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Zegers
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- Dec 15, 2021
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Do you believe in romantic love or do you think it's all about appearances and so on?
Men : will love a woman as long as he find her attractive and feel that he is needed and cared for her.
Women : will only love a man that she believes is the best she can have.
Thats my definition of romantic love.
It's definitely a thing. I certainly feel it, just not for a lot of people.Do you believe in romantic love or do you think it's all about appearances and so on?
To be honest I think there is some truth to this.Men : will love a woman as long as he find her attractive and feel that he is needed and cared for her.
Women : will only love a man that she believes is the best she can have.
Thats my definition of romantic love.
With tinder it did something different. Historically women have overlooked the appearance of a guy for his other traits. Tinder and other apps made it all about appearance and vanity. Other traits ceased to become important. Culturally it had already begun to shift. Women have in a sense taken on a far more masculine role and essentially became men themselves. Men have began to become far more feminized. What's occurred now is when all that matters is vanity to extent. Take this article . My favorite part of it is the author spending the time to ostracize and critique a group of individuals for really no reason at all then to make themselves feel better. I know why I haven't had luck with the fairer sex. 1) Too busy didn't go out was study my ass off to get into or in medical school/working/ etc... 2) Poor social skills 3) Didn't try/didn't find most girls around me attractive or worth my time. 4) Not looking for a one night stand... The interesting part of the article is the author indirectly states that there is a group of guys that gets a significant amount of messages.... Average looking guys which isn't particularly surprising given that's what psychology has told us for years. Women's definition of attractive is just different. The point being is this. Tinder made it so women have a significantly more narrow definition of who they want and.... Like the article says if they don't get it they don't care they'll live by themselves and be their own husband. Why? Because society has decided to devalue men significantly. It's just a fact. In other words it isn't more options necessarily but a restriction in the people they are choosing. Ultimately, time will tell but I would expect when this generation especially women are in their 40s or 50s we will see the greatest rise in depression we have ever seen. Because they will find themselves very very alone. And at that point after decades of words and actions devaluing men with nothing to give in return in the way of having kids... Combined with coping strategies and general lack of care I am not sure they will ever find love and will likely die alone. See here not sure why medium is my source du jour but 45% of women will be single in 2030. Fascinating because it sort of seems like tinder expediated a general fracturing of society.hate the game not the players, they got way more options especially with emergence of tinder etc.
Men : will love a woman as long as he find her attractive and feel that he is needed and cared for her.
Women : will only love a man that she believes is the best she can have.
With tinder it did something different. Historically women have overlooked the appearance of a guy for his other traits. Tinder and other apps made it all about appearance and vanity. Other traits ceased to become important. Culturally it had already begun to shift. Women have in a sense taken on a far more masculine role and essentially became men themselves. Men have began to become far more feminized. What's occurred now is when all that matters is vanity to extent.
Tinder made it so women have a significantly more narrow definition of who they want and.... Like the article says if they don't get it they don't care they'll live by themselves and be their own husband. Why? Because society has decided to devalue men significantly.
Edit: I was very much unaware that the link would post an image of the article itself.... I just assumed it would be just clickable...
I mean Tinder also boats one of the worst ratios with places like Eharmony having more women then men. Tinder was the service in question. I just used the statistical data to draw inferences from. This data here fleshes it out further by saying women aren't looking https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/#:~:text=Among those who are married,to have met their partner. Family/Friends is the most common way well if that part of your life is rocky for whatever reason skip to two. Work 18% and School 17%. Removing school you are left with the next option of online e.g. dating apps at 12%.With the top 3 being situationally dependent online is actually arguably the most controllable way. In suburban or Urban areas it is actually 14%. Amongst those 18-29 21%. Meaning in the age demographic only Friends/Family and school are more common. Basically the only way for men to "put themselves out there" that they can control with the best chance is dating apps. Bars/Restaurants are 2% of couples 18-29. Now that that is settled let's move on.Yeah but also Tinder and other dating apps aren't the world, Most of Tinder users are male, not an equal balance of men or women.
