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lilyeehaw

lilyeehaw

yeehaw?
Jun 30, 2019
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Im on an SSRI (Zoloft). They effect everyone differently.From my own experience its been a bit of a rollercoaster of up and down emotions. I still have major depresive episodes where the only thing i will want to do is CTB. Then i have times where i can look forward to the future.

What seems to stay the same is even if i was crying my eyes out. This is hard to explain, A way i can describe it is like being an onion, you cut the onion and you cry, yet theres still a happy feeling in the back of your mind atleast its easier to push away those tears and be happy. I guess i can feel a bit manic? Which is a good and bad thing cause I can feel suicidal and happy which yeah, isint a good combination. :pfff:
 
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SNRIs work better for me.
 
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Painted Bird

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I tried SSRIs years ago and they didn't help. I've heard/read many negative opinions from others too. Seems like what you can get from them is some temporary placebo effect at the best or get really messed up by the side effects at the worst.
 
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tomz323

Walking to the bus stop
Mar 29, 2019
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I'm on them now, feel weird. That could be all the weed though...
 
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IsadoraBeauxdraps

would like to follow that butterfly
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SSRI ruined my life. I'm in a protracted withdrawal syndrome since 4 years.
 
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jrums

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Apr 14, 2019
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SSRIs are why I'm here. Permanent sexual dysfunction and inability to feel emotion, insomnia, memory loss, etc. Whatever they did or didn't do for my OCD and anxiety wasn't worth this.
 
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Wayfaerer

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I think if you are told nothing and just blindly take it, that's equally your fault.

Well, I was 14 when I was put on Prozac so no, it's not.
 
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Antidepressants have helped me. I'm very emotional and suicidal off antidepressants.
 
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Doctor just prescribed latuda for me , as kind of thinking " outside the box" for depression, since saris do not agree with me. I have not taken it yet because I am afraid to. I always have bad experiences with medications.
Doctor just prescribed latuda for me , as kind of thinking " outside the box" for depression, since saris do not agree with me. I have not taken it yet because I am afraid to. I always have bad experiences with medications.
ssrs, not saris, lol
that's one of the nastiest drugs there is, doctors just prescribe them without even mentioning about side effects or the low effectiveness they have, and if they don't work the first time, they just prescribe you yet another ssri with a different name. rinse and repeat until your anxiety is fucked beyond repair.

i've been prescribed with them for over 10 years, i fucking hate them because i'm in the lucky 80% of people who only suffer from side effects. i've also read that your depressions after them are even worse, even if they worked at first and i can confirm that's how those meds made me feel.

they are part of the reason why i think psychiatry is a scam and sometimes borderline evil.
Agreed! And, what a lovely cat painting...
 
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Prozac worked for me before, I quit cold turkey after like 5 months.

About to start again.
 
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Its not a magic pill where you pop it and your life problems disappear. Lets say what drove you to depression in the first place was constant financial and relationship stress. If you don't fix those actual problems in real life and in a practical way, your depression will still come back to haunt you. Its a mood lifter. I've been on it a few times. It pumps more serotonin (chemical that makes you feel happy) into your brain. If anything, it just enhances your mood a little. The trick is to jump on this temporary window of opportunity, where you're in a slightly better mood, to hurry up and go fix your life problems before they get even worst, since when you're in a better mood, you're probably a bit more motivated to go deal with things. That is all. Just like putting a band-aid on a wound only. It doesn't heal the actual wound. The strategy is leveraging this medication. For example, lets say you decide to take it for 1 year. Then during this year, while you're in a better mood (caused by the pills boosting the chemicals), use it as an opportunity to fix your current problems. By the time its been a year, maybe your problems are now much more under control due to you having taken action, so life quality has naturally improved, and then you quit the medication, and try to maintain your life and issues like a regular person again, and finally be on top of things again like how it was before your depression. Of course its not perfect, but thats the logical way to approach it, if this is the path you decide to choose
 
