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noname223

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Aug 18, 2020
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I watched an Interview with a German intellectual Juli Zeh. She is a leftwinger. She supports the same party as me. Though she has some warm words for Trump. I completely disagree with her takes on Ukraine. I am more with Anne Applebaum. A hawk on Russia.

Juli Zeh was shown a clip of Applebaum demanding more military support for Ukraine. Exactly my position. Zeh said she would fully agree with her except if there Was one Thing. Russia has nukes. And if Russia got run over they would use nukes. She also suggested Trump was a fighter for peace. Lol.

My criticism: Russia not winning or even losing the Ukraine war would not be the same as getting run over. There were reports Russia considered to use nukes. And Chancellor Scholz and XI pressured Putin not to use it. I still doubt that Putin would have done it. It could have massively backfired and destabilize Russia. I think it is important for the West not to use a regime change tactic. This would be too dangerous. But I would take the risk the Putin regime crumbles if they lose the Ukraine war. There are no better alternatives. I think Russia occupying the East of Ukraine would lead to massive crimes against humanity. But it looks like this might Happen.

I also think it sets a dangerous precedent that borders in Europe can by changed by force. I think one needs to deter Russia. There is a massive militarization in Russia. The economy depends on it they will need an outer enemy. There might be a break but it won't last long.

Moreover, I think with the argument we risk a nuclear war if we Support Ukraine is stupid. If we accept that we are so easy to blackmail and manipulate. And so many fall for it. What if Russia invades Estonia for example Well they still have nuclear weapons. If we use the same logic Europe ends up a slave of Russia.

Do we gamble with World war 3 by supporting Ukraine? I think Putin does. If we show weakness this will increase his appetite. Deterence is very important for peace. But the same people who are against military support for Ukraine are also against increased spending in Europe's poor military. We need a peace through strength.
 
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Alek1=

Alek1=

Member
Apr 19, 2024
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I'm 100% sure he would use them if cornered by other countries. He's a maniac and psycho, if he loses then everyone has to. (I still think we should fuck him up tho)
 
cemeteryismyhome

cemeteryismyhome

Arcanist
Mar 15, 2025
473
No. But I think he would if cornered, or, if he thought he could get away with limited use without retaliation, to score political points.
 
Higurashi415

Higurashi415

Student
Aug 23, 2024
153
I would classify Putin's invasion of Ukraine largely unsuccessful and no I don't think he'd ever use nukes.
 
imashi_Celly

imashi_Celly

imashi
Mar 19, 2025
2
He justified the use of nuclear weapons, in the russian news; in cases:
1. The US and/or nato "attacks" russia.
2. US/nato gives long range missels to Ukraine.
 
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Require_love

Awkwardly social due to spicy grey matter
Apr 20, 2025
69
I'm 100% sure he would use them if cornered by other countries. He's a maniac and psycho, if he loses then everyone has to. (I still think we should fuck him up tho)
Oh no no no. You do not have that conversation about nuclear powers with 5000 warheads.
No. But I think he would if cornered, or, if he thought he could get away with limited use without retaliation, to score political points.
He could get away with a tactical nuke strike on Ukrainian bases. NATO wouldn't bother retaliation BUT it would set a very very dangerous precedent.
 
Adûnâi

Adûnâi

Little Russian in-cel
Apr 25, 2020
1,187
No because Russia is a moralitarian super power, it will refuse to kill its enemies even if it's on the verge of collapse. That's the way good Christians do it. Did the Americans genocide the Japanese? Philipino? Iraqis? Afghans? No. The same goes for Russia.

This war could have been over in 10 min by using 10% of Russia's deployed arsenal, but of course, a senseless human sacrifice is much better to the Abrahamic sensibilities.

Also, you wouldn't have had such crying of penis-havers in my country's cities. Hear them cry!
 
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Dejected 55

Experienced
May 7, 2025
278
I think generally speaking there are a lot of asshole leaders in the world, self-serving dictators or wanna-be dictators as the case may be. I don't think most of them are insane. Some are stupid, most are cruel and selfish... but the selfish part works almost as well as if they were actually kind and benevolent, because... if you "win" by annihilating your enemies, what do you have? You can't oppress a people that you obliterated?

Dictators kill a few random enemies now and then to try and keep the others in line... but you kill all your enemies, and perceive everyone as your enemy, then you run out of people to enslave and do your bidding... then you have to start doing stuff yourself! No dictator wants that. They want people who are scared they will nuke them, but they don't actually want to nuke them.

Then there's the fact that nuclear weapons make places uninhabitable. Not just that, but some of it drifts and can affect where you live too...

There are terrorists who don't care about anything... those are people I worry about getting hold of nuclear weapons. Those are the people who would do it. The leaders of nations, though? I don't think so.