Does anyone else think it's unfair for suicides to be sent to hell?

[StevieNixs]

I'm not a religious person but I don't rule out the possibility of there being something after death, considering all this I don't think it's fair that the person who commits suicide is condemned to eternity in hell, some people live in hell on Earth and even after death they will be doomed to more suffering? I can't find any logic in it

Who says they go to Hell? Swedenborg didn't think so

 

[All Things Must Pass]

I choose not to believe...

Belief is not a choice. Wanting it to be true is not the same as thinking it to be true.

According to believers, God loves everyone.

According to believers, leaving someone quadriplegic and on a ventilator for the rest of their life is loving. There is no hate like Christian love.

If this is the case,

It isn't.

 

[Samsal112]

The notion that people who die by suicide are condemned to hell, as opposed to those who were horrible people but who died the "right" way, is just a scare tactic used to prevent people from ending their own lives.

I don't know if there is a heaven or a hell, I prefer to believe that there is nothing after death, but those who feel that they have experienced death and have had what are known as near death experiences have emphatically stated that there is no God waiting in the clouds to punish us, regardless of the circumstances surrounding our passing - just infinite love and understanding, for everyone.

Here are some thoughts from a woman who had a near death experience as a result of a suicide attempt and she returns to tell us that there is no special punishment for those who die by suicide.

Hope this helps.

It was really hard to hear her with the background noise. Do you know what she meant about having light in this world and not having light once you've committed suicide? I was also confused because I didn't hear her say that suicide attempts will be surrounded by love.

 

[O_oreo.]

Si, en mi opinion, cada vez que toco el tema en mi familia salen con cosas como: solo dios puede quitarte la vida, o, los suicidas van al infierno y vuelven al mundo a pagar o a repetir su sufrimiento, aun no se porque esta esa falta de empatia hacia las personas que si queremos morirnos, y aun peor la religión solo te hunde más.

 

[Feeding Pigeons]

I unironically just felt a little happier because of something.

I just realized if suicides do actually end up in hell? Least I'll get to hang out with some of you guys down the road. That ain't so bad!

 

[Samsal112]

For me, it's not just the Christian religion; it's any religion. Most religions if not all (I am not schooled on all) look down on suicide perhaps because it is the coward's way out. I really got scared about the after life when my little brother passed away a year ago. He was in the military and everyone kept using that stupid phrase about seeing him in Valhalla. It got me to thinking that if there is an afterlife, you probably get rewarded for bravery or for doing something with your life. I am afraid of what can happen to someone who lays in bed all day and hasn't shown an ounce of bravery or appreciation for this life.

 

[toforigivelife]

It was really hard to hear her with the background noise. Do you know what she meant about having light in this world and not having light once you've committed suicide? I was also confused because I didn't hear her say that suicide attempts will be surrounded by love.

She said that you find light on the other side but that there is also light in the mortal life, if you're able to find it.

A lot, or almost all, of near death experiencers have reported that they go through a dark place or even a distressing place during their experience but eventually find the light.

She was making the a comparison between crossing over and living a mortal life; on the other side if don't choose to remain in the dark or stay in a moment you will find the light and she feels the same can be said for this mortal life, don't get stuck in the dark keep seeking the light.

We on SS know it's not always that easy or that simple and that circumstances have a lot to with being able to find the light. Maybe she was mentally healthier when she made her attempt or maybe she had the right level of love, understanding and support after she made her attempt, maybe a combination of both.

Just about everyone who has had these experiences have stated that everyone - even the worst of the worst, with all due respect given to those who've been victimized by crime or who've lost a loved one to a criminal - that everyone is welcomed "home" regardless. It's just the process is going to be different for each individual.

Why wouldn't the same process apply to those who've never hurt anyone, who did their best to be a good person but who thought the best option for them was to end their life?

Thanks for reading my answer. I hope this woman sharing her experience was helpful to you.

