seroquel for years with absolutely no issues. You shpuld he more worried about the risperdal in my opinion. I waited out the akathisia there is no help for that shit.

 

[Nightfoot]

Not the Biblical one, in literal terms. I think heaven and hell exist within us.

 

[DarkRange55]

 

[Emillss]

The acausal is where all evil goes and stays

 

[Zeir Anpin 729]

No. A lot of the New Testament is copied from Apuleius' Golden Ass. And as far as Satanism goes, Thelema and all the others where originally a Christian invention by François Rabelais.

Death is the return to nothingness. No information. No energy. No matter. Satanists discuss the acausal topology of death all the time. It has no form.

 

[lastsummer_yay]

If hell exists, then I'm disappointed. XD