Does anyone else think it's unfair for suicides to be sent to hell?

[Versailles]

The consequences of man-thought are incredibly limited in their perceptions. I take issue with having free will and then, all of sudden, there is no more? I'm thinking that is spiritual slavery, not freedom, in which case, I refuse to participate. Go ahead, make me. It'll be amusing.

There is also no such thing as free will exactly, as living beings, our instinct takes most of our control

 

[fox_wannabe]

Besides It only works on good, small people. I think It was Napoleon- "Religion is what keeps poor from killing the rich.

 

[LADY007]

I'm not a religious person but I don't rule out the possibility of there being something after death, considering all this I don't think it's fair that the person who commits suicide is condemned to eternity in hell, some people live in hell on Earth and even after death they will be doomed to more suffering? I can't find any logic in it

I choose not to believe in hell. People in dire situations would stay in that predicament out of fear and I don't feel God is that mean.

 

[Snake of Eden]

Well, what would reinforce that apart from our wishful thinking?
It is also based on idea of people having free choice, some people have no choice but to be a bad guy. We are privileged to live in society that does not force us to take law in our hands or to defend ourselves.
And what is good deed anyways. Some people do harm thinking they doing good. We want to think we do good while we may contribute to suffering of others.

Sometimes acts that we may think as sins or rude actions, cause others to suffer less. Like euthanizing dog with fatal disease, not feeding the beggars, giving people tough love instead of letting them repeat their mistakes.

There will always be good and bad actions even if they had a subjective quality that determines which is which. I think we can all agree on basics like the Hamourabi code stuff, the other things maybe less obvious but going into the rabbit hole of questioning if there is ever good or bad deed is not something worth indulging in imho

 

[Ta555]

Well, what would reinforce that apart from our wishful thinking?
It is also based on idea of people having free choice, some people have no choice but to be a bad guy. We are privileged to live in society that does not force us to take law in our hands or to defend ourselves.
And what is good deed anyways. Some people do harm thinking they doing good. We want to think we do good while we may contribute to suffering of others.

Sometimes acts that we may think as sins or rude actions, cause others to suffer less. Like euthanizing dog with fatal disease, not feeding the beggars, giving people tough love instead of letting them repeat their mistakes.

Like Shakespeare wrote: there is nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so.

Even taking a basic philosophy class in ethics one will see how quickly the idea of good and bad, right and wrong collapses.

I choose not to believe in hell. People in dire situations would stay in that predicament out of fear and I don't feel God is that mean.

I just don't feel there is a god. If there is one he's either not omnipotent or not omniscient and if he's both then he's sadistic. Why would he allow so much suffering? And I hate when fundamentalists roll out the 'He doesn't intervene because he gave you free will.' That argument has so many holes in it that I could write a whole essay on it. But suffice it to say, what does free will have to do with children getting cancer or being born with cerebral palsy? Wtf does free will have to do with things people have no control over. God could have created a universe where there is no disease but he didn't. Because there is not fucking god. Excuse my language, it is not aimed at anyone in particular I'm just extremely angry at how religion fucks up society and individuals.

 

[Lost Magic]

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[Snake of Eden]

Like Shakespeare wrote: there is nothing good or bad but thinking makes it so.

Even taking a basic philosophy class in ethics one will see how quickly the idea of good and bad, right and wrong collapses.

I just don't feel there is a god. If there is one he's either not omnipotent or not omniscient and if he's both then he's sadistic. Why would he allow so much suffering? And I hate when fundamentalists roll out the 'He doesn't intervene because he gave you free will.' That argument has so many holes in it that I could write a whole essay on it. But suffice it to say, what does free will have to do with children getting cancer or being born with cerebral palsy? Wtf does free will have to do with things people have no control over. God could have created a universe where there is no disease but he didn't. Because there is not fucking god. Excuse my language, it is not aimed at anyone in particular I'm just extremely angry at how religion fucks up society and individuals.

I relate to all you say but in all honesty as bad as religions may be they still come with alot of good. I dont think abolishing religions will solve anything tbh. As species we have been more secular then ever since inceptions of religion but we are most certainly also suffer from greatest injustices and inequality than ever. Religions have bad aspects to them but they are not why we suffer. There is a good reason why religions had stayed and are irreplaceable to some extent. I dont want to dismiss your grievance with religion and how it negatively is impacting you. Life will still suck without religion. Personally I find if I completely abandon any of my beliefs that I would go into a deeper state of depression, confusion and despair so religion cant be that bad for everyone like people make it out to be

 

[StarryStarry]

You only believe in heaven and hell if you've had religion shoved down your throat. Personally, I don't believe in heaven, hell or god. When I ctb my ashes will be thrown in the wind in the desert and I will be forever free and with my child.

