Disillusioned with politics

[okyeah]

I don't expect everyone to agree, it was incredibly difficult for me to even take all this in when I first started to put the pieces together. My first introduction to painful truths was from Stefan Molyneux on YouTube. I needed to know what went wrong for me in my life at least the external factors. I needed to understand why it seemed as if there were problems in society that were not being fixed and what was the root cause. I wanted to know why some things seemed backwards in our society lol!

i think the internet will be the cause of the great collapse. also don't watch stefan molyneaux, he has to pander to his alt right nutjobs to pay his bills.

 

[Chinaski]

Yes, just a wee little "out there"

He used to genuinely present sports coverage on the UK until he went on a popular primetime chat show and announced he was the actual Messiah. To his credit, he'd still beat Hillary in any election.

 

[RainAndSadness]

@Final Escape I missed that post. Interesting theory. Uhm... Let me put it like this: I'm a feminist and I can assure you, nothing of that 'feminist' agenda you've described is true. I know it's hard to believe but feminists as a collective actually fight for equality, that's the whole spook behind us. I bet you probably don't even know feminists who are pushing for this 'agenda' but then again, some people wouldn't have any meaning in their life if they couldn't yell at a made up monster, right?

This or I'm not a member of this super secret mega elite anti-white, anti-men feminist club everyone was talking about back in the days. Damn. I knew something was going on.

 

[gingerplum]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke

I swear to god if you don't have an actual reason to kill yourself, reading the Wiki on this lunatic will make you suicidal. For fucks sake wtf...

Had to look him up, too. So, basically the UK's answer to Alex Jones.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...monthly-bum-steer-awards-2019-alex-jones/amp/

 

[Johnnythefox]

He used to genuinely present sports coverage on the UK until he went on a popular primetime chat show and announced he was the actual Messiah. To his credit, he'd still beat Hillary in any election.

I think I'd rather have him in charge than Rees Mogg or any of his ilk.

 

[Chinaski]

Had to look him up, too. So, basically the UK's answer to Alex Jones.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.te...monthly-bum-steer-awards-2019-alex-jones/amp/

Not quite Alex Jones. Alex Jones could never present the snooker in such a cosy and BBC friendly way, or play as a goalkeeper for Hereford United prior to laying a legitimate claim to the godhead whilst wearing a shellsuit and then touring the world with a PowerPoint presentation illustrating how British minor royals are paedophilic lizards who feed on human blood.

 

[ReadyasEver]

Interesting dilemma we have. We can convert to totally environmentally friendly energy and 100% renewalable resources within 10 years. First we have to decrease the world population by 65%.

 

[NumbItAll]

Interesting dilemma we have. We can convert to totally environmentally energy and 100% renewalable resources within 10 years. First we have to decrease the world population by 65%.

I would like to do my part by offing myself. You're welcome!

 

[okyeah]

"The white Liberal differs from the white Conservative only in one way; the Liberal is more deceitful, more hypocritical, than the Conservative. Both want power, but the White Liberal is the one who has perfected the art of posing as the Negro's friend and benefactor and by winning the friendship and support of the Negro, the White Liberal is able to use the Negro as a pawn or a weapon in this political football game, that is constantly raging, between the White Liberals and the White Conservatives. The American Negro is nothing, but a political football."

-Malcolm X

What do you guys think about this quote?

 

[okyeah]

"The white conservatives aren't friends of the Negro either, but they at least don't try to hide it. They are like wolves; they show their teeth in a snarl that keeps the Negro always aware of where he stands with them. But the white liberals are foxes, who also show their teeth to the Negro but pretend that they are smiling. The white liberals are more dangerous than the conservatives; they lure the Negro, and as the Negro runs from the growling wolf, he flees into the open jaws of the "smiling" fox. One is the wolf, the other is a fox. No matter what, they'll both eat you."

Another one by malcolm x.

 

[Chinaski]

What do you guys think about this quote?

I think you've misunderstood it and are misappropriating it to illustrate something personal to you, perhaps you should clarify your take on this post to make sure we're on the same page here.

 

[okyeah]

I think you've misunderstood it and are misappropriating it to illustrate something personal to you, perhaps you should clarify your take on this post to make sure we're on the same page here.

what did i misunderstand about it? what is my agenda exactly? I just posted 2 quotes and asked for ur thoughts on them.

 

[Smilla]

Which post by whom?

The Malcom X quote I think.

 

[okyeah]

Which post by whom?

i think he's referring to the 2 malcolm X quotes i posted.

 

[Chinaski]

what did i misunderstand about it? what is my agenda exactly? I just posted 2 quotes and asked for ur thoughts on them.