 

[gr1lledcheese]

I'm not a religious person but I don't rule out the possibility of there being something after death, considering all this I don't think it's fair that the person who commits suicide is condemned to eternity in hell, some people live in hell on Earth and even after death they will be doomed to more suffering? I can't find any logic in it

Hell was invented by the church. We may never know the reason why. It could be because they needed an extra reason to give people so that they would convert.
I read somewhere that the reason Constantine made Christianity a legal religion was because he saw that Christians weren't afraid to die, and that made them good soldiers.
Perhaps that lack of fear of death also made people want to kill themselves, so the Church ruled that suicide would send a person to Hell in spite of their being saved.
Just my two cents.

 

[Samsal112]

She said that you find light on the other side but that there is also light in the mortal life, if you're able to find it.

A lot, or almost all, of near death experiencers have reported that they go through a dark place or even a distressing place during their experience but eventually find the light.

She was making the a comparison between crossing over and living a mortal life; on the other side if don't choose to remain in the dark or stay in a moment you will find the light and she feels the same can be said for this mortal life, don't get stuck in the dark keep seeking the light.

We on SS know it's not always that easy or that simple and that circumstances have a lot to with being able to find the light. Maybe she was mentally healthier when she made her attempt or maybe she had the right level of love, understanding and support after she made her attempt, maybe a combination of both.

Just about everyone who has had these experiences have stated that everyone - even the worst of the worst, with all due respect given to those who've been victimized by crime or who've lost a loved one to a criminal - that everyone is welcomed "home" regardless. It's just the process is going to be different for each individual.

Why wouldn't the same process apply to those who've never hurt anyone, who did their best to be a good person but who thought the best option for them was to end their life?

Thanks for reading my answer. I hope this woman sharing her experience was helpful to you.

Thank you for responding. This has helped my perspective.

 

[Circles]

A God that forces people to be born without consent and then has the audacity to send innocent people to hell for wanting to escape this life is somebody that you wouldn't want to be in heaven with anyway. God isn't worth worshipping to begin with if he wants to damn all his creations to hell all because humans sin which he created to begin with.

 

[LoveTakesManyForms]

I would think it were unfair, if I believed in Hell. But I don't; such a concept smacks of man's manipulation, rather than spirituality.
Religion has historically been used as a control mechanism by those in power to retain said power, and Hell is merely a part of said mechanism.
'Holy men' such as priests, bishops and the like would proclaim: "I am the messenger of God, therefore to defy me is to defy God, and to defy God is to be condemned to Hell and barred from Heaven.
So pay your tithes, pay your taxes, pay your rent, and do not revolt, lest you incur the wrath of God" (remember that there was no separation between church and state, so the church maintained control of the lion's share of land and resources).

Since there is no evidence to support the unrealistically horrific, horrendous plane of existence referred to as Hell, I therefore don't see a point in believing in it. Why buy into an unworthy idea of theoretical suffering?

And to believe that certain individuals should be sent there based on their behaviour, when they are but products of their lives as intended by a Creator (should such a being exist), would be to punish them for being the way they were made, which makes utterly no sense.
By this token God himself would be deserving of Hell, for their deeds are by extension his deeds.

The entire notion of Heaven and Hell to me is, frankly, nonsensical tripe. An attempt to make sense of a universe without explanation, with no more substance than any other theory.
I apologise if this offends the religious- may each enjoy their own beliefs. It is merely my take, until I can be convinced otherwise.
So far none fo the hundreds with whom I've discussed this topic has come even remotely close.

 

[LADY007]

Hell was invented by the church. We may never know the reason why. It could be because they needed an extra reason to give people so that they would convert.
I read somewhere that the reason Constantine made Christianity a legal religion was because he saw that Christians weren't afraid to die, and that made them good soldiers.
Perhaps that lack of fear of death also made people want to kill themselves, so the Church ruled that suicide would send a person to Hell in spite of their being saved.
Just my two cents.

