Death in a "gas chamber" case

[faust]

Hello, this case is now widely discussed in Russian part of the internet.
I thought it might be useful to upload the video here.

 

[Elbarado]

Hello, this case is now widely discussed in Russian part of the internet.
I thought it might be useful to upload the video here.

well done...
poor children, wife and the dead ones themselves.
Why didnt they invite me.

why are all people so "succesful" altough they dont plan? And here we are discussing and so on.

I know its macabre and i really feel sorry for them all, but they tricked SI

 

[faust]

well done...
poor children, wife and the dead ones themselves.
Why didnt they invite me.

why are all people so "succesful" altough they dont plan? And here we are discussing and so on.

I know its macabre and i really feel sorry for them all, but they tricked SI

If we managed to get a medical report of this, though it would be more clear. I know one developed pulmonary edema and died. It is interesting because technically CO2 is relatively safe. In such concentrations person faints in 10-30 seconds (2-3 inhales are enough). So one more method in collection. Not too peaceful, but really fast and reliable

 

[Biggie]

This whole incident just highlights the toxicity of social media. All of that was just to flex online and put on a front that fuels their frankly egoistical lives, and it resulted in an utter tragedy of people that wanted to live and had their whole lives in front of them being killed.

How they managed to acquire that much dry ice without being vetted for usage or warned about the dangers is beyond me.

I don't feel any sorrow or sympathy for the adults responsible, they have ruined the lives of those poor children and many friends and family around them.

Do you think she will face manslaughter or gross negligence charges?

 

[faust]

This whole incident just highlights the toxicity of social media. All of that was just to flex online and put on a front that fuels their frankly egoistical lives, and it resulted in an utter tragedy of people that wanted to live and had their whole lives in front of them being killed.

How they managed to acquire that much dry ice without being vetted for usage or warned about the dangers is beyond me.

I don't feel any sorrow or sympathy for the adults responsible, they have ruined the lives of those poor children and many friends and family around them.

Do you think she will face manslaughter or gross negligence charges?

She is a pharmacist-blogger, I think she had connections to get such an amount. Plus it is a shame she did not know the products of such a reaction, she had millions of views. I think she will be convicted of a triple murder and being an ignorant pharmacist is not an excuse...
Edit: but it is obv she did not kill intentionally, so punishment won't be that hard.
From news:
" Meanwhile, in media appeared screenshots of the correspondence of the deceased and the company. It turned out that the seller of dry ice warned him about the dangers of the substance, said kp.ru. The portal spoke with a representative of a company that sold dry ice to a 32-year-old man.

The site's interlocutor said that Valentin Didenko contacted the company on February 25, that is, three days before the tragedy. When ordering, he noted that he would like to buy so much dry ice so that it would be enough to keep a fog effect over the pool for 10-15 minutes. "

 

[Biggie]

She is a pharmacist-blogger, I think she had connections to get such an amount. Plus it is a shame she did not know the products of such a reaction, she had millions of views. I think she will be convicted of a triple murder and being an ignorant pharmacist is not an excuse...
Edit: but it is obv she did not kill intentionally, so punishment won't be that hard.

Very good points my friend.
It's for sure going to be hard for her to live with herself after with the guilt of her actions and ignorance, so for that I hope she finds peace because I wouldn't wish mental health illnesses upon anyone - we all know how hard they are to live with.

 

[Alec]

I have about shit tone of questions honestly.... but why when in the end of the video they started talking about Russian government looking into what happened they showed a photo of Big Ben? That's in London U.K. I don't understand

If we managed to get a medical report of this, though it would be more clear. I know one developed pulmonary edema and died. It is interesting because technically CO2 is relatively safe. In such concentrations person faints in 10-30 seconds (2-3 inhales are enough). So one more method in collection. Not too peaceful, but really fast and reliable

Why is not not too peaceful if it's 10-30 seconds to loose conciseness?

 

[faust]

I have about shit tone of questions honestly.... but why when in the end of the video they started talking about Russian government looking into what happened they showed a photo of Big Ben? That's in London U.K. I don't understand

Sorry, the rest of the world does not show anything, only found this. You can take a look at this video and enable english subtitles.

 

[Biggie]

Sorry, the rest of the world does not show anything, only found this. You can take a look at this video and enable english subtitles.