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Its not a magic pill where you pop it and your life problems disappear. Lets say what drove you to depression in the first place was constant financial and relationship stress. If you don't fix those actual problems in real life and in a practical way, your depression will still come back to haunt you. Its a mood lifter. I've been on it a few times. It pumps more serotonin (chemical that makes you feel happy) into your brain. If anything, it just enhances your mood a little. The trick is to jump on this temporary window of opportunity, where you're in a slightly better mood, to hurry up and go fix your life problems before they get even worst, since when you're in a better mood, you're probably a bit more motivated to go deal with things. That is all. Just like putting a band-aid on a wound only. It doesn't heal the actual wound. The strategy is leveraging this medication. For example, lets say you decide to take it for 1 year. Then during this year, while you're in a better mood (caused by the pills boosting the chemicals), use it as an opportunity to fix your current problems. By the time its been a year, maybe your problems are now much more under control due to you having taken action, so life quality has naturally improved, and then you quit the medication, and try to maintain your life and issues like a regular person again, and finally be on top of things again like how it was before your depression. Of course its not perfect, but thats the logical way to approach it, if this is the path you decide to choose

Large scale unbiased studies show they can't outperform a placebo and for many cause severe dependency and withdrawael and lot's of side effects. If someone feels that SSRI's are the only alternative to suicide then I'm all for it, but in general the newest research show that SSRI's are just not safe and effective as they are marketed.
 
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Large scale unbiased studies show they can't outperform a placebo and for many cause severe dependency and withdrawael and lot's of side effects. If someone feels that SSRI's are the only alternative to suicide then I'm all for it, but in general the newest research show that SSRI's are just not safe and effective as they are marketed.

Yeah, there are side effects. And I heard taking medications long-term will also effect your liver (or kidney. I always get mixed up between the 2). Thats why I suggest to have a plan when taking it. Don't just rely on it forever, escape reality, and hoping things will magically work out
 
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RememberWhatUCameFor

dont cry for me im already dead
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Scientists have been debating the efficacy of antidepressants for decades. The latest paper to throw its hat into the ring concludes that there is little evidence to show that they perform better than placebos.
In 2017, around 17.3 million adults in the United States experienced an episode of major depression.

Alongside talking therapies such as psychotherapy, many people with depression take antidepressants.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), a 2011–2014 survey found that 12.7% of U.S. individuals aged 12 or above had taken antidepressant medication in the previous month.

That equates to almost 1 in 8 people.

Of these individuals, one-quarter had been taking antidepressants for at least 10 years.

Although many people use these drugs, there is still a great deal of controversy surrounding how well they work — and studies have generated conflicting results.

Why the doubt?

To a greater or lesser degree, all the factors below and more have combined to produce a situation where scientists are still not clear whether antidepressants work better than a placebo:

Pharmaceutical companies are keen to market the drugs they have spent years designing and testing.
Doctors want to provide medication to those with a reduced quality of life.
Patients are keen to try anything that might improve their well-being.
Journals are more likely to publish studies with positive findings.
The latest analysis to form part of this ongoing battle comes from scientists at the Nordic Cochrane Centre in Denmark. This time, the authors conclude that the current level of evidence in support of antidepressants is not sufficient to prove that they work better than placebo.

The review, which now appears in BMJ Open, is a response to a paper by Dr. Andrea Cipriani and team that The Lancet published in February 2018. In the paper, Dr. Cipriani and team compared the performance of 21 antidepressants.

They set out to "compare and rank antidepressants for the acute treatment of adults with unipolar major depressive disorder," as a guide for doctors.

Their analysis was the largest of its kind; it included 522 trials and 116,477 participants. The researchers concluded that, among other things, "[a]ll antidepressants were more efficacious than placebo in adults with major depressive disorder."

For many, these findings were definitive proof that antidepressants work.

However, "[t]he review received widespread media coverage, largely citing it as finally putting to rest any doubts regarding the efficacy of antidepressants," explain the authors of the latest BMJ Open paper.

