Discussion Do you think life is a ''gift''? Why/ why not

[Lady black]

For some it´s a gift, for me it´s punishment cause everyday is not so good

 

[Meditation guide]

I believe in reincarnation and am afraid I will be dumped into this pandemic ridden world all over again. I have always had a vague memory of a previous life and have been able to confirm it as well. Yikes.
By confirm it, I mean I researched the name of the place I lived in a previous life, a very odd unusual name, and I knew where it was.... as far as that goes, I'm convinced.

 

[Jean Améry]

it's not having kids that makes it shit though is it? That's one of the things that makes it worthwhile

Anyone who has to rely on one's children to give their life meaning and substance (transforming it from 'shit' to rainbows and sunshine) is one sad human-being.

Your comment does highlight the rationale of procreation: it's obviously not for the child's sake (how could it?) but solely because the parents hope to gain from it. It's using another solely for one's own benefit which is immoral by Kant's categorical imperative:

"Act in such a way that you treat humanity, whether in your own person or in the person of any other, never merely as a means to an end, but always at the same time as an end."

Not to mention common-sense: you don't screw people over to get what you want. Anyone who thinks this life is good in and of itself should have their head examined. Even if it goes very well for the time being there's always the certainty of death (and the misery and fear this brings), both one's own and that of others one cares about, not to mention fortune can turn very quickly and one could easily find oneself into a dire situation from which one gladly escape even if it meant by death.

Ironically statistically it's not even true that having children augments one's quality of life: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...on-childfree-couples-are-happier-couples-kids. Having kids is actually detrimental to one's happiness.

Which isn't even surprising as it basically means a huge financial burden, near infinite worry and a second job caring for them on top of the one you already have just to put food on the table.

Purely from an egotistical perspective about the only instance in which it could potentially be worthwhile is if you're rich and can hire a nanny to do the dirty work (literally: diapers, cleaning up barf...) for you.

I'm not anti-children, far from it. I love my nephews and godson but I would never in a million years produce a child of my own. For both moral and egotistical reasons.

 

[Meditation guide]

. I know we are supposed to think of life as a gift but try being in non stop pain and disabled and helpless.

 

[Mr.Mediocre]

Life is only a gift depending on the circumstances under which you are born into.

 

[giles corey]

"life is a gift" is simply humanity aggrandizing itself. squirrels don't walk around feeling grateful to be alive. they exist, and attempt to survive. we aren't special. the idea of life being precious or inherently valuable is probably why so many of us on this forum feel as if we're being held hostage by existence.

 

[Meditation guide]

I haven't had that "life is good" feeling in at least seven years or more. I used to feel that way when I went swimming on a sunny day but that won't happen again. In face nothing enjoyable will ever happen again for me. Not going to a movie, not taking a walk, not swimming, not socializing, not the pleasure of cooking or gardening, not the pleasure of taking a hot bath, nothing at all is available to me that is enjoyable. It's non stop laying in bed in pain unable to move. That's it, that's my future.

 

[readytogo982]

No. Gifts often come with a receipt so you can return it if you don't like it.

 

[Meditation guide]

I hope my next incarnation is in Belgium where there is no questions asked if you want physician assistence in dying, for any reason.

 

[illbeinthegarage]

if life is a gift then i want to send it back

 

[Quinlor]

No, the concept of "gift" assume that you was "created" by a god or something, bullshit! We are a little part a huge ecosystem of earth if you dying nothing will change in this nature balance.

 

[Misery99]

Life is more like a curse than a gift for me..

 

[On Edge]

This is complicated to answer. Id say yes and no. Depends on many things. It also depends how you define life.

 

[kinzokukae]

it's socially acceptable to return gifts and be unhappy with them. is it generally accepted to kill yourself because you don't like your life?

 

[esse_est_percipi]

It's not a gift from god, but a poisoned chalice from the devil.

 

[Wisdom3_1-9]

I've said this before, but I'll say it again. I believe the phrase "life is a gift" was coined by the elite and powerful in order to keep those who suffer content with their pitiful lives. Don't worry about the suffering. Endure it. Life is a gift! Keep laboring so that we may continue to gain wealth at your expense!

 

[Ramirez]

Worst gift ever. Major kick in the balls is what it is.

 

[Ghost2211]

Only people with good life say life is a gift, and they're usually saying it to people with a bad life to make themself feel better.

 

[Shiv15]

(some hidden spiritual truths I have obtained, these is the Truth) Life is NOT a gift. You decided to reincarnate in this world. It was your decision. Though that memory inaccessible to you because of this veil we wear. You will merge with your true self (soul) once you die.

But let me warn you, suicide will not lead you to a good place. You will have to reincarnate again as a compensation for suicide. Though my struggles are too severe and I do not mind another reincarnation.

But yes that's the "truth".

Most people here give you there opinion but I am stating the facts, though i could understand it may not seem credible to most.

We were not created by God. It was your decision and God has nothing to do with this though God exists. Every being (angel, demon, god, spirits) you have ever heard of exists. So you could try your hand at praying. But do not pray to "The God" but rather pray to some specific angels. Though the angels are generally cunts, They will probably help you in return for offerings. It may be food, alcohol, sweets, Pizza, anything really (try not to have meat or alcohol in offerings since some beings don't like it).