This video is far more disturbing but informative then the first on this thread, but a good watch for awareness.
What scares me is how these qualified medical professionals can be so stupid. He bought the dry ice many months ago and is reading from an instruction manual momenta before he pours it into the pool. I'm surprised the spa didn't say anything before they did this - they must have asked for permission to do it from a property and H&S perspective.

And the poor woman is still consoling in her Instagram following for professional help!

I think the video gives you more information on the theory behind the method and how it works at least Faust.

 

[faust]

@Alec You need to be sure the concentration is more than 30% to pass out in seconds, otherwise you may develop apnea being yet conscious which is not too peaceful.

This video is far more disturbing but informative then the first on this thread, but a good watch for awareness.
What scares me is how these qualified medical professionals can be so stupid. He bought the dry ice many months ago and is reading from an instruction manual momenta before he pours it into the pool. I'm surprised the spa didn't say anything before they did this - they must have asked for permission to do it from a property and H&S perspective.

And the poor woman is still consoling in her Instagram following for professional help!

I think the video gives you more information on the theory behind the method and how it works at least Faust.

H&S is something mythical in Russia. Many tower blocks collapse, fires destroy shopping centres, workers die on their workplaces, saunas are not even worth to mention.

 

[Alec]

Sorry, the rest of the world does not show anything, only found this. You can take a look at this video and enable english subtitles.

Thank you for finding and sharing this. Honestly after the shock of this, I finally started to think about it as a method and it sounds actually pretty good. But of course I would feel scared I don't do it right in some way and will cause myself apnea before dying I feel that would give me strong anxiety. But if works well it seems like a good method. Also did her husband get burns when he jumped into that pool? I'm not sure I understand also how come he survived long enough to be transferred to the hospital as it looked like he jumped into the pool first, while others two died there? Also, how come nobody else died? And I wanted to ask, do you speak Russian?

 

[faust]

Thank you for finding and sharing this. Honestly after the shock of this, I finally started to think about it as a method and it sounds actually pretty good. But of course I would feel scared I don't do it right in some way and will cause myself apnea before dying I feel that would give me strong anxiety. But if works well it seems like a good method. Also did her husband get burns when he jumped into that pool? I'm not sure I understand also how come he survived long enough to be transferred to the hospital as it looked like he jumped into the pool first, while others two died there? Also, how come nobody else died? And I wanted to ask, do you speak Russian?

Yes, I never considered this a method, but I did a bit of research after this case and learnt that a person can faint in just a few seconds. I think you have to do a research as well if you are interested in. In my opinion, there is no need to buy 10 buckets of dry ice, just enough 1 CO2 tank and a mask which is hermetic. Probably same as with inert gases. I guess he was just lucky not to die quickly, maybe he got respiratory arrest when the concentration of CO2 was not too high in his blood. Nobody else died probably because: 1) they did not jump in the pool 2) CO2 is a heavy gas, so it was near the surface, others had normal air to breath, O2 ascended. 3) the concentration of CO2 was not too high, only enough to develop some symptoms. And yes, I do speak Russian

 

[Alec]

Yes, I never considered this a method, but I did a bit of research after this case and learnt that a person can faint in just a few seconds. I think you have to do a research as well if you are interested in. In my opinion, there is no need to buy 10 buckets of dry ice, just enough 1 CO2 tank and a mask which is hermetic. Probably same as with inert gases. I guess he was just lucky not to die quickly, maybe he got respiratory arrest when the concentration of CO2 was not too high in his blood. Nobody else died probably because: 1) they did not jump in the pool 2) CO2 is a heavy gas, so it was near the surface, others had normal air to breath, O2 ascended. 3) the concentration of CO2 was not too high, only enough to develop some symptoms. And yes, I do speak Russian