 

[Onkyo74893]

God and religion are inventions of man. In all likelyhood, after someone dies, reguardless of cause, they simply return into the void from whence they came.

 

[Somber]

Why would you contemplate suicide if you believe in hell? Wasn't your existence being hell the reason you considered suicide to begin with?

People ought to be free to choose whatever religion they feel comfortable with. If you need a hell to keep you from doing morally evil things, by all means do believe in it.

However you don't need to be religious to do the right thing. This world we exist in can be amazingly beautiful; to those that are a part of it. Confrontationally so.

Also first post. Hi!

 

[LookieLou]

Well then I hope he didn't not describe hell.
Plus, even if there is a concept of afterlife, it sounds extremely hypocritical that "all forgiving God" would punish someone for killing themselves when God himself was the one to give him shitty life.

An all forgiving god is where I go,too, on days I believe in god. I think about it this way: if Gandhi went to heaven would god say nope, not a believer in jesus' blood being shed, you're out? Would god say that to Buddha's followers? I don't think so. I take that a step further, which sometimes makes people uncomfortable, and think that if god makes ANY exceptions then logically everyone gets a golden ticket. Even Jeffrey Dahlmer. Even hitler. Do we understand how god could do that? no. But we're not gods and so we can't imagine being so loving to let EVERYONE in.

I believe we're here to learn lessons in this life and to experience love. But some of us learn about bad things that can happen, or become ill. Should god accept us, too? We learned lessons, just not the ones we might have foreseen. I think those pearly gates are wide open, we're all welcomed and loved for the knowledge we gained while we were here.

 

[idiotstillwantstodie]

I'm not a religious person but I don't rule out the possibility of there being something after death, considering all this I don't think it's fair that the person who commits suicide is condemned to eternity in hell, some people live in hell on Earth and even after death they will be doomed to more suffering? I can't find any logic in it

No, it makes complete sense. Those sinful, sinful people thought they could avoid their daily dose of suffering. Were they wrong!

Welcome to hell!

 

[Of The Universe]

If God is real he should forgive the CTB people!!

 

[AnotherTragicName]

Even if most people here will not like it, there is a lot of sense in the concept of hell. I mean, it's obvious really.
Aswell as that suicide might bring you there. The damage you do to others is undeniable.

It's just a matter of if you believe it, want to believe it, like it/dislike it, and if you take responsibility for the effects this theoretical law might cause.


You do bad to others, your planet, even yourself, you get treated equally.
It's not even to be considered punishment. It shows you in the most real sense what you did to others, which are, in this way, yourself (because you will yourself experience it later).

What is one life, if the soul really lives for thousands and thousands of lifes?
A partical of dust.

So if this life is a living hell for you, this might be what christians consider to be hell. Literally.
So it might be the effect of what you caused before. The "punishment".
You don't wanna take it, you get punished again. So long, till you accept it and change.
Then it's time for your "reward".
Next (after-)life, you might find a place not as bad as this one. Depending on how "well" you did.

So, for suicide. If this theory is correct, you absolutely cannot run away from your karmic debt.
You avoid your duty? Next time it might hit you even harder - so it's even harder for your to avoid it.
In a sense, you could even argue that it works in your favour. Because it's about developing as a soul.

Developing to what?
If it's true, that the others are yourself, there is one element that can bring and hold us all together. Love.
And love is not just a feeling, one gets in lucky circumstances. Like, you love your children, your pet, or the right partner if you find him/her.
Love is something one does aswell. Consciously.
Sex is not for no reason described as "making love". A moment, in which one can bring oneanother into heaven for a moment.
Its about the intention and energy you treat others AND yourself.
Always letting the others go first, is not love. It's probably fear and low self esteem, therefore a behaviour that comes out of a lack of love.

You are harming a lot of people, when you decide to suicide.
Therefore, you harm yourself in many other lifes.
No wonder if it is considered to bring you to hell. You bring hell closer to this existence.


In german, the word for suicide is actually "Selbstmord", meaning "Self-Murder". In other words, you could consider it as a specific kind of murder, which will most agree, is a sin.