Reopening the data

Led by Dr. Klaus Monkholm, the authors of the new publication believe that the earlier work by Dr. Cipriani did not address certain biases in the data. Dr. Monkholm and others initially penned a critique in The Lancet in September 2018.

In it, the authors outline a number of issues. For instance, in an ideal study, participants are "blinded." This means that they do not know whether they are receiving the drug or the placebo.

However, because antidepressants have well-known side effects, it is very difficult to conduct studies wherein participants are adequately blinded; in other words, participants are likely to know that they are in the experimental group rather than the placebo group.

Dr. Monkholm and his team believe that Dr. Cipriani did not adequately account for this.

Because so many people use antidepressants, the scientists decided to go beyond the critique. They set out to repeat Dr. Cipriani's analysis, but this time, they would account for the biases they believe the team missed the first time.

The authors explain that they "aimed to provide a more comprehensive assessment."

New look at a recent analysis of an old query

Dr. Monkholm and his team unearthed a range of concerns in the original Lancet analysis. Below, we have outlined just a few.

Firstly, in the original paper, Dr. Cipriani and his team reported that they followed the protocol set out in the Cochrane Handbook for Systematic Reviews of Interventions — the gold standard approach to these types of analysis.

However, Dr. Monkholm points out occasions where their work deviated from these guidelines.

The new BMJ Open paper also explains how Dr. Cipriani's work did not adequately address publication bias. The authors write:

"Publication bias of antidepressant trials is pervasive and distorts the evidence base. Many industry funded antidepressant trials remain unpublished or are inadequately reported."
They continue, "Cipriani et al. included 436 published and 86 unpublished studies, but as many as a thousand antidepressant studies may have been conducted."

The debate will go on

Overall, Dr. Monkholm argues that the studies involved in the meta-analysis had short durations and were therefore not necessarily applicable to people who take antidepressants for years.

Also, effect sizes were relatively small, and although statistically significant, they may not be clinically significant.

The authors also note that in the groups that took antidepressants, there were relatively high drop out rates in many of the studies. According to the authors, this suggests "that the benefits of antidepressants may not outweigh the harms."

Alongside flaws in the analysis, the authors also claim that "their results were nontransparently presented." This meant that it was not possible to work out how some of the analyses were conducted.

"Taken together, the evidence does not support definitive conclusions regarding the efficacy of antidepressants for depression in adults, including whether they are more efficacious than placebo for depression."
Although the authors do not claim that antidepressants do not work, they conclude that the evidence is still not strong enough. They call for larger, longer, more rigorous studies. A question as crucial as this is likely to receive ongoing attention.



do i get this right? people risking permanent side effects because of a drug which efficiency beyond placebo effect hasnt been proven yet?
 
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Jean Améry

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Scientists have been debating the efficacy of antidepressants for decades. The latest paper to throw its hat into the ring concludes that there is little evidence to show that they perform better than placebos.

One doesn't even have to read those studies to come to the conclusion it's all a hoax. Knowing the facts and using some common sense is enough.

a) so many people are diagnosed with major depression

b) so called antidepressants are supposed to combat said major depression and are doled out like candy

c) yet the problem of depression is still widespread

What is the logical conclusion here? If that stuff was actually effective the problem would be solved by now. If you had depression you'd just go to a doctor, get a prescription, go to the pharmacist, pop those pills and sito presto you'd be cured. Sadly this is not how it works in reality.
 
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RememberWhatUCameFor

dont cry for me im already dead
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One doesn't even have to read those studies to come to the conclusion it's all a hoax. Knowing the facts and using some common sense is enough.

a) so many people are diagnosed with major depression

b) so called antidepressants are supposed to combat said major depression and are doled out like candy

c) yet the problem of depression is still widespread

What is the logical conclusion here? If that stuff was actually effective the problem would be solved by now. If you had depression you'd just go to a doctor, get a prescription, go to the pharmacist, pop those pills and sito presto you'd be cured. Sadly this is not how it works in reality.

maybe there are various reasons for a depression. maybe online a small minority of cases is caused by lack of seretonin while the rest is caused by something different we dont know yet.

i dont know. its still fucked up that ssri are only slightly better working then placebos (if even).
 
