Sinkinshyp
Paragon
- Sep 7, 2020
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I was replying to a post and was about to go off on a long posting there. So instead of doing that I have decided to make a new thread.
I've seen a few youtube documentaries on doc assisted/approved for many reasons. I started watching them after my respiratory failure in 2013. If I lived out a natural life there is good chance at a young age 50's I will be in this body struggling so hard to breathe. Having come back from respiratory failure and life support I didn't have the strength to bring the cup of ice chips to my lips. My arm was shaking like my 2nd step dad who had parkinsons. I was sooo thirsty though. Trying to breathe just turning over in bed was like trying to run a marathon for 1000 miles non stop. I don't want my daily life to be that experience 24/7. Should I live out a natural life due to my choice to abuse my lungs smoking since I was 13 has caused very advanced for age emphysema. I've had several scares that I was heading into respiratory failure again. I chain smoke and avoid my inhalers, nebulizer meds and steroids to try to push myself back into respiratory failure since my son died.. yeah slow suicide but in the end my family wont see it as true suicide. My lungs used to go into an exacerbation when I was stressed I have no idea why they haven't failed since my son died.
Than I saw some youtube vids on assisted for being depressed. My son was still alive and I watched one about an older woman 60's 70's cant say for sure probably 2014 or so. Her 1 daughter died and she had 1 living. She was in so much pain she wanted to join her daughter in her afterlife. I think it was a dignitas one if it wasn't it was Switzerland for sure though. She had been given approval for mental anguish and it being irreversible. She drank her cup, laid back in that bed, ate a chocolate and had this HUGE smile.. I remember watching it and thinking you still have a daughter how can you do that? I now relate so much with this woman. I have tried to find this video so my family mom bro sis in law can watch it and try to understand. I am unable to find it now. Recently a young girl in her 20's was approved due to her struggles and nothing has provided her any relief.
I believe in the future doc assisted for many reason will become options. It has come along way in the last 20 years. The process might be longer than some would want to wait out but not as long as what is in place currently. I think it shouldn't be walk into a clinic to not walk out. It can be abused for many reasons- organ harvesting, if someone is viewed as some sort of burden on society for example living on welfare or not having a substantial income, some sick individuals would get a legal thrill doing it serial killers hiding behind a law and doctor title, to get rid of someone whose views are different than yours and it goes on and on. It should be something thats a process and involve more than 1 doctor to get approved. Maybe a 3 doctor approval- 1 would need to be a psychiatrist. For CTB they should look at everything thats been tried and is not working has not worked. Prior therapists, psychiatrists, meds, hospitalizations etc the paper trail of tried and doesn't work for that person. That way it's proven there isn't a possible way to find value in life. Even if their past history is like me 30 yrs ago in and out of psych as a teenager now back to feeling that desire more than I did back than to go. Everything should be taken into account tried and did not work. Maybe they will need to see a therapist for 6 months before they are approved. If they have the availability to talk quite blank with a doc without fear of being locked up they can find some help and they might not CTB but it will also show this person has participated and it is not working and they will receive approval. If we had a guaranteed peaceful assisted exit I am sure many wont mind going through a 6 months process to get approved.
20 years ago Dr Kevorkian. Replying to that post I was trying to find when Kevorkian assisted people. I found an article from April 2020 in regards to Kevorkian and how now doc assisted is legal in many places due to his actions. I will be copying and pasting some parts of this article. Prior to Kevorkian I don't think any doctor made such an impact and helped change laws to assist people. Since Kevorkian assisted has become legal and an option for many. I do think in the future it will become more readily available. Here is some parts of the article I think we may find helpful. Is it something we may see in our time here- no probably not. Unless someone is like me and finds something to give a reason to continue- I did for my son and I do not regret it. Cancer at 18 also showed me also maybe I wasn't really ready to go as well.
