Im not sure honestly, i think everyone has the right to decide for themselves at which point they want to end their life
waqs
my meaningless existence
- Sep 9, 2025
- 11
no, but i do understand where that view point comes from. some people would call you selfish for taking yourself when people depend on you, but i think that viewpoint in itself is selfish. people should not be forced to live a life of misery just because others want you to, and forcing them to live a life they hate via things like guilt-tripping and such is very selfish even if they think they are doing the right thing.
qwert3948
Student
- Apr 24, 2023
- 113
i think it's more egoistical to not let a person that is >suffering so much they want to die< die because you're worried about your own feelings
i dont think suicide itself is egoistical
i dont think suicide itself is egoistical
58Alice85
Autogynephile
- Aug 31, 2025
- 160
I guess you'll have to do some arithmetic
do i love this person enough to keep on living vs the reasons you want to kill yourself and so on
if they love you so much they should propose you kill yourselves together
(they kill themselves for you)
do i love this person enough to keep on living vs the reasons you want to kill yourself and so on
if they love you so much they should propose you kill yourselves together
(they kill themselves for you)
I will be seen as incredibly selfish, cowardly and horrible but I'm also suffering so much. No one can possibly comprehend the level of hell I'm enduring day in and day out. I feel so much guilt for my loved ones but I can't keep fighting this. Damaged brain from psych meds and it keeps getting worse. Cursed.
I see where they're coming from but no I think we all have autonomy over our own bodies ultimately. It's more selfish to want a person to be suffering with no possible relief, just because you want them to stay here
Britney Spears
toxic
- Jan 4, 2025
- 543
Selfish, the damage they've done to me, damn vulture psychiatrists, family, and all that.
Sons of bitches. Rot, and I'll leave a note for the damage they've caused me. If such a thing exists, I'll be in hell to screw them over
They screwed me over more, I won't forgive them even in death
They just want to see me suffer, I live at all costs
Furthermore, opting for violence methods is unforgivable
Sons of bitches. Rot, and I'll leave a note for the damage they've caused me. If such a thing exists, I'll be in hell to screw them over
They screwed me over more, I won't forgive them even in death
They just want to see me suffer, I live at all costs
Furthermore, opting for violence methods is unforgivable
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LighthouseHermit
Giver of Hugs
- Sep 20, 2025
- 147
PI3.14
what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider
- Oct 4, 2024
- 326
But then, were we bred here to serve? They'd prefer us not to see it like that. They'd rather us believe they did it for our own good. That they gave us the gift of autonomy and freedom to live life as we want to. Except- it doesn't really work out like that when it comes down to it.
You can't really expect to give a being a sense of freedom and promote individualism but then, withdraw it the moment they make a decision you don't agree with!
I'd argue- it's far more egotistical to create a replica of yourself- knowing it will be sentient, knowing it will suffer in certain ways because- why? They wanted to experience parenthood? They wanted to be loved and needed. They wanted to bring meaning to their own lives? They wanted to f*ck?
How fair is it to use something sentient to fulfil their own needs? And then, deny them a way out if they insist they are in pain? That sounds far more unfair to me. That said, of course we should consider what affect it may have on others.
I suppose I don't exactly see suicide as egotistical though. I think most people who suicide are desperate to escape suffering. Much of the time, some suicidal people are wracked with guilt thinking about what it might do to others.
I've had ideation for 35 years- to varying degrees. The major reason I'm still here is so as not to upset the only loved one that's left. I wonder how long my parents thought about it before they had me though. I wonder if it even passed through their brains the (almost inevitable) ways I would suffer. Either they didn't bother to consider it or, they didn't care.
They were fine with me experiencing their death. My Mum died 3 years after my birth. Why are we even expected to spare them that pain when they actually intend for us to go through it? That's kind of hypocritical- no? To even expect that of us.
If a (wrongly convicted) prisoner knows their escape could lead to their guards being punished- should they feel obliged to stay put? It may not be that particular guards fault that they have been imprisoned but, they are part of the system that harms them. Do they owe it to them to accept the (wrongful) punishment? Surely not. We'd pretty much expect them to escape if they could- no matter the consequences. Because it's an injustice effectively.
So- that seems like a reasonable and just thing to ask: Is the world just? Is it fair to bring a sentient being here and assume they will (either or both): Have a fair life? Have reasonable health and constitution to cope with their life? The answer is obviously: It's extremely random. We can't accurately predict what good or harm will befall a person so obviously- we shouldn't enforce an idea that they need to stay- no matter what. And that a bid for freedom is some deliberate slight on society. It really isn't primarily I would say. Most of the time, I think it's simply an escape with unfortunate consequences.
Where my feelings differ though is if it's a parent. In which case, they have chosen to bring life here- that's vulnerable and dependent on them. That's such a massive responsibility to take on and I don't think those duties should be abandoned lightly. I guess it does come down to individual circumstances ultimately but, I think the act of creating dependents here should have included an unwavering commitment to them. That comes from the experience of losing a parent myself though really. So, I do have a bias there.
You can't really expect to give a being a sense of freedom and promote individualism but then, withdraw it the moment they make a decision you don't agree with!
I'd argue- it's far more egotistical to create a replica of yourself- knowing it will be sentient, knowing it will suffer in certain ways because- why? They wanted to experience parenthood? They wanted to be loved and needed. They wanted to bring meaning to their own lives? They wanted to f*ck?