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I've also read that your depressions after them are even worse, even if they worked at first and i can confirm that's how those meds made me feel.

I can relate to this one. It just keeps getting worse and worse.
 
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Fragile

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Jul 7, 2019
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I can relate to this one. It just keeps getting worse and worse.
i didn't know it at the time, but after some years i realized that mi first suicide attempt was probably triggered by side effects from SSRIs

really fucked up that doctors and psychiatrist prescribe them like they were candies, specially since some studies say that they are just as effective as a placebo.
 
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Pentobartbital

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Feb 25, 2019
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Sugar pills would be more effective.

When something like a psychotropic drug changes the architecture of your brain, there's no telling what shall ensue once you're weaned off them.

For I it was as if my very soul were scraped out like a pearl from a mollusk. Naught but an empty shell to be thrown onto a midden.
 
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Mental illness really is a misnomer and convenient marketing term born out of misrepresenting the research on serotonin then aggressively marketed to you in a bastardised form the original researchers don't approve of. All moved into the public conscious by cartoon depression coats, banding around sciency phrases. Showing equally sciencey footage of neurons firing. Talking about chemical imbalances and serotonin. Like it is a correlated fact and easy as pulling a coat off to be cured, just pop this pill. Not much different to Granola being healthy while having similar sugar content to a pop tart. But those fields of oats touched up by Adobe, really sell it.

The ICD-10 refers to them as mental behaviours and disorders for a reason. Because they don't fit the clinical definition of disease as there is no way to measure as yet. All you are left with is the self-report of the individual. Stating something is wrong that is upsetting the balance in their life. Hence disorder not a disease. Currently, there is no blood test or way to measure biologically at all with any relevance. There are some interesting ghosts of patterns but much of that is in its infancy. Recently what we thought was known about memory in general has been turned on its head completely. Emotion itself is pretty abstract in of itself.

The current view is it likely a big mix of things and understanding of the brain and body is still ongoing. As mental disorder is a broad umbrella term to begin with. It does not have to be an all or nothing binary prospect. Between it is all environmental or all biological. The hereditary angle suggests one thing. If it is purely environmental down to trauma why is there a hereditary aspect at all? But if it is only Biological, why is one risk factor of depression listed as losing your job? I don't know of any understood disease models that have job loss as a risk factor?

Also if you ask some people why they are depressed. They can give you a solid reason for what their source of pain is.
But similarly you can ask another and they won't identify anything just what they feel. Their source of pain then is the depression itself disrupting what they had before.

That is why I am open to it being both. The transition to better understanding dementia is good example why. Much of it came down to advances in imaging technology. Still lack complete understanding but it is paving the way for a preventative.

I feel the environmental factor though is very much downplayed and being medicated seems to be the first response regardless if your reasons are blatantly environmental ones of being vilified for existing. If it wasn't society would have to examine its role in the toxic environment it has normalised. It is interesting to note that many of these drugs are derivatives of street drugs, chemically nudged and patented. Many still have street value, so that says enough to me why they 'work'. Discontinuation syndrome is just sanitised words meaning withdrawal. If you do heroin and feel good, that is not proof you have a lack of heroin imbalance.

Often your tax is involved in research funding. Yet you still wind up paying over the odds. It is all so bizarre. But we are consumer cattle and the law has enshrined legal lying. lobbying itself often plays out no differently to bribery.

I am not a gambling man but if I could go back in time and be as informed as I am now. My first response would likely have been to try other avenues first and not rolled the dice straight away. I have pointed those other avenues out before but just got hostile responses. There was not a recovery section back then. So maybe I will try again.
 
