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I'm not a religious person but I don't rule out the possibility of there being something after death, considering all this I don't think it's fair that the person who commits suicide is condemned to eternity in hell, some people live in hell on Earth and even after death they will be doomed to more suffering? I can't find any logic in it
 
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I'm not a religious person but I don't rule out the possibility of there being something after death, considering all this I don't think it's fair that the person who commits suicide is condemned to eternity in hell, some people live in hell on Earth and even after death they will be doomed to more suffering? I can't find any logic in it
You know what hell is? Hell is continuing this life. All your previous suffering - just continued. Who knows. Maybe we have succeeded in our attempts, but this is hell so we don't think we're dead.
 
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If I misspell a word I apologize in advance, English is not my native language
 
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We're already in hell
 
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There's no logic behind the concept of hell in the first place.
 
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Up to everyone to believe what they want, personally I highly doubt that because you had committed suicide you will go to hell, the only reason to go there is if you had been a piece of shit most of your life and that's all no matter what a book written by humans says, like we don't even know if that shit truly exist in the first place and ain't gonna happen until we dead so 🤷🏽‍♀️

I believe in purgatory, hell on earth, actual hell, perhaps heaven but not the bullshit people try to feed themselves with but definitely different dimensions.
 
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The only hell is being alive and suffering.
 
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Even if there was a hell, I see no logical reason why suicidal people would be sent there.
 
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Some of what stops me from killing myself is my religion/spirituality.

I saw the 'white light' once, and it was very peaceful. I forced myself to breathe as I didn't think I was really ready to go. I worry sometimes that God or at least one deity showed me eternal peace and I spat in it. But I don't know if I believe in eternal torment for anyone, or that there is any true God that would let such a thing happen.

Against the grain of this website largely I do think there is a reason I'm here. And it's hard to fully commit sometimes when you don't know if you're going to Hell or not.
 
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I saw the 'white light' once, and it was very peaceful. I forced myself to breathe as I didn't think I was really ready to go.

Did you try to ctb by holding your breath? Sorry, I couldn't resist. :ahhha:
 
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I do think after life hell could exist. I have major troubles with some of the reasons why people go to hell including suiciders and also eternity. Mind you i think there are people that deserve to go to hell thats why I believe it should exist because justice can never be attained in this realm of existence. But again it could be my religious brainwahed upbringing thinking. I cant really separate my own thoughts from what I grow up believing in because it shaped my world view my oculus periphery
 
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I'm not a religious person but I don't rule out the possibility of there being something after death, considering all this I don't think it's fair that the person who commits suicide is condemned to eternity in hell, some people live in hell on Earth and even after death they will be doomed to more suffering? I can't find any logic in it
TLDR: you don't have anything to worry about, because like you said there's no logic in it.

There's many different religious conceptions of the afterlife, but I think that eternal torment is not one to worry about too much. If God is morally neutral, then God probably doesn't care about the affairs of humans that much anyways. If God is perfectly loving, then it is extremely unexpected that eternal torment would even exist at all. An evil God cannot exist because being evil is ontologically inferior to its alternatives. If by chance the Christian God exists, I think it's safe to say that unbelievers will likely just cease to exist. Conditional immortality is the most supported view, because the concept eternal torment hardly shows up much in the Bible anyways. If hell is really eternal separation from God, as is commonly taught, then that means you must cease to exist since God is omnipresent (the only way to be separated from God is to not exist). And then there's universal reconciliation, where after a short period of punishment for some people (cleansing of sins) everyone eventually goes to heaven. Only an evil God would have something to gain from allowing people to be tormented eternally, and like I said an evil God probably does not exist.
 
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Where did you learn that?
Alexander Pruss' article in The Blackwell Companion to Natural Theology. It's a challenging book, so I wouldn't recommend it if you haven't studied much philosophy before. Anyways, the idea is that if God is a necessary being then it must have every objective perfection, since to not have a certain perfection is arbitrary and therefore God wouldn't be necessary (and that leads to a contradiction). If morals are objective, then God has perfect morals. On the other hand, if you want to argue (as I would) that morals are not objective, then God is morally neutral. If God is morally neutral, then God likely has no interest in doing good or harm just for the sake of gaining personal pleasure.
 
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No, you said it can't exist.
Sure, but I think that God isn't something we can comprehend fully so I'm not saying it's entirely impossible. I'm just offering a reason as to why it doesn't seem to make sense.
 
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And then there's universal reconciliation, where after a short period of punishment for some people (cleansing of sins) everyone eventually goes to heaven. Only an evil God would have something to gain from allowing people to be tormented eternally, and like I said an evil God probably does not exist.
This exists in Islam too. I heard some possible explanations about why eternal torment exist. I dont think there is any specification in Islam that suiciders spend eternity in hell but there are mentions in oral tradition about suiciders being in a loop where they repeat their suicide act. I am yet to see any good explanation of why and how eternal torment is justified. If you ask me there are some really wicked people that no one will feel sorry for if they spend eternity in hell. Why cant a loving god punish such a wicked person with eternity in hell. Like Hitler, who cares?!? Then again I also understand the point of view that eternity is too much. So I am torn between two ideas
 
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I'm not a religious person but I don't rule out the possibility of there being something after death, considering all this I don't think it's fair that the person who commits suicide is condemned to eternity in hell, some people live in hell on Earth and even after death they will be doomed to more suffering? I can't find any logic in it
imo there is no hell, no afterlife, no reincarnation.