How fair is it to use something sentient to fulfil their own needs? And then, deny them a way out if they insist they are in pain? That sounds far more unfair to me. That said, of course we should consider what affect it may have on others.
I suppose I don't exactly see suicide as egotistical though. I think most people who suicide are desperate to escape suffering. Much of the time, some suicidal people are wracked with guilt thinking about what it might do to others.
I've had ideation for 35 years- to varying degrees. The major reason I'm still here is so as not to upset the only loved one that's left. I wonder how long my parents thought about it before they had me though. I wonder if it even passed through their brains the (almost inevitable) ways I would suffer. Either they didn't bother to consider it or, they didn't care.
They were fine with me experiencing their death. My Mum died 3 years after my birth. Why are we even expected to spare them that pain when they actually intend for us to go through it? That's kind of hypocritical- no? To even expect that of us.
If a (wrongly convicted) prisoner knows their escape could lead to their guards being punished- should they feel obliged to stay put? It may not be that particular guards fault that they have been imprisoned but, they are part of the system that harms them. Do they owe it to them to accept the (wrongful) punishment? Surely not. We'd pretty much expect them to escape if they could- no matter the consequences. Because it's an injustice effectively.
So- that seems like a reasonable and just thing to ask: Is the world just? Is it fair to bring a sentient being here and assume they will (either or both): Have a fair life? Have reasonable health and constitution to cope with their life? The answer is obviously: It's extremely random. We can't accurately predict what good or harm will befall a person so obviously- we shouldn't enforce an idea that they need to stay- no matter what. And that a bid for freedom is some deliberate slight on society. It really isn't primarily I would say. Most of the time, I think it's simply an escape with unfortunate consequences.
Where my feelings differ though is if it's a parent. In which case, they have chosen to bring life here- that's vulnerable and dependent on them. That's such a massive responsibility to take on and I don't think those duties should be abandoned lightly. I guess it does come down to individual circumstances ultimately but, I think the act of creating dependents here should have included an unwavering commitment to them. That comes from the experience of losing a parent myself though really. So, I do have a bias there.
Well it depends, do you have a small child that you need to care for the foreseeable future? Then it's not egoistical but you are setting up that child for a life of pain. If not everything is in order, you don't owe grown people your life, if they really really wish for you to continue living they ought to fix your situation I reckon, it's only a fair trade.
It sounds harsh but what should the suicidal person do? Unless they have someone who depends on them for their life and will enter an even greater depression and take their lives as a result of witnessing the suicide of the initial person, what do we really owe people? Where were these people anyways when we needed them? nowhere to be found I guess, at least not in the way that actually mattered.
Oh and these people should also spare me the heroics when they discover that someone they "loved" takes their lives, "I didn't know, how should I have known", I'm sure that out there somewhere, there are some cases where there was truly no information about it, but if you really look at it, if you didn't get up from your chair and start treating your seemingly down friend or family member like it was the last day on earth for them and literally play life for them until they feel better so they can pick up from where they "fell down", then you weren't there for them, you don't get to whine like a little bitch if they are gone, fuck you, I spit in these people's eyes, you don't get to order people who don't want to live anymore unless you are ready to take the whole burden for them AND I MEAN THE WHOLE FUCKING BURDEN.
Nothing wrong with your thought process, this planet is full of egoistical hypocrites.
It sounds harsh but what should the suicidal person do? Unless they have someone who depends on them for their life and will enter an even greater depression and take their lives as a result of witnessing the suicide of the initial person, what do we really owe people? Where were these people anyways when we needed them? nowhere to be found I guess, at least not in the way that actually mattered.
Oh and these people should also spare me the heroics when they discover that someone they "loved" takes their lives, "I didn't know, how should I have known", I'm sure that out there somewhere, there are some cases where there was truly no information about it, but if you really look at it, if you didn't get up from your chair and start treating your seemingly down friend or family member like it was the last day on earth for them and literally play life for them until they feel better so they can pick up from where they "fell down", then you weren't there for them, you don't get to whine like a little bitch if they are gone, fuck you, I spit in these people's eyes, you don't get to order people who don't want to live anymore unless you are ready to take the whole burden for them AND I MEAN THE WHOLE FUCKING BURDEN.
Nothing wrong with your thought process, this planet is full of egoistical hypocrites.
The Blackangel
Nyiach des uti nesi deh ahy.
- Nov 3, 2018
- 217
On one hand, yes it could be viewed as selfish. On the other hand, the pain is so deep that there's no other option presenting itself. It's not about what it may or may not do to others. It's about what it does for you. If you make the choice to CTB, it's your right to do so. We all have pain that we just can't handle after a while. That pain is too great for our psyche to bear. Which means that CTB is the only thing we have.
No its not. At the end of the day who is it that suffers you or the people around you? They might be angry at u after you commit suicide but the actual question they should ask themselves is: why didn't I just ask him, how are you? I love you if theres anything just say it I won't judge you i will listen and help you! But no after the person is dead , a corpse, the people feel "devastated" after they did literally nothing to prevent the suicide of this person while he was alive by just having a longer conversation. What would have cost them this one damn hour?! Nothing! And the person might have gotten a reason to live because of the love he received.
Personally I don't even think if I have those loved ones who will be hurt...if I do it no one is gonna be hurt may be a little discomfort/disruption in their schedules for the funeral procession..The said loved ones have contributed to my ideation so they won't be hurt.....
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