" Now, a mere 20 years later, lethal-injection euthanasia is legal and popular in Belgium, Canada, Colombia, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands. Doctor-assisted suicide is legal in Germany, Switzerland, the Australian states of Victoria and Western Australia, and nine U.S. states and the District of Columbia. Pressure to legalize euthanasia is increasing in Australia, France, India, Italy, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, and the United Kingdom"
" Kevorkian believed that access to assisted suicide and euthanasia is a fundamental human right that should be available to any competent person wanting to die. Canada's Supreme Court has partially agreed. In 2015 it established a right to "medical assistance in dying (MAID)," as it is euphemistically called, for all competent patients with a medically diagnosed condition that causes "irremediable suffering," including "psychological pain." An Ontario court has ruled that this right to be killed is fundamental and that it trumps Canada's Charter right of "freedom of religion and conscience." Under the province's rules of medical ethics, physicians who by religion or conscience are opposed to lethally injecting a sick patient must do so anyway or refer the patient to a doctor they know is willing to. If they don't want to be complicit in such deaths, the court sniffed, they should get out of medicine. "
"The Federal Constitutional Court in Germany recently ruled that such death on demand is a right. From the decision (my emphasis):
Now I will say I don't agree with all of Kevorkians reasoning. He was about selling organs and horrible testing on people prior to their death as a way to learn about certain process during the final moments. I can say Kevorkian opened that door to doc assisted/approved and it has come along way since 1998. It still has a long way to go but laws are changing really fast about doc assisted. Society needs to learn just because someone does not have end stage cancer doesn't mean their life isn't equally painful and the only relief is to cease to exist. Society needs to learn mental anguish a lot of times cannot be cured or fixed. There are some things a pill cannot fix. It is a very painful existence sometimes more so because people cannot understand just how sick ( I hate to say it that way but for lack of way to compare to cancer or other deadly disease) we truly are. I think sometimes it's worse because people don't know how to relate, show compassion and be there for us in the same manner they would if we had end stage disease.
opinions? thoughts? I don't know about the laws of other countries so I do not know how accurate this article truly is. It was from April 2020 so it is a recent article. It was just to show Kevorkian opened a door and it's been a growing process thats steadily gaining speed.
I've seen a few youtube documentaries on doc assisted/approved for many reasons. I started watching them after my respiratory failure in 2013. If I lived out a natural life there is good chance at a young age 50's I will be in this body struggling so hard to breathe. Having come back from respiratory failure and life support I didn't have the strength to bring the cup of ice chips to my lips. My arm was shaking like my 2nd step dad who had parkinsons. I was sooo thirsty though. Trying to breathe just turning over in bed was like trying to run a marathon for 1000 miles non stop. I don't want my daily life to be that experience 24/7. Should I live out a natural life due to my choice to abuse my lungs smoking since I was 13 has caused very advanced for age emphysema. I've had several scares that I was heading into respiratory failure again. I chain smoke and avoid my inhalers, nebulizer meds and steroids to try to push myself back into respiratory failure since my son died.. yeah slow suicide but in the end my family wont see it as true suicide. My lungs used to go into an exacerbation when I was stressed I have no idea why they haven't failed since my son died.
Than I saw some youtube vids on assisted for being depressed. My son was still alive and I watched one about an older woman 60's 70's cant say for sure probably 2014 or so. Her 1 daughter died and she had 1 living. She was in so much pain she wanted to join her daughter in her afterlife. I think it was a dignitas one if it wasn't it was Switzerland for sure though. She had been given approval for mental anguish and it being irreversible. She drank her cup, laid back in that bed, ate a chocolate and had this HUGE smile.. I remember watching it and thinking you still have a daughter how can you do that? I now relate so much with this woman. I have tried to find this video so my family mom bro sis in law can watch it and try to understand. I am unable to find it now. Recently a young girl in her 20's was approved due to her struggles and nothing has provided her any relief.
