Do you believe "silly" reasons for CTB are justified?

[C8THEGR8]

For example, I've always been a depressed mess of a person, and things have only gotten worse this year, but I would happily go on as a nonfunctional alcoholic if my cat wasn't dying. But he is, so I'm looking to CTB right after he goes. Most people would say that's pretty silly.

Adding: I also have this weird wish that once I'm dead, someone can crack open my brain and figure out why I'm like this, and use it to fix other people, which I know is even sillier.

If you're on here, you probably aren't going to say it's always silly to CTB. Do you believe those kinds of "silly" reasons are still justified?

 

[Celerity]

For example, I've always been a depressed mess of a person, and things have only gotten worse this year, but I would happily go on as a nonfunctional alcoholic if my cat wasn't dying. But he is, so I'm looking to CTB right after he goes. Most people would say that's pretty silly.

If you're on here, you probably aren't going to say it's always silly to CTB. Do you believe those kinds of "silly" reasons are still justified?

I think each person's life is their own. You can CTB whenever for whatever reason. It's not on you to justify it.

 

[Eire1992]

Silly is a matter of circumstances unique to each person. Nobody knows what's going on in another person's head. Would I CTB if my cat died? No, but does that invalidate it as a reason for you? Also no. We all have our limits and it often is something another would call "silly" that pushes us over the edge. If something happens that's the straw that breaks the camel's back, it doesn't matter what it is (imo), all that matters is that it was just one thing too many.

 

[persimmontea]

Its nobodys place or right to determine whether or not someone's reasoning to CTB is "silly" or not worth it. I often catch myself thinking suicidal thoughts over dumb things and feel bad for it, as ridding yourself of pro-life thinking patterns is a lengthy process.

If something happens that's the straw that breaks the camel's back, it doesn't matter what it is (imo), all that matters is that it was just one thing too many.

This exactly. I'm so tired of seeing pro-lifers inciting moral panic over "not seeing the signs" when a loved one takes their life, and often use it to segue into arguing that their suicide wasn't worth it or it was stupid.

 

[Sans]

I don't think there is a such thing as a "silly" reason to CTB. If someone's in enough distress that death is the only way out, no matter the cause of that distress, that is valid.

 

[goat]

There are no silly reasons.
It's your life, your own and nobody else's.
You don't need to justify and you don't even need a reason.

 

[Rayzieka]

Even though other people might view another reason as silly it doesn't mean it's not justified.
We don't have a way of truly measuring or telling what another person is going through to the point of telling them what they can and can't do to themselves. I think the lines can be blurred though, like for example- I wouldn't want to ctb while I'm having a psychotic episode even if it feels like a valid reason at the time. But getting too deep into it I feel like we would lose what little freedom we have left. So for me I believe it should be entirely up to who you are at that moment unless you've tried to put down support systems to prevent you from doing so.

It's frustrating sometimes for me to not go against this when it comes to people I care about feeling like they have no options left when I've tried to help. But I still can't call it silly or unjustified. I have no way of feeling what they feel and its not my life.

 

[Superdeterminist]

I don't think there are any silly reasons. One should be able to exit this reality at any moment of their choosing, for any reason whatsoever. There is hardly a more important right, imo. To force another to live because one deems their reason(s) "silly" is effectively slavery. There are some fools who like to push their idea that there's an 'obligation to live' onto others. They need to keep that nonsense to themselves.

 

[Makko]

This isn't a court. You don't have to justify anything. Do whatever you want. No one can stop you.

 

[the_final_countdown]

I think a lot of suicidal people are trying to convince themselves to die because they don't want to suffer anymore.

They're looking for something to justify, to give them enough of a kick to end it all, because frankly they just don't like it here, it's exhausting, and they've had enough.

There was a lawyer who had multiple sclerosis . It took a lot out of her. But she persevered and built a pretty decent life.

One day the disease progressed to the point where she couldn't read anymore. Not blind, but she couldn't interpret the words on a page. And so she killed herself. Because she absolutely loved reading.

And some people might see that as silly, but it was her breaking point.

Of course, suicide is so god damn painful for everybody involved. All the hurt it causes. It's so much pain.

But I understand where she's coming from. I don't recommend anybody kill themselves or not kill themselves. I'm not here urging people to do it or not do it.

But I understand what it feels like to reach your breaking point. To wake up one day, "I've had enough."

 

[Insomniac]

For example, I've always been a depressed mess of a person, and things have only gotten worse this year, but I would happily go on as a nonfunctional alcoholic if my cat wasn't dying. But he is, so I'm looking to CTB right after he goes. Most people would say that's pretty silly.

Adding: I also have this weird wish that once I'm dead, someone can crack open my brain and figure out why I'm like this, and use it to fix other people, which I know is even sillier.

If you're on here, you probably aren't going to say it's always silly to CTB. Do you believe those kinds of "silly" reasons are still justified?

Your cat dying is certainly not a silly reason to feel suicidal OP <3

 

[Pookie]

It depends on your personality, the environment you grew up in, your life experiences etc.

Some people are so sensitive that they'll ctb over losing their goldfish. Although it's rare that someone will ctb over that alone. It's usually a series of events that led up to considering suicide and the death of the goldfish was the final push.

And no, to ctb over losing your cat isn't silly. Reasons for suicide isn't a competition.

