Discussion Do you consider suicide a method/means or goal? Why?

[Neroidism]

I consider suicide a possible means to achieve some form of peace or happiness (though, I obviously don't know what happens after death, so I don't know if death will really bring me any of those two).

What interests me is how you can ask this very same question to others, and the answer can vary in such interesting ways. Some may say that their current state is worse than what death can offer, so suicide can help them achieve a state that is at least better. Others might say suicide is the ultimate end goal. I think it would be interesting to see other views on this.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I see suicide as an escape. A cruelty of life prevention method. It's more of a means to an end to my mind. (Literally- The End.) A goal would imply it was something I actively wanted. It isn't. I'm dreading it to be honest but it's very likely it will end up looking the more desirable option as opposed to struggling through more life.

I see it as a forced choice in a way. Many of us simply can't live the life we would want. Which really ought to have been clear to our parents from the start, unless they were blissfully happy and knew they could provide the same opportunities to their children.

NSFW warning!... It's a bit like that mountaineer who got his arm trapped between a rock. He either stays there, suffers and dies or, he cuts his arm off to escape. Neither options must have seemed all that appealing at the time! Of course, it was his desire to live that made him choose greater pain in the short-term. We probably want to avoid prolongued suffering in the long-term so, we also opt for short-term pain in the hopes of escape.

Personally, I doubt I'll experience the benefit of being dead. I'm hoping for nothing after this. I wonder if I'll experience peace on some of the run up though. Like when you resign from a really stressful job. That's an incredible feeling.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Yes, I consider suicide to be one and only goal... or at least I did before I realised that I can't access a suicide method and therefore I'm trapped in existence until natural death. However, if I could access a suicide method and it was guaranteed to work, that would be my one and only goal. I personally don't see death as a bad thing or as a lesser evil compared to life because it isn't evil at all. I personally have the Epicurean view of death that death isn't bad for the person who dies though I go one step ahead of that and conclude that an earlier death is better than a later death for me.

I'm anti suffering to the highest degree and the only way for me to suffer as little as possible is to die as early as possible. I consider a successful suicide attempt to be suffering prevention and thus self care for me. I see death as just permanent non existence and thus permanent non suffering. A lot of people, even on here, seem to be unable to comprehend permanent non existence but I understand it perfectly and it sounds so beautiful to me.

I believe that the only way I can be at peace is via death. Just to clarify, I'm saying this metaphorically as I know there will be no me after death thus I can't feel peace but what I'm actually referring to is that I consider the scenario itself to be peaceful, not me. There's scenario A where I'm alive and perpetually suffering. There's then scenario B where I'm dead and no longer suffering. I may not be there in scenario B but that doesn't change the fact that scenario B itself is real and I consider that to be peaceful relative to scenario A. Sure, if life never existed, I can't technically feel peace but, since life does exist, I consider the absence of life to be peaceful in comparison to if I were to exist (which I do now unfortunately).

There's nothing in life that I care about other than being dead. I don't feel happiness from anything, not even the small things. I have not once cared about anything in life. I never had any other goals or interests. Usually, people have some sort of goal in life (other than being dead) that is related to work, education, relationships or some other specific life goal but I never had a goal like that. I have always wanted to be dead though it's only recently where I tried to find a way to kill myself and coming to the unfortunate conclusion that I'm trapped in existence.

I think it's difficult for people to comprehend what it's like to have never had a goal or interest in life other than to be dead. For me, suicide is a preferred choice rather than a last resort as I don't want life at all. It was imposed on me and I want to undo the imposition

 

[banger12]

Kinda both?

It's a means to ending an awful existence but presently it is a goal because I need to save money for my method.

Also procurement of said method also is difficult and I haven't figured out how to work out the practical problems of that yet.

 

[NoPoint2Life]

I guess goal? Since I've never had any goals in life, I'm not sure what it feels like to actually have one!