Because you've previously stated that you find left politics to be essentially ridiculous and dismiss leftist arguments about political power structure which you see as essentially okay apart from the fact that you, personally, are not one of the powerful and influential.

The quote you've lifted, which is legitimately critical of the cynical and deceitful nature of both right wing and ostensibly liberal centrist parties, is not an uncommon theme yet you've specifically chosen one from a pro-socialist civil rights leader who l suspect does not share many of your socio political views.

Fwiw in isolation l agree with the theme of the quote. I can't speak in a civil rights context but the general theme is one shared by many on the left. A sound UK example would be that Thatcher was a piece of shit, but you knew exactly where you stood with her at all times; Blair, on the other hand, like Trudeau and Macron elsewhere, hide in sheep's clothing. Tony Benn's quote about weathervanes versus signposts is equally apt.

 

[okyeah]

Malcom X was not a good person. The cause was just...but he was not. And his singular view is in my opinion neither accurate or fair. You can cherry pick comments, incidents, whatever to make some "point" or try to fuel argument. It changes nothing of the relative righteousness of an ideology. If you support an ideology that oppresses innocents or denies rights to others based on race, gender etc you cannot claim to be a good person...and despite the above quotes one side of the spectrum is for equality and one is not. Words all day long won't change that your actions show who you truly are.

he was an interesting person and, in my opinion, fairly wise. he literally got assassinated by the people he came up with (nation of islam) because he couldn't tolerate the hypocrisy of his mentor. I think questioning his character is not a great argument.

 

[Misanthrope]

Wow this thread is hilarious. Who needs the comedy channel when there is gold right here!

I don't think we should teach people the truth, I think instead we should teach people the tools to arrive at being able to determine the truth based on the best presenting evidence. We need critical thinking and logical fallacies taught as standard. As a means to throw off all the agendas that exploit ignorance, fear, and being uninformed for their own self interest. So the generation set to inherit a wasteland look at the flaws inherent in baseless tribalism and hopefully move beyond them. Produce a better way. Tackle problems with a rational mindset. Dismantle political systems into something more predicated on logic and access to system that would result in a more representative style of democracy. Instead we just do the same shit over and over again regardless of which tribe is currently wearing the crown. Learning nothing and destroying more of the planet and human dignity along the way. It won't happen sadly, I think as a species we are probably terminally stupid in our behaviors.

I am going back to shooting magical arrows from a conjured bow made of light at dragons that have been brought back from the dead, as it seems like a world more grounded in logic than this one.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I don't think we should teach people the truth, I think instead we should teach people the tools to arrive at being able to determine the truth based on the best presenting evidence. We need critical thinking and logical fallacies taught as standard.

100% agree.

 

[okyeah]

Because you've previously stated that you find left politics to be essentially ridiculous and dismiss leftist arguments about political power structure which you see as essentially okay apart from the fact that you, personally, are not one of the powerful and influential.

The quote you've lifted, which is legitimately critical of the cynical and deceitful nature of both right wing and ostensibly liberal centrist parties, is not an uncommon theme yet you've specifically chosen one from a pro-socialist civil rights leader who l suspect does not share many of your socio political views.

Fwiw in isolation l agree with the theme of the quote. I can't speak in a civil rights context but the general theme is one shared by many on the left. A sound UK example would be that Thatcher was a piece of shit, but you knew exactly where you stood with her at all times; Blair, on the other hand, like Trudeau and Macron elsewhere, hide in sheep's clothing. Tony Benn's quote about weathervanes versus signposts is equally apt.

I am disillusioned with politics (the title of the thread). I think it's one big coping mechanism for the disenfranchised people of this world.

 

[okyeah]

100% agree.

people don't want to hear the truth or critical thinking.

 

[okyeah]

the real issue with this world is that the poor and disenfranchised bend over and take it willingly.

 

[Chinaski]

the real issue with this world is that the poor and disenfranchised bend over and take it willingly.

Wait.

* Politics is bad and pointless.

* Politics is a coping mechanism, nothing more.

* The poor and disenfranchised don't fight back.

You do realise that these are contrary views, right? If the poor and disenfranchised did fight back, that would literally BE a political act. The word "politics" doesn't begin and end with wealthy old white guys in suits pitching for a vote every few years.

 

[okyeah]

Wait.

* Politics is bad and pointless.

* Politics is a coping mechanism, nothing more.

* The poor and disenfranchised don't fight back.

You do realise that these are contrary views, right? If the poor and disenfranchised did fight back, that would literally BE a political act. The word "politics" doesn't begin and end with wealthy old white guys in suits pitching for a vote every few years.

you took it too literally. modern day politics and slacktivism. Also the lack of thinking outside the box. People "fight back" in the "correct" way and nothing gets done.

 

[Chinaski]

slacktivism.