I think man invented the whole hell scenario to control people. Control by fear as a way of getting people to treat each other well rather than compete and kill each other.

 

[gr1lledcheese]

I think man invented the whole hell scenario to control people. Control by fear as a way of getting people to treat each other well rather than compete and kill each other.

Control by fear- definitely! Not so sure about the "treating each other well" part.

 

[Nostalgic]

I was raised as a christian. But overtime I became agnostic. Now im an atheist. But I still go to church every Sunday. I still pray. Religion is essential for modern society. It teaches people the virtue of having good morals and principles. I am a good person because I choose to be and I want to be with all my heart. But I believe christianity is a blatant contradiction to reality. Not to talk about physics, thermodynamics, entropy, nuclear fusion, evolution, relativity, quantum mechanics. There is an abundance of evidence that directly disproves what is written in the genesis the first book of the bible. if people want to find out the truth. Only if people want to overcome their confirmation bias and find out the truth. The bible has a lot of lies or inaccurate information in it. But I don't want anyone to become atheists I think religion is a necessary for society. A society needs people with good virtues and morals. Too many bad eggs and society rots and collapses into chaos and destruction.


True detective quotes (food for thought) (But don't take it seriously its just a tv show)

Sunday School
"If the only thing keeping a person decent is the expectation of divine reward then, brother, that person is a piece of s***. And I'd like to get as many of them out in the open as possible. You gotta get together and tell yourself stories that violate every law of the universe just to get through the goddamn day? What's that say about your reality?"

Real Talk
"Death created time to grow the things that it would kill."

Dreamcatcher
"This is what im talking about. This is what I mean when I am talking about time and death and futility. To realize that all your life—you know, all your love, all your hate, all your memory, all your pain—it was all the same thing. It was all the same dream. A dream that you had inside a locked room. A dream about being a person. And like a lot of dreams there's a monster at the end of it."

Guilt
"Look everybody knows there is something wrong with them. They just don't know what it is. Everybody wants confession, everybody wants some cathartic narrative to explain it all, the guilty especially. Know that everybody is guilty."

Party Pooper
"It's all one ghetto, man. A giant gutter in outer space."

Nature vs. Nurture
"I think human consciousness, is a tragic misstep in evolution. We became too self-aware, nature created an aspect of nature separate from itself, we are creatures that should not exist by natural law. We are things that labor under the illusion of having a self; an accretion of sensory, experience and feeling, programmed with total assurance that we are each somebody, when in fact everybody is nobody. Maybe the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction, one last midnight - brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal."

"F*** this. F*** this world. Nice hook, Marty."


again don't take it seriously it just a tv show and not what I believe but food for thought. A different perspective to this debate.

 

[gottago222]

as a religious person i dont even believe it. you really think all those innocent children who commited went to hell? i think not

 

[motel rooms]

I was raised as a christian. But overtime I became agnostic. Now im an atheist. But I still go to church every Sunday. I still pray.

Who do you pray to if you're an atheist now?

 

[Nostalgic]

I don't like put myself in particular groups. I think that no one knows anything for sure, at the end of the day we could be wrong. Thats okay you can ignore me, sometimes I think that I am full of bs too. Pray to the universe brother, the unknown. Even though I don't necessarily believe I think a part of me still does. And a part of me doesn't believe at the same time, nuance. Or hopes I don't know.

I don't know everything. I could be wrong or I could be right. At the end of the day I am just a puny imperfect human that can't do shit, so maybe I hope there is something even though I don't believe there is. People let you down, even you will let yourself down. Choosing to believe in a higher power something bigger than me. Its a contradiction I know. I guess it gives me hope and the strength to keep on pressing even though I am pessimistic. Believe in something. life isn't black or white, atheist or theist. You can say that you don't know. But having good belief systems is a more healthy way to live. belief and truth are two different things. For me its important to have faith even though you may not necassarily believe in order to keep on going because otherwise what's the point. Nihilism sets in and then what's the point. Thats not a healthy way to live life.