I don't know what you're going on about in women becoming men because my horny brain is still attracted to modern women? Am I not supposed to be attracted to a woman who can deal with her own shit? Why can men only like A and women like B? We're all human and also so varied, there's no real point into arguing of what a person from a gender should want. Both men and women are fundamentally human. We still both have our emotions and backstories and quirks and preferences.
Also, what's with men becoming more feminized? Is the fact that I like being the little spoon sometimes problematic? Or that I have long hair or have cats? Like... I'm happy as to who I am and can attract people like that. I can't punch a man, or lift heavy weights, I'm a programmer nerd. Nor would I mind dating a woman stronger than me.
Yeah I didn't say anything about one night stands or casual sex other than briefly stating not what *I* am into. This is actually likely a side effect of the above. The men that are having sex, with this generation having sex at all time low rates, they have a large amount of suitors. Why be tied down when I don't have to? You told me yourself it is easy. Is that good for you no. But men are dumb.I have female friends that talked about their experience on Tinder to me. From what they've said, matches are indeed easy, sex is easy, but finding a man worth their damn time is actually pretty hard. There are a lot more men who are just ignorant or selfish in bed than you'd think. They eventually gave up on the app beyond hookups.
At the same time, I guess men were devalued? Like, if a woman can live off her own, then she can be pretty selective of which men she deals with. Settling down is less of a concern now because women in the past needed to settle because they needed a man to do some basic stuff sometimes. In some places it was less than 50 years ago where women needed permission of their husband to do anything at all.
As a personal note, I also learned the same about women, that some just aren't for me. I also used to think of a "scarcity" mindset and that "any hole is a goal". Not really though. I was with a woman that was just weird for me, that belittled me for being a girl for cuddling the wrong way or had super weird opinions on things. I was just Netflix and chilling and even then I was discomfortable. We parted ways. I now realize that nah, I'm not for most women nor are most women for me, as pretty or attractive they might be on paper. There is much more to it.
I meant I didn't expect the picture....I didn't really click them, but rest assured, they are clickable :)
I think that 50% of people not mattering is kinda dramatic. I have no interest in the dating pool, or even in the lives of, most Indonesian people, for example. But that doesn't really mean that Indonesian people don't matter. They do, but not to me.This argument is used often but you yourself are making the inverse argument. Essentially saying yeah you are right men aren't needed. That's a pretty rough argument when you say 50% of people don't matter. Like you said sex can be satisfied easily. This is ignoring the companion component. The parts of relationship outside of sex, etc... Again like I said I think you are going to see women have significant amounts of depression when they turn 40/50 when they realize they can't have kids. That men probably aren't going to want them anymore because of that. By the way you want to know the biggest predicator of poverty in the world. Single motherhood. Greatest detriment to children lack of a two parent household. Turns out having parents together matters. In fact having a male father figure is extremely important like very. Basically what I am saying is Men matter and you should have a problem with how they are being seen, treated, etc...
This data here fleshes it out further by saying women aren't looking https://www.pewresearch.org/social-...ose who are married,to have met their partner. Family/Friends is the most common way well if that part of your life is rocky for whatever reason skip to two. Work 18% and School 17%. Removing school you are left with the next option of online e.g. dating apps at 12%.With the top 3 being situationally dependent online is actually arguably the most controllable way. In suburban or Urban areas it is actually 14%. Amongst those 18-29 21%. Meaning in the age demographic only Friends/Family and school are more common. Basically the only way for men to "put themselves out there" that they can control with the best chance is dating apps. Bars/Restaurants are 2% of couples 18-29. Now that that is settled let's move on.
I don't mean women are becoming literally men. I mean gender roles have switched. For instance amongst college students 60% are women and 40% are men. Almost inverted from the 1960s. Do I have a problem with women getting an education? Nope! Men are dropping the ball. Though to a moderate extent they are dropping the ball. I don't want to get into it unless absolutely necessary but statistically women are being pushed in that direction and men aren't. Men again are devalued.