I'm convinced that 100% of people who use this word have never done anything even vaguely political in their lives beyond griping about their own personal misfortune to online strangers.

 

[okyeah]

I'm convinced that 100% of people who use this word have never done anything even vaguely political in their lives beyond griping about their own personal misfortune to online strangers.

lol rude

 

[MexicanTravels]

Feminism, birth control, abortion got pushed in previously majority white countries to reduce the breeding of whites especially. White people invented civilization and tend to have high iq's. This is a threat to the powers that be because whites have the ability to overthrow and compete with the ruling class. This is a way to get our numbers down and destroy the nuclear and extended family which is also a threat to state power. If you disincentive marriage, people become more vulnerable, especially kids. They got women to go into paid labor which then makes it harder to have kids because you now have to quit your job unless u are ok with not being around much to raise your kids. They wanted to separate kids from mothers to ruin the mother child bond and so the state has more influence on your kid than u do. This is just some of the reasons they have blurred gender roles and pushed feminism. It reduces birth rates especially for whites. The political class no longer need the ability of white people because they have amassed all the wealth and power they need. They want us to interbreed with the third world, and primarily want lower iq groups to rule over, because they won't be able to rise up against tyranny.

"White people" invented "Western Civilization" which comes with its own set of problems. IQ is also a faulty way to gauge the world. The Pirahã tribe in Brazil haven't developed counting beyond the number 2 and have no sense of time, but they are among the happiest people in the world and are rarely violent. Wouldn't happiness be a better way to measure the well-being of a group of people?

On another note, it's true that Ashkenazi Jews perform the best on IQ tests, but this article shows that IQ is not a black and white subject:
http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

Hopefully someone of your IQ level can sift through this information, but I'm brown so who's to say?

 

[Final Escape]

"White people" invented "Western Civilization" which comes with its own set of problems. IQ is also a faulty way to gauge the world. The Pirahã tribe in Brazil haven't developed counting beyond the number 2 and have no sense of time, but they are among the happiest people in the world and are rarely violent. Wouldn't happiness be a better way to measure the well-being of a group of people?

On another note, it's true that Ashkenazi Jews perform the best on IQ tests, but this article shows that IQ is not a black and white subject:
http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

Hopefully someone of your IQ level can sift through this information, but I'm brown so who's to say?

Im sorry and didn't mean to imply that other ethnic groups are somehow less valuable or don't deserve to have good lives etc. I just don't like the idea of forced multiculturalism and destroying anybody's culture. The globalists push multiculturalism but it doesn't work well because of ingroup preferences for ones own heritage and destroys social cohesion and community. There's significant differences between groups and cultures that is important to consider. Without the welfare state, immigration to white countries might not be as big of a deal because then the other cultures actually have to integrate and assimilate to the values of the country they move into, instead of changing the country into the third world countries they leave to come to the white countries. Well formerly white majority countries. In Germany the government took in a lot of Muslim migrants, and because the cultures are incompatible white women and children are getting raped by the migrants. They are wanting Islam to take over as the dominant religion, which is a very barbaric violent culture. The German people didn't ask for this, it was forced on them because of the government's plan to essentially destabilize the country. I'm well aware that there is good and bad in all racial groups and you have to look at people as individuals, but governments don't allow just the good members of a group in when they allow large masses of people in without any discernment as to wether these people will endanger the lives of the existing culture let alone contribute economically.

 

[okyeah]

Im sorry and didn't mean to imply that other ethnic groups are somehow less valuable or don't deserve to have good lives etc. I just don't like the idea of forced multiculturalism and destroying anybody's culture. The globalists push multiculturalism but it doesn't work well because of ingroup preferences for ones own heritage and destroys social cohesion and community. There's significant differences between groups and cultures that is important to consider. Without the welfare state immigration to white countries might not be as big of a deal because then the other cultures actually have to integrate and assimilate to the values of the country they move into, instead changing the country into the third world countries they leave to come to the white countries. Well formerly white majority countries.

haha brutal. but i believe it is true (unfortunately). Everyone naturally segregates by race and culture.

 

[gingerplum]

Im sorry and didn't mean to imply that other ethnic groups are somehow less valuable or don't deserve to have good lives etc. I just don't like the idea of forced multiculturalism and destroying anybody's culture. The globalists push multiculturalism but it doesn't work well because of ingroup preferences for ones own heritage and destroys social cohesion and community. There's significant differences between groups and cultures that is important to consider. Without the welfare state immigration to white countries might not be as big of a deal because then the other cultures actually have to integrate and assimilate to the values of the country they move into, instead changing the country into the third world countries they leave to come to the white countries. Well formerly white majority countries.

 

[LiveSlowDieFast]

The takes that are being delivered in this thread are so nuclear I think I got cancer now