Im strange. Im a weirdo like that. The concept of faith is important to me. How do you know if you begin walking down the street that your legs won't give out on you. Or you won't get mugged out on the streets. Or you won't lose all your money and all your wealth and be unable to pay your bills. I don't know if there is a higher power but I told myself I would bare witness. If there is a higher power okay, if there is not and everything is meaningless that's also okay. Irrespective of whether there is or not a God, faith is important. Because of how frail humans beings are we tend to like to believe in something stronger than ourselves, leaders or politicians or celebrities, no they are just human too, that when I eventually fail that something might come and pick me up and save me. Save me from myself. The demons in my head. Whether I know there is or not a god, I choose to believe and orient my life in that way. It gives me hope. I can't live this life all alone even though I might truly be all alone. It gives me hope to keep trying and hope is a dangerous thing.

So maybe theist, atheist, agnostic. Maybe I belong to all of those groups or none at all. But I lean more to the atheist side. A weird mixture. I hope that makes sense or maybe it doesn't. Theres a reason why I have so few friends. Ignore me.

Faith is the most important thing in this world. How can you do anything as a pathetic human without faith. But ultimately I think we are just software programs running on organic carbon based bodies. We are not our bodies but the software programs running on an advanced primates brain. Evolution is tricky like that. Because of this we are the premininet species on the planet. MacOs doesn't exist on a Mac computer it is its own separate entity that exists within the framework of the computer :(

if you believed in something so strongly and when you died all your life and all your belief was a lie wouldn't you wish you had known or would you want to live a life of ignorance. The possibility that all your life was just one big great illusion. When I look at the world I don't necessarily see God, I just see a series of random events happening one after the other. Everything can be explained rationally, only the things that we don't understand seem like magic. But we know there is no such thing as magic only unexplained phenomena.

I don't think anyone should be scared of going to hell. If someone gets sick and goes to the doctor and they recover. People will say its the grace of god that saved them. But they neglect the many years and decades, men and women who sacrificed their lives so we can have the science and technological that we have today. People use to believe that the earth is flat and the earth is at the centre of solar system. Ultimately time is the greatest teller of truth, when we die we will find out for ourselves. We are constrained by our own human nature, our own idiosyncrasies influence and distract our thinking. Compelled to breed and reproduce because it is written in our DNA. We avoid pain and seek pleasure and our governed by are instincts. Instincts we did not choose or have any control over. Our own behaviour is not always our own choice but is sometimes influenced by other factors. Free will is limited as human beings, we can't do whatever we want only what we can. We still need to try our best. I think that naturally I am an empathic and compassionate person. I hate to see people suffer it breaks my heart. But if I had problems with my brain that prevented from feeling empathy and compassion I would no doubteldy be a very different person. There are just things that you can't control. Technology gives us the impression that we are powerful potent beings. We manipulate other organisms DNA, subdue the environment for our purposes build big skyscrapers. But deep down we know we are not in control. With our frail soft bodies we are weak and sometimes we fail. A fit of fate can take it all away. God is a concept and idea that will never fail unlike our corrupt selves. A Concept, an idea we can rely on.

 

[RetroChaos]

It's like going to sleep. Nothing happens. That's it. I've made my peace with that fact

 

[Grant Me Death]

I'm already in some sort of hell. My eternal unconsciousness will be heaven in comparison.

 

[mathemagics]

G. K. Chesterton's Orthodoxy has a pretty interesting take on this topic. I don't remember much from it but you should check it out.

 

[StarryStarry]

Who says that suicides go to hell? Religious fanatics? I don't believe that there is a heaven and hell. I believe that when we die - it's over - there is no magic fairyland in the sky or some deep dark desperate place called hell. People who kill themselves are tormented souls - people who suffer from depression, PTSD and other mental disorders. If someone had diabetes and died - would they go to hell because they had diabetes? I think naught.