I believe in the future doc assisted for many reason will become options. It has come along way in the last 20 years. The process might be longer than some would want to wait out but not as long as what is in place currently. I think it shouldn't be walk into a clinic to not walk out. It can be abused for many reasons- organ harvesting, if someone is viewed as some sort of burden on society for example living on welfare or not having a substantial income, some sick individuals would get a legal thrill doing it serial killers hiding behind a law and doctor title, to get rid of someone whose views are different than yours and it goes on and on. It should be something thats a process and involve more than 1 doctor to get approved. Maybe a 3 doctor approval- 1 would need to be a psychiatrist. For CTB they should look at everything thats been tried and is not working has not worked. Prior therapists, psychiatrists, meds, hospitalizations etc the paper trail of tried and doesn't work for that person. That way it's proven there isn't a possible way to find value in life. Even if their past history is like me 30 yrs ago in and out of psych as a teenager now back to feeling that desire more than I did back than to go. Everything should be taken into account tried and did not work. Maybe they will need to see a therapist for 6 months before they are approved. If they have the availability to talk quite blank with a doc without fear of being locked up they can find some help and they might not CTB but it will also show this person has participated and it is not working and they will receive approval. If we had a guaranteed peaceful assisted exit I am sure many wont mind going through a 6 months process to get approved.
20 years ago Dr Kevorkian. Replying to that post I was trying to find when Kevorkian assisted people. I found an article from April 2020 in regards to Kevorkian and how now doc assisted is legal in many places due to his actions. I will be copying and pasting some parts of this article. Prior to Kevorkian I don't think any doctor made such an impact and helped change laws to assist people. Since Kevorkian assisted has become legal and an option for many. I do think in the future it will become more readily available. Here is some parts of the article I think we may find helpful. Is it something we may see in our time here- no probably not. Unless someone is like me and finds something to give a reason to continue- I did for my son and I do not regret it. Cancer at 18 also showed me also maybe I wasn't really ready to go as well.
" Now, a mere 20 years later, lethal-injection euthanasia is legal and popular in Belgium, Canada, Colombia, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands. Doctor-assisted suicide is legal in Germany, Switzerland, the Australian states of Victoria and Western Australia, and nine U.S. states and the District of Columbia. Pressure to legalize euthanasia is increasing in Australia, France, India, Italy, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, and the United Kingdom"
" Kevorkian believed that access to assisted suicide and euthanasia is a fundamental human right that should be available to any competent person wanting to die. Canada's Supreme Court has partially agreed. In 2015 it established a right to "medical assistance in dying (MAID)," as it is euphemistically called, for all competent patients with a medically diagnosed condition that causes "irremediable suffering," including "psychological pain." An Ontario court has ruled that this right to be killed is fundamental and that it trumps Canada's Charter right of "freedom of religion and conscience." Under the province's rules of medical ethics, physicians who by religion or conscience are opposed to lethally injecting a sick patient must do so anyway or refer the patient to a doctor they know is willing to. If they don't want to be complicit in such deaths, the court sniffed, they should get out of medicine. "
"The Federal Constitutional Court in Germany recently ruled that such death on demand is a right. From the decision (my emphasis):
Kevorkian, too, thought that individuals should have a right to assisted suicide and that the decision should not belong only to medical professionals who would assist in the act. True to his vision, the German court has ruled that not only do citizens have a fundamental right to commit suicide or to be assisted in their suicide but that others have a concomitant right to assist."
Now I will say I don't agree with all of Kevorkians reasoning. He was about selling organs and horrible testing on people prior to their death as a way to learn about certain process during the final moments. I can say Kevorkian opened that door to doc assisted/approved and it has come along way since 1998. It still has a long way to go but laws are changing really fast about doc assisted. Society needs to learn just because someone does not have end stage cancer doesn't mean their life isn't equally painful and the only relief is to cease to exist. Society needs to learn mental anguish a lot of times cannot be cured or fixed. There are some things a pill cannot fix. It is a very painful existence sometimes more so because people cannot understand just how sick ( I hate to say it that way but for lack of way to compare to cancer or other deadly disease) we truly are. I think sometimes it's worse because people don't know how to relate, show compassion and be there for us in the same manner they would if we had end stage disease.
opinions? thoughts? I don't know about the laws of other countries so I do not know how accurate this article truly is. It was from April 2020 so it is a recent article. It was just to show Kevorkian opened a door and it's been a growing process thats steadily gaining speed.