I'm assuming you are Russian? I haven't meant people before that spoke Russian and weren't Russian. And honestly I am very surprised, because you are literally the very first Russian or Russian speaking person that I like. I've never met a Russian person that I liked before. Nothing racist, it's just that the ones I've met well...something tells me you know what I'm talking about. If you live in Russia and would like to move to another country but can't I'm really sorry, I know of the horrors of living in a country you want to get out of. Not to mention something tells me Russia is not exactly kind to mental illnesses and problems or has a help program set up or anything like that, probably have a heavy stigma around it among the people. Sorry if it looks like I'm attacking your country...if you like that country I'm very happy for you!;) but honestly I really like you as a person from all your posts, I've always read your comments when I see them in threats, I always like your avi, I feel like maybe you are an animal lover and I think I remember you posted before that you love animals more than humans or something along those lines, honestly I just like you, you are not like the image of Russians that I have in my head from my experiences.

also, yes I thought the same, it's not necessary to have so much dry ice, just some of it put it in a bicker attach a hose with a mask that will lead the fumes from the bucket to my face and I'm good to go.Or maybe even just some of it in a bathtub and then simply lowering your head towards the fumes and breathing in while ones passes out and then make sure head falls somewhere close to the fumes but not into the water to get burns Incase I survive I don't want to have burns on my face or anywhere on the body really. But honestly I wouldn't know where to buy it to begin with. My method is SN and I've got everything I need for it so for now I'm not gonna plan anything else for now but it seems like a good backup plan or something, maybe I'll research this just to see if I could get it and how I would go about doing it to calm myself knowing I have a backup plan just in case that seems rather peaceful with luck and if done right.

 

[faust]

I'm assuming you are Russian? I haven't meant people before that spoke Russian and weren't Russian. And honestly I am very surprised, because you are literally the very first Russian or Russian speaking person that I like. I've never met a Russian person that I liked before. Nothing racist, it's just that the ones I've met well...something tells me you know what I'm talking about. If you live in Russia and would like to move to another country but can't I'm really sorry, I know of the horrors of living in a country you want to get out of. Not to mention something tells me Russia is not exactly kind to mental illnesses and problems or has a help program set up or anything like that, probably have a heavy stigma around it among the people. Sorry if it looks like I'm attacking your country...if you like that country I'm very happy for you!;) but honestly I really like you as a person from all your posts, I've always read your comments when I see them in threats, I always like your avi, I feel like maybe you are an animal lover and I think I remember you posted before that you love animals more than humans or something along those lines, honestly I just like you, you are not like the image of Russians that I have in my head from my experiences.

also, yes I thought the same, it's not necessary to have so much dry ice, just some of it put it in a bicker attach a hose with a mask that will lead the fumes from the bucket to my face and I'm good to go.Or maybe even just some of it in a bathtub and then simply lowering your head towards the fumes and breathing in while ones passes out and then make sure head falls somewhere close to the fumes but not into the water to get burns Incase I survive I don't want to have burns on my face or anywhere on the body really. But honestly I wouldn't know where to buy it to begin with. My method is SN and I've got everything I need for it so for now I'm not gonna plan anything else for now but it seems like a good backup plan or something, maybe I'll research this just to see if I could get it and how I would go about doing it to calm myself knowing I have a backup plan just in case that seems rather peaceful with luck and if done right.❤

It's grand. I am Russian but was born in another country and currently live in Ireland. I am strictly against Russian government and all the absurd happening there. I am not against Russians, but think that people there should be more kind to each other. It is a very toxic environment which is not for a person who feels free in his/her actions and decisions. Poverty makes them live this way. And hope after I CTB there will be one day when instead of praise the murderers in authorities will stand trial in place like the Hague with the full disclosure of personality cult (sorry for politics). I like animals, not more than humans but in a certain sense their behavior is more peaceful. Let your opinion be yours, one person should not change the attitude towards the whole nation. And thank you for your kind words

Concerning methods, I don't know if it is a good idea to use a mask in combination with dry ice, because we don't know the concentration of CO2 which would be released during the reaction, I would use a single CO2 tank instead. The one 5lb tank for dispensing draft beer would be more than enough I suppose. At least we can be sure there is no oxygen.

 

[autumnal]

I have about shit tone of questions honestly.... but why when in the end of the video they started talking about Russian government looking into what happened they showed a photo of Big Ben? That's in London U.K. I don't understand
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Yeah I noticed that too LOL. Clearly someone selected the wrong stock photo!

Meanwhile in London...

 

[Istanbulite]

Hello, this case is now widely discussed in Russian part of the internet.
I thought it might be useful to upload the video here.

Wow. Looks peaceful