 

[Journeytoletgo]

Who says that suicides go to hell? Religious fanatics? I don't believe that there is a heaven and hell. I believe that when we die - it's over - there is no magic fairyland in the sky or some deep dark desperate place called hell. People who kill themselves are tormented souls - people who suffer from depression, PTSD and other mental disorders. If someone had diabetes and died - would they go to hell because they had diabetes? I think naught.

Exactly it makes no logical sense

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

'Holy men' such as priests, bishops and the like

I'm not sure if basing your beliefs on the actions of scammers and grifters is the best idea. Even some of the supposed Christian sects are obvious scams. See: megachurches, anyone on television, jet airplane owners, and etc.

 

[Rabhen]

I'm not a religious person but I don't rule out the possibility of there being something after death, considering all this I don't think it's fair that the person who commits suicide is condemned to eternity in hell, some people live in hell on Earth and even after death they will be doomed to more suffering? I can't find any logic in it

I used to always says I refused to go to heaven. Heaven is full of all the religitards that made my life a living hell and they are so not fun. I am going to hell where all the fun people and the party is. This life is the torture, hell is the after party.

What counts as an infinite evil? I think that someone cannot continuously justifiably be punished for any finite thing. Annihilation seems more justified. Would you rather get capital punishment or spend life in prison, let alone an eternity? Utility wise, the capital punishment option is better, both for the one who is punished and for the one who is doing the punishing imo.

What is normal for the spider is chaos for the fly.
Is the spider evil? Is the fly?
Is the fly a victim of some heinous act or simply a cog in the cycle life?
Is the spider an evil murderer or a victim of having to commit such acts to survive or simply part of natural life and evolution?
Where does the concept of good and evil come from, outside or inside of ones own self?
What is evil for you may be common place to another and what is common place for you may be pure evil to another.

 

[Kristicide]

I don't believe we will.

 

[Looooser]

I'm not a religious person but I don't rule out the possibility of there being something after death, considering all this I don't think it's fair that the person who commits suicide is condemned to eternity in hell, some people live in hell on Earth and even after death they will be doomed to more suffering? I can't find any logic in it

Didn't Jesus die for all man's sins? If you believe it that sort of thing. There is a movie called 'What Dreams May Come' staring Robin Williams that has an interesting take on the subject. Good movie, will make you cry!

 

[Someone123]

Nah. Even Jesus kinda committed suicide. He predicted his death like 3 times and didn't do shit about it.

"Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the twelve disciples aside and said to them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified.", and he still went to Jerusalem.

It seems to me the only logical course of action is suicide by cop

Suicide by cop is a method some people seriously suggest, but there are cases I have read of where people try this and they get shot and knocked down and captured but they don't ctb and they get a long prison sentence- it's way too risky of something like this happening in my opinoin. (Another consideration is that it can give ptsd to the cop.)

 

[Puppy]

I personally don't believe people who commit suicide go to hell cause of it because I don't think and I hope God wouldn't punish someone for suffering to the point of suicide

 

[UseItOrLoseIt]

I personally don't believe people who commit suicide go to hell cause of it because I don't think and I hope God wouldn't punish someone for suffering to the point of suicide

I was just kidding. That's a horrible strategy.

 

[OldDrummer]

As someone originally raised Catholic, I turned atheist as 12. Since my 20's, I became a Buddhist and remained an atheist.

The concept of Hell is used as the 'stick' portion of the "carrot-and-stick" formulae of Western Christian religions. I've always considered it a device used to ensure that members self-police. Without consequences, why should people fear their bad actions? The whole concept of Christianity would collapse without the concept of Hell.

I do believe that there are various levels of existence. It's all about karma and intention. If you ctb yourself with the sole intention of hurting others, then I think that you're destined for a dark place.

But if you do it with the intention of ending an insufferable pain, then all will be good as long as you consider, and are mindful of, the pain that your act will have on others.