Maybe you don't believe that you got the fruits of your karma this life, because you are convinced of being a good person.
Have you ever been in a position of power?
How did you treat those, who were under your power?
Were you taking privileges, respect, sex, did you humiliate those under you, belitle them, did you think you were better then them?
It's said that power shows real character.
And I gotta say, I know that I can be a bloody asshole.
When I'm unhappy, I would be willing to do lots of things to come by. To get a bit of happiness.
And I'm convinced, every human being has a dark side, that comes out under specific circumstances.
But do you choose to live by it?
Or do you choose to live out of love?
I know mine. I'm guilty. So maybe, I have to step up and get my shit together as much as I can survive to with it.
Open my heart and carry it open.
Don't look for revenge, but focus on creating a life for myself, that I enjoy asmuch as possible at least.
When I'm moderatly happy, my parents will be happier.
My friends.
The people I see.
I can be bringing them joy or drag them down.


A read a story a couple of days ago. A yogi was talking to god, claming he was an asshole for creating so much suffering in this world.
He brought on the argument of lil' Yasmin. Yasmin is 17 years old. She was raped and beaten as a child, carried from one adoptive family to the next, being abused by her therapists, bullied in school, ending up starting a life as a junkie.
How could god allow such attrocities? Does he not have any merdy with this poor child?
God replied, that Yasmin chose such for herself. The last time she was incarnated has a human being was in the 1800s, she was some Emporer called Erwien Stollenburg, who raigned in a bloody manner over colonised Etheopia. In his gread for blooddiamonds, hundreds got killed, enslaved and tortured.
After his death, his karmic judges decided quickly, that he will experience what he created the next lifes.
When he gets reincarnated as a human being again, he will be granted free will, and get the chance to develop love.
If you just give it to him, he will take it for granted. Like he took those blooddiamands for granted. Those lifes. Those hearts.
He will not have learned a thing and become an asshole again when life isn't going the way he wants to.


I know that these words are not joyful to read for most people.
I'm not claiming to be true on this, eventhough I have my reasons to believe in the reality of karma and reincarnation (crosscultural comparison, personal reports from people I trust that can remember some of their past lifes, me having intense death/rebirth experiences on substances).
It's up to you what you make out of it.
Maybe, it can give some of you some comfort. For me, it does, because I know that all of this is not for nothing. It gives me a reason behind it all.


And a bloody reason to continue with some dignity when the fucking SI kicks in again. :p

 

[Snake of Eden]

Even if most people here will not like it, there is a lot of sense in the concept of hell. I mean, it's obvious really.
Aswell as that suicide might bring you there. The damage you do to others is undeniable.

It's just a matter of if you believe it, want to believe it, like it/dislike it, and if you take responsibility for the effects this theoretical law might cause.


You do bad to others, your planet, even yourself, you get treated equally.
It's not even to be considered punishment. It shows you in the most real sense what you did to others, which are, in this way, yourself (because you will yourself experience it later).

What is one life, if the soul really lives for thousands and thousands of lifes?
A partical of dust.

So if this life is a living hell for you, this might be what christians consider to be hell. Literally.
So it might be the effect of what you caused before. The "punishment".
You don't wanna take it, you get punished again. So long, till you accept it and change.
Then it's time for your "reward".
Next (after-)life, you might find a place not as bad as this one. Depending on how "well" you did.

So, for suicide. If this theory is correct, you absolutely cannot run away from your karmic debt.
You avoid your duty? Next time it might hit you even harder - so it's even harder for your to avoid it.
In a sense, you could even argue that it works in your favour. Because it's about developing as a soul.

Developing to what?
If it's true, that the others are yourself, there is one element that can bring and hold us all together. Love.
And love is not just a feeling, one gets in lucky circumstances. Like, you love your children, your pet, or the right partner if you find him/her.
Love is something one does aswell. Consciously.
Sex is not for no reason described as "making love". A moment, in which one can bring oneanother into heaven for a moment.
Its about the intention and energy you treat others AND yourself.
Always letting the others go first, is not love. It's probably fear and low self esteem, therefore a behaviour that comes out of a lack of love.

You are harming a lot of people, when you decide to suicide.
Therefore, you harm yourself in many other lifes.
No wonder if it is considered to bring you to hell. You bring hell closer to this existence.


In german, the word for suicide is actually "Selbstmord", meaning "Self-Murder". In other words, you could consider it as a specific kind of murder, which will most agree, is a sin.