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your pathologist

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I am not a gambling man but if I could go back in time and be as informed as I am now. My first response would likely have been to try other avenues first and not rolled the dice straight away. I have pointed those other avenues out before but just got hostile responses. There was not a recovery section back then. So maybe I will try again.

In complete agreeance
If i could only convince my younger self not to breakdown in front of a doctor with no idea what prescription medication was going to do to me

The recovery section is quite an edition and something i was publically ridiculed for suggesting 8 months ago
 
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If i could only convince my younger self not to breakdown in front of a doctor with no idea what prescription medication was going to do to me
I went trough the same thing, unfortunately.
That kind of little mistake with huge consequences. And when you turn back and see all that happened after, you say « if only ». But it's too late :ehh:
 
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Nem

Nem

Drs suck mega ass!
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Bottom line, all meds are guaranteed to help out the company making them. The consumer..not so much. Drs are freakin retards, are they so freakin naive that they think these bullshit synthetic chemicals can fix people without damaging some other part of our bodies?!
All meds are a scam, sorry but I've researched this to death and the way these drugs get tested would blow your mind. Be careful, once damage settles in you might be hooped, if they're helping you that's great to hear but I was nearly killed by these piece of crap meds and it's the sole reason I'm on here and I'm not alone.

Peace/hugs
 
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Bottom line, all meds are guaranteed to help out the company making them. The consumer..not so much. Drs are freakin retards, are they so freakin naive that they think these bullshit synthetic chemicals can fix people without damaging some other part of our bodies?!
All meds are a scam, sorry but I've researched this to death and the way these drugs get tested would blow your mind. Be careful, once damage settles in you might be hooped, if they're helping you that's great to hear but I was nearly killed by these piece of crap meds and it's the sole reason I'm on here and I'm not alone.

Peace/hugs
Definitely not alone nem
How dare people hand them out without understanding what they are requiring people to lose touch with
 
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In my experience it didn't work in the way that I hoped it would, It mostly just made me care less about things. The most noticeable side effect was a complete loss of sex drive, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. I know that I stopped taking them because I didn't like them, but it's very difficult to remember exactly what it was about the way they made me feel that I didn't like. I didn't reduce my dose at all, I just stopped suddenly and had a very strange few days so I don't recommend doing that.

In the end I didn't suffer any serious side effects from trying them, but I always wonder whether they altered my thinking permanently because I probably wouldn't have noticed if they did. If you're thinking of trying SSRIs then you should consider that the most prominent warning on the label suggests that you might become more likely to kill yourself after taking them, and as convenient as that may sound, it also means that they might alter your thinking in a negative way and increase the chances that you'll make irrational decisions.

The drug that helped me the most was definitely Psilocybin, and it's effects felt like the opposite of the mind-numbing effects of SSRIs.
 
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your pathologist

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If you're thinking of trying SSRIs then you should consider that the most prominent warning on the label suggests that you might become more likely to kill yourself after taking them, and as convenient as that may sound, it also means that they might alter your thinking in a negative way and increase the chances that you'll make irrational decisions.

I never thought of this that way but i am beginning to understand the effects these medicines have made on my cognitive as well as motor based thought processes.

Watch them realize all the harm they've done by messing with brain chemistry
 
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Mynameisnotimportant

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Prozac did jack shit for me. Cymbalta basically cured my depression
 
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Mailooo

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Sep 4, 2019
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UNE Center for Global Humanities and its founding director, Anouar Majid, host Joanna Moncrieff on "The Myth of the Chemical Cure: The Politics of Psychiatric Drug Treatment."

Being in touch with some psychiatry at university, I can just support the notion that there is no scientific basis for the so called treatment of the so called disease depression.



Addendum:

The notorious classic one:




One important citation here: "You do deny that people suffer..."

NO.

Suffering is not mental illness. Suffering is a vital, unpreventable part of each life.
 
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