Evolution says humans are animals. Animals evolved from simpler organisms that are basically machines.

The DNA molecule and it's supporting RNA machines developed by chance from nucleic acids. Nucleic acids form naturally in the universe and have even been found in space.

 
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This exists in Islam too. I heard some possible explanations about why eternal torment exist. I dont think there is any specification in Islam that suiciders spend eternity in hell but there are mentions in oral tradition about suiciders being in a loop where they repeat their suicide act. I am yet to see any good explanation of why and how eternal torment is justified. If you ask me there are some really wicked people that no one will feel sorry for if they spend eternity in hell. Why cant a loving god punish such a wicked person with eternity in hell. Like Hitler, who cares?!? Then again I also understand the point of view that eternity is too much. So I am torn between two ideas
There is no action in particular to justify being given eternal torment. At some point the punishment becomes excessive, so nothing is gained from it. Romans 6:23 in particular supports the view conditional immortality, and ultimately I think would be the most fair form of punishment if the Christian God exists (although I'm not a Christian myself). However, I don't know much about Islam, so I'm not going to comment on that aspect.
 
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I struggle with that alot.

You gonna have 2 read Alexander Pruss' article in The Blackwell Companion to Natural Theology. It's a challenging book, but all da secrets gonna be revealed to ya when u finish it. :))
 
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I really like many things about my religion I am not going to lie but I also have many problems with some aspects of it. I cant agree with many things in it because it is does not make alot of sense within its larger framework.
 
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Hell or heaven is a man made concept. Nobody knows what happens after death. Hence you can't be sure that people who kill themselves go to hell. Even people who've had near death experience don't know what is after death because they were near death but not dead. Thinking about hell gives me anxiety so for now choose to believe in nothingness. Even if there is hell, that's a problem for "dead" Me.
 
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There is no action in particular to justify being given eternal torment.
Should it be only about action though. You dont think there are rotten to the core people with such an ugly self that they deserve eternal torment. How about people who wouldnt mind living forever if they given the chance by exploiting other people for hell like conditions for erernity. You see what I am saying. I am struggling with concept of hellish eternity too but i still think some people are so wicked to deserve it even if they are actions were limited by the limitation of finite human life span but should these evil people recieve limited punishement only because they were not capable of living infinite lifespans to even do infinite evil action. You see what im trying to say here?
 
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Should it be only about action though. You dont think there are rotten to the core people with such an ugly self that they deserve eternal torment. How about people who wouldnt mind living forever if they given the chance by exploiting other people for hell like conditions for erernity. You see what I am saying. I am struggling with concept of hellish eternity too but i still think some people are so wicked to deserve it even if they are actions were limited by the limitation of finite human life span but should these evil people recieve punishement only because they were not capable of living infinite lifespans to even do infinite evil action. You see what im trying to say here?
What counts as an infinite evil? I think that someone cannot continuously justifiably be punished for any finite thing. Annihilation seems more justified. Would you rather get capital punishment or spend life in prison, let alone an eternity? Utility wise, the capital punishment option is better, both for the one who is punished and for the one who is doing the punishing imo.
 
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Hell or heaven is a man made concept. Nobody knows what happens after death. Hence you can't be sure that people who kill themselves go to hell. Even people who've had near death experience don't know what is after death because they were near death but not dead. Thinking about hell gives me anxiety so for now choose to believe in nothingness. Even if there is hell, that's a problem for "dead" Me.
There were documented near-death experiences where the person was completely brain-dead and had no pulse or anything. I think that some of them are made up, since there are many different near-death experiences that contradict one another. But there are some cases in which the patient describes floating out of their body and is able to accurately depict things that happened while they were clinically dead. Those seem impossible to describe naturalistically, so the only alternative is to say that those were made up too.
 
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There were documented near-death experiences where the person was completely brain-dead and had no pulse or anything. I think that some of them are made up, since there are many different near-death experiences that contradict one another. But there are some cases in which the patient describes floating out of their body and is able to accurately depict things that happened while they were clinically dead. Those seem impossible to describe naturalistically, so the only alternative is to say that those were made up too.
Well then I hope he didn't not describe hell.
Plus, even if there is a concept of afterlife, it sounds extremely hypocritical that "all forgiving God" would punish someone for killing themselves when God himself was the one to give him shitty life.
 
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There were documented near-death experiences where the person was completely brain-dead and had no pulse or anything. I think that some of them are made up,
You believe it's possible to bring a completely dead brain back to life? :sunglasses:
 

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