Maybe you don't believe that you got the fruits of your karma this life, because you are convinced of being a good person.
Have you ever been in a position of power?
How did you treat those, who were under your power?
Were you taking privileges, respect, sex, did you humiliate those under you, belitle them, did you think you were better then them?
It's said that power shows real character.
And I gotta say, I know that I can be a bloody asshole.
When I'm unhappy, I would be willing to do lots of things to come by. To get a bit of happiness.
And I'm convinced, every human being has a dark side, that comes out under specific circumstances.
But do you choose to live by it?
Or do you choose to live out of love?
I know mine. I'm guilty. So maybe, I have to step up and get my shit together as much as I can survive to with it.
Open my heart and carry it open.
Don't look for revenge, but focus on creating a life for myself, that I enjoy asmuch as possible at least.
When I'm moderatly happy, my parents will be happier.
My friends.
The people I see.
I can be bringing them joy or drag them down.


A read a story a couple of days ago. A yogi was talking to god, claming he was an asshole for creating so much suffering in this world.
He brought on the argument of lil' Yasmin. Yasmin is 17 years old. She was raped and beaten as a child, carried from one adoptive family to the next, being abused by her therapists, bullied in school, ending up starting a life as a junkie.
How could god allow such attrocities? Does he not have any merdy with this poor child?
God replied, that Yasmin chose such for herself. The last time she was incarnated has a human being was in the 1800s, she was some Emporer called Erwien Stollenburg, who raigned in a bloody manner over colonised Etheopia. In his gread for blooddiamonds, hundreds got killed, enslaved and tortured.
After his death, his karmic judges decided quickly, that he will experience what he created the next lifes.
When he gets reincarnated as a human being again, he will be granted free will, and get the chance to develop love.
If you just give it to him, he will take it for granted. Like he took those blooddiamands for granted. Those lifes. Those hearts.
He will not have learned a thing and become an asshole again when life isn't going the way he wants to.


I know that these words are not joyful to read for most people.
I'm not claiming to be true on this, eventhough I have my reasons to believe in the reality of karma and reincarnation (crosscultural comparison, personal reports from people I trust that can remember some of their past lifes, me having intense death/rebirth experiences on substances).
It's up to you what you make out of it.
Maybe, it can give some of you some comfort. For me, it does, because I know that all of this is not for nothing. It gives me a reason behind it all.


And a bloody reason to continue with some dignity when the fucking SI kicks in again. :p

I actually happened to think there is a possibility that 1 year ago I died from drug overdosed and I woke up in an alternate time line where I survived to the overdose. I know it sounds crazy but before I passed out from the drug overdose I was certain that im going to die and then i fainted but I woke up. I got clean since and my life has turned around but I cant shake the possibility that I may have died in my older time line a year ago like it felt i was and then I am living in a purgatory now where I am given a chance to work on myself. Sometimes i dismiss that possibility but then I read on a subreddit about some similar concept i forgot whats it called exactly quantum something. People were talking about the idea that consciousness can never be annihilated and so when we hear people died because of accidents at such they only died in our timeline but to them their consciousness has travelled into another timeline universe where they survived. Although i realize the unlikelihood and absurdity of the idea but i cant help sometimes to wonder if that happened to me because again after I od'ed i was certain that i will die then i fainted but woke up later

 

[D&D]

I actually happened to think there is a possibility that 1 year ago I died from drug overdosed and I woke up in an alternate time line where I survived to the overdose. I know it sounds crazy but before I passed out from the drug overdose I was certain that im going to die and then i fainted but I woke up. I got clean since and my life has turned around but I cant shake the possibility that I may have died in my older time line a year ago like it felt i was and then I am living in a purgatory now where I am given a chance to work on myself. Sometimes i dismiss that possibility but then I read on a subreddit about some similar concept i forgot whats it called exactly quantum something. People were talking about the idea that consciousness can never be annihilated and so when we hear people died because of accidents at such they only died in our timeline but to them their consciousness has travelled into another timeline universe where they survived. Although i realize the unlikelihood and absurdity of the idea but i cant help sometimes to wonder if that happened to me because again after I od'ed i was certain that i will die then i fainted but woke up later

I have had a similar experience ... I am still not sure whether I will ever be able to put it to words but I too have been researching endlessly about. It is how I found website such as https://www.closertotruth.com/ and many others. I really like Michio Kaku and his 'river of time' -

 

[Snake of Eden]

I have had a similar experience ... I am still not sure whether I will ever be able to put it to words but I too have been researching endlessly about. It is how I found website such as https://www.closertotruth.com/ and many others. I really like Michio Kaku and his 'river of time' -

Im created a thread about this and maybe you could share your story there https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/alternative-timeline-multiuniverse.81230/

 

[Salkak]

An all forgiving god is where I go,too, on days I believe in god. I think about it this way: if Gandhi went to heaven would god say nope, not a believer in jesus' blood being shed, you're out? Would god say that to Buddha's followers? I don't think so. I take that a step further, which sometimes makes people uncomfortable, and think that if god makes ANY exceptions then logically everyone gets a golden ticket. Even Jeffrey Dahlmer. Even hitler. Do we understand how god could do that? no. But we're not gods and so we can't imagine being so loving to let EVERYONE in.