 

[BitterlyAlive]

I think it depends on a lot of things. It seems like if you're resilient and can find meaning in your suffering, life is a gift. If you're lucky enough to be born into a good family (although what family isn't dysfunctional anymore), life is a gift. Etc etc

For me personally? No. Even if I was to recover, my life wouldn't be a gift. I resent the fact that I survived past childbirth when I should have died.

Okay I put two more seconds of thought into this and want to add... Like so many others here, I think life is a curse. This world is horrible. Things are always getting worse.

Life is just a gift for the incredibly fortunate.

 

[Meditation guide]

. Though the angels are generally cunts, They will probably help you in return for offerings. It may be food, alcohol, sweets, Pizza, anything really (try not to have meat or alcohol in offerings since some beings don't like it).

Can't these "cunts" get their own? How are they going to help anyone if they can't even get their own pizza?

 

[esse_est_percipi]

Every being (angel, demon, god, spirits) you have ever heard of exists. So you could try your hand at praying. But do not pray to "The God" but rather pray to some specific angels. Though the angels are generally cunts, They will probably help you in return for offerings. It may be food, alcohol, sweets, Pizza, anything really (try not to have meat or alcohol in offerings since some beings don't like it).

Is this some kind of a joke? where are we supposed to leave these offerings?
If the cunt angels are immaterial and therefore have no metabolism, how will food benefit them?

You decided to reincarnate in this world. It was your decision. Though that memory inaccessible to you because of this veil we wear. You will merge with your true self (soul) once you die.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but how can 'you' have decided to reincarnate in the world if 'you' didn't exist before 'you' were born?
What is it that made the decision to be born?
Are you talking about a soul?

 

[Blueman]

Life's a gift if you have your health(mental and physical), don't get abused, and make the right decisions.
Otherwise it's not

 

[Shiv15]

Is this some kind of a joke? where are we supposed to leave these offerings?
If the cunt angels are immaterial and therefore have no metabolism, how will food benefit them?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but how can 'you' have decided to reincarnate in the world if 'you' didn't exist before 'you' were born?
What is it that made the decision to be born?
Are you talking about a soul?

You seem so fucking arrogant. You have a designated place where u can leave the being offerings.
Beings do not physically come and eat the offerings. They take out the energy from the offerings which leaves the food items rotten or heavily decomposed. .

I'm not saying you're wrong, but how can 'you' have decided to reincarnate in the world if 'you' didn't exist before 'you' were born?
What is it that made the decision to be born?
Are you talking about a soul?

Your soul has decided to reincarnate.

Ask questions to learn not to criticize. You could decide that my set of beliefs does not melt with your own but you have no right to be toxic.

Can't these "cunts" get their own? How are they going to help anyone if they can't even get their own pizza?

They do not have physical bodies therefore there is no need to consume food. Food is energy, it's a token of appreciation for there services. They enjoy receiving gifts from us. You could even give them a small statue or draw something for them. Or write the being a poem. Write a book about them. It is also an offering which shows them your appreciation.

Do not mock me.

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You two do not seem the kind to sit down and grasp what has been told. You mock what you do not understand. There is nothing wrong with not understanding or believing in certain ideas or themes. There are many things which I do not know that you may know better. But it doesn't mean you should take such a tone in your speech. Having an open ear and being humble helps not only in the short term but also the long term.

Not saying that you should believe what I am saying but ask questions to learn not to mock. And if you do not want to learn (that i obviously assume you don't looking at your tone) then don't say anything. There is always a chance you maybe wrong. Isn't there?

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, but i do not like my believes to be made fun of. It is not something I take lightly.

 

[Painless_end]

Only for those who are physically and mentally strong with no illness and born into a loving family with wealth to last till they die from old age.

I mean it can also be a gift for many others as I have seen. But you need to mentally robust to overcome any challenge that life throws at you then you're good.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

Unwanted "gift".

 

[Superdeterminist]

Life is a gift. But, not all gifts are welcome ones. We have the right to refuse a gift, when we know that we won't appreciate it.

 

[OnlyTheWind]

In German gift means poison.

 

[Amumu]

Life is purely neutral. It is neither a gift, nor a burden from a general point of view.
From an individual point of view, it can be a gift or a burden.

 

[Spitfire]

But let me warn you, suicide will not lead you to a good place. You will have to reincarnate again as a compensation for suicide.
But yes that's the "truth".

Firstly, I was trying to hit the quote tab and accidentally hit the 'like' tab instead. I do not really 'like' your post. I am indifferent to it and have no particular interest or concern to it like that...

This is contradictory.

I know I did not include your entire post, but you said;

You decided to reincarnation in this world it was your decision. . .

And then you say, you will "have to" reincarnate again to compensate for your suicide...

Those two statements are contradictory no matter which way, or how you slice it.

Therefore, this what you said trying to warn others about their suicide.. it does not hold any weight as being a "truth"

I was wanting to point out the fallacious statements as I see them, to be based on a mistaken belief.

There is nothing to be scared of here by what was said through your words...