 

[motel rooms]

The real reason someone kills themselves is always the ton of hay piled up on their back, not the tiny last straw...

 

[WornOutLife]

I think that some things might be silly for some people but quite serious for others.

For instance, I've been told that I'm way too lucky to have the life I have. (a nice family, except for my schizophrenic mother, cool dog, no poverty, almost "average" according to the goddamn society's beauty standards if you ignore my overweight, a profession, etc)

However, that's not enough for me.
My reasons to ctb are beyond that. I just find existence pointless. Why is there something rather than nothing? Why live in first place if we're just gonna die? I just don't get it...

Anyway, I'll get the hell outta this world before my 40s.

To sum up, if something is serious for you, I think it's not silly but, you should try to find if there's a solution to cope with your problems and maybe you'll change your mind about ctb!! It's up to you!!

Hugs and love,

Matt

 

[FuneralCry]

There is no silly reasons. We all have our limits, we are all individuals, there is only so much we can take and depending on the person, that limit is different.

 

[Weary Soul]

I think @hotelbeneathground has a very good point.

Many times in my life I have stayed alived (or postponed killing myself) solely because of my love for my pets. They have given me more unconditional love (or just plain old love for that matter) and support than I ever received in life. And it isn't the loss of the pet per se (which IS devestating), it is actually the final straw in a lifetime of pain (at least it is like that for me - can't speak for others).

I also do not think it is a weird or silly wish to have someone study your brain to help others. I think that is an incredible gift to others.

I have had a number of brain injuries, and I too plan to donate my brain in the hopes that that they can find the microscopic changes (the ones that cannot be seen using current imaging techniques - CT scan, etc), so that maybe, just maybe, no one else ever has to go through what I have. My only hesitation is that I fear that the methods used to ctb may preclude drawing any meaningful conclusions from the study of my brain.

 

[checkouttime]

Each person reacts to each individual situation/circumstance differently. So what might be pain and suffering for one, may not be for another. As you can never know TRULY how another person feels, you should never judge that person on how the deal wit h a situation, we all act differently.

 

[Seiba]

Suicide is self justifying in the sense that people who leave are the authority on why regardless of someone else's opinion on the matter. Now, on something being a silly reason or not I think it would depend on the suicidal person's opinion, if they themselves see it as silly then it can be argued for it to not be in their best interest and to perhaps think more on it or simply trying to see things differently.

 

[Anonymous_A]

They'll say it's silly, when you mention your reasoning.

But when your actually ded, they'll mention how serious such reason is.

 

[logan]

That is a very personal question.
What seems to be an easy task for one person may be unsolvable for another.

But there are enough experiences of how things can develop for the better over time.
Therefore, one should take enough time to perhaps find a solution.

 

[boc]

I agree with the sentiments expressed above. There is no 'silly' reason if that reason makes sense to you. As well, there's a lot piling up on top of us, so that one 'silly' reason is likely the breaking point on top of every other reason. One caution I would express when we have those moments that are breaking points is to slow down and make sure that it's what you want. If it's because your cat died, give yourself a week or two to process before making a final decision.

 

[deepinlimbo]

What constitutes a 'silly' reason? Depends what the reason is doesn't it? I mean everyone and even on here would probably agree if I committed suicide because I ran out of milk in the fridge. (Just using a stupid example) then yes that's pretty silly and it wouldn't be justified.

The thing is this thread could get very philosophical and my example was very basic just to give a clear cut and simplistic answer. But because what I deem to be a silly reason may not to be to someone else.

It also comes down to the rational and irrational reasons too the "silly" reason too. We really have to know what the "silly" reason is.

The real reason someone kills themselves is always the ton of hay piled up on their back, not the tiny last straw...

But do you think that last bit of straw is what tips someone over the edge? It's like now when I get angry and upset over stuff I never used to because I already feel so overwhelmed, those little events just feel like a spark setting off the fuel dump.

but yes I think once so much is piled on top it's kind of the end really.

 

[Neowise]

I personally think there are a few reasons I'd consider silly. But I realize it isn't silly to the people suffering from the reasons, so I accept their desicion to commit suicide and don't ridicule it or anything. It is still a serious matter.

Example to explain my thinking:
If I saw a 14 year old boy about to jump off a bridge solely for the reason that his first girlfriend dumped him (let's assume the rest of his life is perfect and he never had depression before) I'd try to talk to him and maybe change his mind non-forcefully (keep in mind that I am still pro-choice) because I think that is a reason that is not worth to ctb for. But if it still is his wish to die afterwards and he is 100% certain I wouldn't stop him because I accept that he is very hurt and to him it is the end of the world.

In the end, all of our reasons and motivations probably seem silly in the eyes of somebody else.
Lyrics from Eminem - Beautiful:

In my shoes, just to see
What it's like, to be me
I'll be you, let's trade shoes
Just to see what I'd be like to
Feel your pain, you feel mine
Go inside each other's minds
Just to see what we find
Look at shit through each other's eyes.

 

[return2dreamland]

i don't believe any reason is silly. if anything makes anyone want to ctb, this person's reasoning should not be taken lightly. this is death we're talking about.

 

[boc]

i don't believe any reason is silly. if anything makes anyone want to ctb, this person's reasoning should not be taken lightly. this is death we're talking about.

I agree. What ever the reason, it is important and painful to them.