I believe we're here to learn lessons in this life and to experience love. But some of us learn about bad things that can happen, or become ill. Should god accept us, too? We learned lessons, just not the ones we might have foreseen. I think those pearly gates are wide open, we're all welcomed and loved for the knowledge we gained while we were here.

I kind of believe that too. After death everybody goes to the same place. Doesn't matter what their religion is. Although I don't believe in this concept of heaven and hell. But still even if there is something like that I don't think there'd be different heaven for every religion

 

[little helpers]

"it's unfair for suicidees to be sent to Hell."

is life fair, my friend?

 

[FogFilledLife]

Added to the bible because peasants would rather die to go to paradise than work for their lord. There has been brain's brought back in dogs but it's unknown if they're actually thinking.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

Who says suicides go to hell? Oh right, the insane religious 'authorities' who actually want it to be true. Nowhere is it stated in the Bible to be so, and if it was truly such a serious crime, I would think that it would be pretty explicit. According to believers, God loves everyone. If this is the case, then surely the taking of ones own life is not too great to understand. Suicide is simply one of the many outcomes we can end up with in this world. The offence is not against a deity/ creator, but against those in this world who cling to life and force others to do the same.

 

[lonerclown666]

I will be already in hell with CTB or not

 

[toforigivelife]

The notion that people who die by suicide are condemned to hell, as opposed to those who were horrible people but who died the "right" way, is just a scare tactic used to prevent people from ending their own lives.

I don't know if there is a heaven or a hell, I prefer to believe that there is nothing after death, but those who feel that they have experienced death and have had what are known as near death experiences have emphatically stated that there is no God waiting in the clouds to punish us, regardless of the circumstances surrounding our passing - just infinite love and understanding, for everyone.

Here are some thoughts from a woman who had a near death experience as a result of a suicide attempt and she returns to tell us that there is no special punishment for those who die by suicide.

Hope this helps.

 

[markimobzzdeasui]

No. It is unfair that the general public who never had to live the reality of the suicides,who cannot truly comprehend and respect their life conditions, who are consumed by their hypocrisy,narcissistic traits,selfishness and by almost a sadistic need to keep their illogical assumptions intact, create such wrong and inhumane fear about hell , eternal punishments and worse reincarnations and then forcefully feed to suicides others. It is absolutely atrocious and unfair imo.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

Guess I'm gonna be sent whether I ctb or not, so better avoid seventy years of inceldom on top of the eternal burning.

 

[Myforevercharlie]

You won't be send to hell.

I really believe people who end their own life will be surrounded with love, to finally learn how that feels.

 

[Amumu]

Imagine things are reversed and finally people who DON'T commit suicide are sent in hell lmao.
Why would it be more illogical than the other way around?

 

[Muse]

Hell is living and suffering all day long.

 

[eternalpeace]

I have never really understood why suicides would have to go to hell. I think the rationale is that life is a gift from God, and it is somehow ungrateful to try to return it? (I don't have a background in theology, so don't quote me on that!)

I am agnostic, and every once in awhile, I do wonder…what if the Catholics are right and I do end up in a pit of fire, wishing I hadn't killed myself?

If it is true, I would definitely find it unfair, but if there is a God and if I ever meet Him/Her/Them, I will have a lot of questions about all the other things that are unfair in the world too…

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Hell as a permanent place to be sent to for living anything less than a perfect life is what doesn't make any sense to me. I'm willing to accept there's a possibility of an omnipotent and omniscient creator or creators but if they truly are both those things then they should know that the show The Good Place already fixed the afterlife (by the end of the show) and made it perfect.

Eternal hellfire for any reason suicide or not is a stupid punishment because literally no human is capable of generating eternal suffering. No matter how bad anyone is, given enough infinite lifetimes and free from the many struggles of living they can eventually be redeemed just so their soul can be freed. Hell as we know it is a punishment that simply does not fit the crime since it leaves no room for rehabilitation. An all-knowing and perfect god should surely know that.