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Suicide is definitely a method for me to do the only good deed I ever possibly could do by wiping myself out and preventing further destruction by my hand.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I see life as hell, a horrible nightmare. So non-existence forever is the annihilation of hell forever. Never any chance of unbearable pain, extreme suffering , extreme torture, real life nightmares, diseases , getting old 1000 more horrible things in this evil life will be annihilated forever.,

to me non-existence is the best thing by a trillion times . non-existence is the ultimate bliss.

while alive i'm under threat of unbearable pain. while not existing i can't suffer any pain. just that alone shows non-existence is better than living.

so to me my suicide is my only rational goal. My suicide will get me to Death / non-existence forever . non-existence will make me instantly and forever safe from anything really horrible happening to me

my suicide will solve all my problems instantly and forever. never any chance of suffering, problems , pain , bad memories nothing bad ever again. I get out from under the threat of extreme torture.

I don't see an objective reason for why i have to want to live another minute .

Then i have to work 15 hours a day a job chores etc just to exist under threat of extreme torture. who would sign up for that? i wouldn't . i wish i never were born.

plus they made life into a worse prison . they made all guaranteed suicide methods into crimes. who would voluntarily want to live as a prisoner slave with no way out?

I don't know i guess other people think they are immune from all the horrible things that can happen?

It doesn't matter to me if another bag of 30 trillion cells wants to live . what does that have to do with me or my problems? nothing. nothing matters anyway except me avoiding pain , suffering problems and my suicide asap.

we all will die anyway. the universe is also expanding into nothingness. nothing matters . but i don't want to suffer extreme torture so to me avoiding pain matters avoiding suffering matters to me and so my suicide asap is my only rational goal , non-existence forever

life to me : imagine the worst nightmare the worst hell you can fall into. multiply that by a trillion times worse. it's worse than that. so non-existence is the annihilation of that hell forever. non-existence forever never existing again is the ultimate bliss . the annihilation of something extremely horrible (life) is something extremely good = non-existence . after Death is non-existence forever.

non-existence forever

 

[FuneralCry]

I personally just see suicide as the way for me to escape from and prevent unnecessary suffering, it's the way for me to find peace as I believe death to be nothing more than an dreamless, eternal sleep free from all pain and suffering, no matter what only non-existence could ever be desirable to me. I'd never wish to suffer in this existence, I'd always prefer to not exist than prolong all the suffering this existence causes just to be tortured by old age, I see human existence as the most cruel, futile burden with no limit as to how much agony one can feel, existence just feels like a mistake to me, I wish I could just die in peace and finally forget about it all.

 

[Roadrunner]

Kind of both for me. I'm going to die someday anyway, so why go through all this sad, depressing existence waiting for the inevitable.

 

[dqngerous]

i guess i see it as a goal for means of escapism

 

[SomewhatLoved]

I see as a method with the goal being dying.

Honestly I would rather be killed by someone else than have to commit suicide. My preferred method is firearms anyway. Being shot by someone would be the best in my opinion as it would be instant and there would be virtually 0 SI, not even that of swallowing N.

 

[identity0]

Death is inevitable. Suicide is one way that it can happen. Death is not really a goal since there's no way that it doesn't happen, it's just a matter of timing. Maybe I don't even see it as a means or a method, It's just one way that the story can go. I dont take actions, things just happen to me, causally linked by what happened in the past, even if it seems it is done by my own hands

 

[the deadly wizard]

Death is my goal. I want to die more than anything else. I don't want a better life, I want no life at all.

 

[render]

suicide is the goal cause i cant see myself dying any other way. might as well do it myself instead of sitting around waiting for a disease or an accident to do me in

 

[endofline2010]

I don't consider it either. It doesn't matter much in the grand scheme of things when we die because we are all going to die. So suicide is not about the choice to die. Suicide gives us a choice of when we die.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

A special way to die may be the goal for an extreme masochist and being dead is in this case only a sideeffect. For the broad majority it is the other way round.